How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

Rough Sleeper

You're all falling victim to one of the longest running serial-reregging rusemasters on Boards.

G_R

efb wrote: »

too blatant, maybe John or Breda, one of the less clever ones

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I reckon it's David Quinn :pac:

Mod
I know ye're taking the piss, but you know the rule on speculating on someone's identity. Please don't.

Cheers.

galljga1

Jeez, you go to sleep for a couple of hours and come back to discover that the gheys are responsible for

20+ years of social destruction
"Illegitimate" children
Abortion
Divorce
Increased levels of gayism in children due to being born to women over 32
Probably the property crises
And fcuking SUICIDE.

Please think of the children.

titan18

galljga1 wrote: »

Jeez, you go to sleep for a couple of hours and come back to discover that the gheys are responsible for

20+ years of social destruction
"Illegitimate" children
Abortion
Divorce
Increased levels of gayism in children due to being born to women over 32
Probably the property crises
And fcuking SUICIDE.

Please think of the children.

I heard Hitler was gay, Stalin too.

xrp

titan18 wrote: »

I heard Hitler was gay, Stalin too.

I also heard Pope Benedict XVI wore a swastica.

floggg

xrp wrote: »

If NO passes, any lingering semantics will be well and truly severed. A HSE blessing is not marriage in the eyes of the church and if someone told me they were "married" in such a way I'd just smile at them and move on.

A HSE Blessing? Actual real legally binding marriage not real marriage.

Well I think that puts your views nicely into context.

Now if you don't minf, I have to get back to the real world.

shruikan2553

floggg wrote: »

A HSE Blessing? Actual real legally binding marriage not real marriage.

Well I think that puts your views nicely into context.

Now if you don't minf, I have to get back to the real world.

Which just make even less sense. There are people who moan about redefining marriage when they don't even think it's a marriage. Mind you they still take part in this pretend marriage during their "real" marriage. They already decide what is and isn't marriage themselves regardless of what the state say so how would this be redefining it?

Chrome342

I will vote for no.

galljga1

Chrome342 wrote: »

I will vote for no.

Who is no?

floggg

xrp wrote: »

Stigma isn't always bad and is beneficial from time to time in ordered, functioning societies. I'm quite open about the fact that I find the behaviour weird and freakish, though I would be very hesitant to use that particular word to a gay I knew for fear of further entrenching them in their wickedness. Removing stigma (e.g. allowing suicide victims to be buried in blinged-up graves) can actually be harmful and encourage others to pursue the same path of destruction.

Would you be interested in speaking for the no side on tv or radio? I honestly think you'd do a great job of representing their views.

galljga1

Originally Posted by xrp


If NO passes, any lingering semantics will be well and truly severed. A HSE blessing is not marriage in the eyes of the church and if someone told me they were "married" in such a way I'd just smile at them and move on.

floggg wrote: »

A HSE Blessing? Actual real legally binding marriage not real marriage.

Well I think that puts your views nicely into context.

Now if you don't minf, I have to get back to the real world.

It is actually the reverse. A church marriage is not a real marriage and has no legal standing in this country.

floggg

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Which just make even less sense. There are people who moan about redefining marriage when they don't even think it's a marriage. Mind you they still take part in this pretend marriage during their "real" marriage. They already decide what is and isn't marriage themselves regardless of what the state say so how would this be redefining it?

I think your mistake is coming at this expecting logical consistency. Nobody has time for logical consistency when they are gays out here being gay.

Sonics2k

xrp wrote: »

If NO voter = bigot is the extent of your critical faculties, then it gives me even more optimism. There are many non-religious folks who are honest with themselves who are voting NO and have arrived at this position using purely secular reasoning.

The Catholic Church is perfectly entitled to lobby for social change. Do you think trans-national corporations shouldn't use their power of influence too? It's just Catholics exercising their freedom you have a problem with, yeah?


Not only are you an expert on what Catholics believe, you also appear to be an expert on theology, history, philosophy and sociology. I suppose you know better than the Pope himself too?


If NO passes, any lingering semantics will be well and truly severed. A HSE blessing is not marriage in the eyes of the church and if someone told me they were "married" in such a way I'd just smile at them and move on.


You seem to be confused about a lot of things. Three statistics that are frightening is i) the number of illegitimate children ii) the increasing age of mothers and iii) the number of Irish women procuring abortions. That's "progress" according to you?

Fun little factoid for you.

