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  • #32
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    Haha! Saw that too and read it out to himself.

    Me too! :D


  • #33
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    osarusan wrote: »
    Here is one line from that article:



    I thought that BMI had been somewhat discredited as a measure, at least, the use of BMI is nowhere near unanimously approved. Am I wrong?


    The whole article is confusing actually. She cites research that indicates people with very high or low BMI are those most likely to die prematurely. She uses these findings to argue that people who are overweight or slightly obese are therefore the ones who will live longest. And then she hopes that BMI, the very measurement which allows her to make that claim, will be dethroned as the definitive measure.

    I am not really sure what point she is making.

    Yeah, it's a bit unfocussed indeed, but the science is interesting at least. I'm just sayin', read the article rather than giving a knee-jerk response, people!


  • #34
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    In other great news for overweight folks, it has been revealed that roads are free for the purpose of walking, and that cake is not compulsory. It is predicted, unfortunately, that these findings will make little or no difference to the majority of inveterate chubbies.


  • #35
    endacl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    MathDebater wrote: »
    The author claims to be a 'fat activist'. WTF is that when it's at home?

    A fine example of an oxymoron?


  • #36
    theboy1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 216 ✭✭theboy1


    I really hate the fat acceptance in this country.

    In this day and age, with the resources available, no one should be fat.


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  • #37
    The Saint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭The Saint


    Nothing tastes as good as Alzheimers......wait.......what was I saying


  • #38
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    theboy1 wrote: »
    I really hate the fat acceptance in this country.

    Diddums?

    Anyway, what fat acceptance? Threads on AH on the subject of fat tend to be stuffed to the gills with people who don't accept fatness.


  • #39
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    theboy1 wrote: »
    I really hate the fat acceptance in this country.

    In this day and age, with the resources available, no one should be fat.

    Honest question - why shouldn't people be fat? Seems like a perfectly valid choice to me.


  • #40
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    UCDVet wrote: »
    Honest question - why shouldn't people be fat? Seems like a perfectly valid choice to me.

    I think the more important question is why is it any of his business.


  • #41
    theboy1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 216 ✭✭theboy1


    UCDVet wrote: »
    Honest question - why shouldn't people be fat? Seems like a perfectly valid choice to me.

    Because it is honestly and their health problems take money out my pocket.

    Also the fact it is easy to not be obese.


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  • #42
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,305 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Yeah, it's a bit unfocussed indeed, but the science is interesting at least. I'm just sayin', read the article rather than giving a knee-jerk response, people!


    I read the article, I really wish I hadn't wasted my time tbh. There was no science in there, merely opinion based on twisting of statistics. I almost stopped reading when I got to this bit -


    "Thin privilege is rampant"


    I should have stopped when I got to this bit -


    "a culturally constructed myth that props up the diet industry, patriarchy and oppressive beauty standards"


    Anything to justify her own stupidity really - "I'm not the one with the problem, everyone else is the problem". She doesn't see that it's just she who just has a problem with everyone else. Thankfully, there's not enough people in society who will take her nonsense seriously.


  • #43
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I think the more important question is why is it any of his business.

    Because... because, healthcare. As if that's the reason. :rolleyes::pac: People just don't like how it looks, that's it really. It's a visible vice that people carry on their person. Like smoking is a visible vice that people can also admonish. One thing I've learned from my time on AH is that many people will scramble for anything that will make them in some way feel superior.


  • #44
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I read the article, I really wish I hadn't wasted my time tbh. There was no science in there, merely opinion based on twisting of statistics.

    She links to an article that cites a number of scientific studies.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/why-being-overweight-means-you-live-longer-the-way-scientists-twist-the-facts-10158229.html

    Her own views are suspect but there is indeed science there.


  • #45
    theboy1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 216 ✭✭theboy1


    There is no reason to be obese. You have to be extremely lazy and weak willed.


  • #46
    Just Be Yourself
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 74 ✭✭Just Be Yourself


    I hate this fat acceptance bull****. Only in the greedy, corrupt west could such a thing even exist. I hope the whole rotten structure comes falling down soon. There won't be any fat acceptance when the Mcdonalds disappear and people suddenly have to provide their own food.


  • #47
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    theboy1 wrote: »
    There is no reason to be obese. You have to be extremely lazy and weak willed.

    Oh well.


  • #48
    Just Be Yourself
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 74 ✭✭Just Be Yourself


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    Oh well.

    What? Are you saying he's wrong?


  • #49
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    theboy1 wrote: »
    Because it is honestly and their health problems take money out my pocket.

    Also the fact it is easy to not be obese.