A religious or church ceremony actual has no legal standing at all, and is not considered a marriage. Its actually just a big theatrical parade with flowers, robes and fabulous items of clothing, which is a tad ironic really when you think about it.

You see, Priests also happen to be Registrars of the State and are thus able to sign a document that confirms a legally binding marriage.

If you have a wedding and don't sign the documents, you are not married.

Your assertion or belief that the Church control marriage is immensely wrong, and I hope you know this.

IrishSkyBoxer

Voting no now, sick of having the yes side ram their opinion down my throat

Zubeneschamali

IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »

Voting no now, sick of having the yes side ram their opinion down my throat

What would you like rammed down your throat?

marienbad

IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »

Voting no now, sick of having the yes side ram their opinion down my throat

Strange reason to vote no .

WoolyJumper

IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »

Voting no now, sick of having the yes side ram their opinion down my throat

I have heard this so many times but still don't know when an opinion qualifies as being "rammed down someones throat"

Let's actually look at the situation here...The entire country is being asked to vote in a referendum that deals with a real and personal issue for a minority in this country. A minority that has been traditionally repressed, and still today faces ridicule, stereotyping, bullying and discrimination. Whether you personally agree or not, to lgbt this referendum is a vote on our human rights. It is not only a vote on gay marriage but also a reflection on our worth and value in society.

Since the announcement of this referendum barely a day goes by where I dont hear/read some kind of opinion on my life, my value as a person, my ability to love, my ability to marry, my affect on the institution of marriage and my effect on children. These opinions are all over the media and on official debates. These opinions no matter how offensive, no matter how much of a red herring it is and no matter how much of it is actually based in truth has to be given equal weight and air time. All in the name of "fairness"

It's been well and truly made clear at this point this referendum has nothing to do with children and is being dealt with, with separate legislation. Yet the no side keep brining this up. Every debate comes back to "won't somebody think of the children" It is clear that is scare mongering. It is misleading to those who are unsure about the issue and could well lead to people voting no. Do you know how frustrating and scary that is as a gay person?

No gay person wants to be in this position where the entire country has a say in what we allowed to do. But here we are. We are asking to be allowed to get married, to be treated and as valued and equal citizens of our country. An unfortunate consequence of that is everyone is allowed to have an opinion on our lives. Often these are personal and offensive opinions that are rammed down our throats on an almost daily basis. But we have to smile and nod regardless so we can achieve what we feel is equality.

So i'm sorry you feel the yes side is ramming their opinion down your throat. But try being gay and having to sit through months of these debates.

efb

IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »

Voting no now, sick of having the yes side ram their opinion down my throat

Usually comes from a dedicated No voter, that can't justify their vote.

dubscottie

At the end of the day.. I am gay and have been with my other half for 15 years now.. (longer than most straight relationships).

We don't intend to get married if there is a yes vote.. (for several reasons, Tax being one, which straight couples do also..)

I don't believe in any "god", preferring to look at stuff in a realistic way. (why do Adam and Eve have belly buttons??)

However I will be voting yes anyway as it gives the younger generation the freedom to marry someone they love.

Some of the posters here have warned that doing "gay" stuff will send me to hell..

Remind me how many father jesus had?? 2 apparently..

I would rather be there than have to spend eternity with some of the NO side that have posted here.. Not that hell exists anyway..

endacl

dubscottie wrote: »

why do Adam and Eve have belly buttons??

More importantly, do born again Christians have two?

Nodin

galljga1 wrote: »

Jeez, you go to sleep for a couple of hours and come back to discover that the gheys are responsible for

20+ years of social destruction
"Illegitimate" children
Abortion
Divorce
Increased levels of gayism in children due to being born to women over 32
Probably the property crises
And fcuking SUICIDE.

.

And don't forget who trains pigeons to crap on car windows.

Mark Tapley

IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »

Voting no now, sick of having the yes side ram their opinion down my throat

In other words in the absence of any credible reason to vote no, you will vote no out of petulance.

Bannasidhe

IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »

Voting no now, sick of having the yes side ram their opinion down my throat

Oh pookie.

Did someone call your family abnormal and a social experiment?

tessat

I'm not sure if this point has been made already and I'm relatively new to boards and simply don't have time to read all 323 pages of this thread but I'll answer the question.
I'll be voting yes, while I don't think the referendum had anything to do with children the way Iona et al say it does, I think it is an important part of the positives that come with a yes vote. It will mean that in addition to same sex couples having an equal right to marriage, their children (existing and potential) will have an equal right to married parents. They will have an equal right to the protections afforded to children of marriage under the constitution. I mean, surely anybody who wants to bring up children's rights as part of this referendum wants to ensure that all children are viewed equally under the constitution and doesn't want children of same sex couples excluded from the protection of the constitution??
If you truly believe in children's rights then it is a no brainer to vote yes.

hotmail.com

IrishSkyBoxer wrote: »

Voting no now, sick of having the yes side ram their opinion down my throat

So that's why you're voting No? Not actually anything to do with the referendum itself?

folamh

A writer for the Journal reckons the referendum will fail because only No campaigners are appealing to undecided/wavering voters, whereas Yes campaigners are hostile to the unddecided: http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/same-sex-marriage-vote-no-2053769-Apr2015/

I sympathise with the Yes campaigners, in that it's difficult not to be hostile to someone who is "undecided" about denying you equal rights (I think it was Eddie Hobbs who was arguing that we shouldn't even be having a referendum at all?). But at the same time, for practical purposes, maybe it's necessarily for Yes campaigners to engage those who have reservations about their cause in a civil and positive manner.

One eyed Jack

folamh wrote: »

A writer for the Journal reckons the referendum will fail because only No campaigners are appealing to undecided/wavering voters, whereas Yes campaigners are hostile to the unddecided: http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/same-sex-marriage-vote-no-2053769-Apr2015/

I sympathise with the Yes campaigners, in that it's difficult not to be hostile to someone who is "undecided" about denying you equal rights (I think it was Eddie Hobbs who was arguing that we shouldn't even be having a referendum at all?). But at the same time, for practical purposes, maybe it's necessarily for Yes campaigners to engage those who have reservations about their cause in a civil and positive manner.

Completely agree with everything written in that article tbh. I think the yes campaign are living in their own self-congratulatory bubble on social media and in their own little friendship circles where their viewpoints are reinforced, and it's blinding them to a reality outside their own perspective where they have no idea how to relate to people outside their own circles and as far as I can see at least, have pretty much ignored them.

This campaign isn't going to be won or lost in 'debates' or any of the rest of it, it's going to be won by the yes campaign making an effort to relate to people rather than isolate themselves from people.

Let the 'no' campaign spout their nonsense talk, people are as apathetic to their existence as they are to marriage equality campaigns. Most people I've met aren't even aware of any upcoming referendum, let alone what they're actually being asked to vote on, and even then they're hardly giving it any serious thought or commitment.

Rather than being focused on ivory towers group think, I seriously think some people ought to start reaching out to people beyond their own circles in a meaningful way and engaging with people to help them understand the issues involved and try and gain their support in a meaningful way rather than just because it's "the right thing to do", or because simply being pro-lgbt is "trendy". I hate saying it but there's an awful lot of misconceptions, misinformation, misunderstanding and just downright apathy out there among people.

Zubeneschamali

One eyed Jack wrote: »

This campaign isn't going to be won or lost in 'debates' or any of the rest of it, it's going to be won by the yes campaign making an effort to relate to people rather than isolate themselves from people.

This referendum is simply Homophobia: Yes or No? (though the Y/N is obvioulsy reversed )

Nobody needs to relate to the No side, any more than Catholics had to "relate" to the Penal Laws. If we lose, wait for some old bigots to die and run it again.

The fact that we have to go to a vote to ask for equality is already embarrassment enough: no fecking way should any Yes voter think they have to be polite to homophobes voting no.

folamh

Well, there are different shades of homophobia. There are the types who profess to be "fine with gays", who count them among their closest friends and don't think anything about it, but still harbor beliefs about the necessity of having a gender dichotomy in parenting, and who wrongly thing this referendum has anything to do with "the children" per se.

Nobody needs to relate to homophobia - sure. But is it not worth characterizing the debate correctly for the misguided (if homophobic) if the outcome of that will be equal rights?

Kiwi in IE

I'd really like to know why those on the no side who do not believe that civil marriage is real marriage are bothering to vote at all! LGBT couples won't really be getting married anyway in your opinion. If your churches refuse to preform ceremonies for LGBT couples, then they are not really married right? So what is your issue? Why bother to vote or even enter into the debate?

You don't consider that I am legallymarried either due to our civil wedding and I couldn't care less. Why can't LGBT people just join our category of what you consider to be pretend marriages? Win win. They aren't 'really' getting married so you don't need to worry about it, oppose it or even vote!