    It's easy not to eat meat.
    It's easy not to drink alcohol.
    It's easy not to miss church every Sunday.
    It's easy not to drive a car.
    It's easy not to smoke.
    It's easy not to gamble.
    It's easy not to watch porn.
    It's easy not to swear.
    It's easy not to eat sweats.
    It's easy not to consume caffeine.

    It's an endless list. The whole point of being an individual is deciding whether or not you WANT to do something. I don't drink caffeine, I don't smoke - but those are my choices. They aren't 'better' or 'worse' than the choice to do those things.

    Being fat is no different. There is nothing wrong with choosing highly enjoyable foods over maintaining a certain body size. Are there health risks - absolutely. But there are health risks associated with everything, running marathons is BAD FOR YOU - but we let people do that. Drinking is bad for you too, but it sure is fun.

    Finally, I'm not even convinced that fat people do cost more in health care.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/22/alcohol-obesity-and-smoking-do-not-cost-health-care-systems-money/
    The lifetime costs were in Euros:

    Healthy: 281,000
    Obese: 250,000
    Smokers: 220,000

    Obese people cost less. Smoking is a great deal for our healthcare system. The 'REAL' problem is healthy people who want to live forever....but I don't hold that against them.

    More choice, not less, (in my opinion) is what we need.


  • #50
    The Diabolical Monocle
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle


    memory test was based on remembering where the biscuits were.


  • #51
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,177 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I can't get fat. My body maintains perfect irresistible form to the females no matter how much I eat.

    I'm not complaining, i'm just sayin I eat a lot too.


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  • #52
    theboy1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 216 ✭✭theboy1


    UCDVet wrote: »
    It's easy not to eat meat.
    It's easy not to drink alcohol.
    It's easy not to miss church every Sunday.
    It's easy not to drive a car.
    It's easy not to smoke.
    It's easy not to gamble.
    It's easy not to watch porn.
    It's easy not to swear.
    It's easy not to eat sweats.
    It's easy not to consume caffeine.

    It's an endless list. The whole point of being an individual is deciding whether or not you WANT to do something. I don't drink caffeine, I don't smoke - but those are my choices. They aren't 'better' or 'worse' than the choice to do those things.

    Being fat is no different. There is nothing wrong with choosing highly enjoyable foods over maintaining a certain body size. Are there health risks - absolutely. But there are health risks associated with everything, running marathons is BAD FOR YOU - but we let people do that. Drinking is bad for you too, but it sure is fun.

    Finally, I'm not even convinced that fat people do cost more in health care.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/03/22/alcohol-obesity-and-smoking-do-not-cost-health-care-systems-money/



    Obese people cost less. Smoking is a great deal for our healthcare system. The 'REAL' problem is healthy people who want to live forever....but I don't hold that against them.

    More choice, not less, (in my opinion) is what we need.

    You can have enjoyable food and remain somewhat in shape.Im not calling for people to be cover models (although that is my own personal shape) just that they are not obese.

    Being slightly overweight/chubby is one thing.


  • #53
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,305 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Tarzana2 wrote: »
    She links to an article that cites a number of scientific studies.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/why-being-overweight-means-you-live-longer-the-way-scientists-twist-the-facts-10158229.html

    Her own views are suspect but there is indeed science there.


    There's science there alright, and then there's just more twisting of statistics to present an alternative perspective.

    Her attitude is simply irresponsible. I have nothing against fat people. I just cannot abide by stupid people trying to twist statistics and put responsibility on everyone else's shoulders.


  • #54
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    There's science there alright, and then there's just more twisting of statistics to present an alternative perspective.

    Her attitude is simply irresponsible. I have nothing against fat people. I just cannot abide by stupid people trying to twist statistics and put responsibility on everyone else's shoulders.

    Yes, her attitude isn't great. But she links to an article that doesn't have anything to do her agenda by itself and that does contain actual studies. S'all I'm sayin'. ;)


  • #55
    Tarzana2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭Tarzana2


    theboy1 wrote: »
    Im not calling for people to be cover models (although that is my own personal shape)

    :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:


  • #56
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    theboy1 wrote: »
    You can have enjoyable food and remain somewhat in shape.Im not calling for people to be cover models (although that is my own personal shape) just that they are not obese.

    Being slightly overweight/chubby is one thing.

    You *can*. Sure. And if that's what you want to do, great. But I don't see any justification for why everyone should.

    There are serious bodybuilder types who think it's easy to maintain 7% bodyfat. And anyone who doesn't have chiseled abs is just plain lazy. They're point is just as valid as yours; we're just talking about some arbitrary measure of fitness and declaring anyone not meeting it is lazy/wrong/etc...

    I think that's silly. Truth be told running a 6 minute mile is that hard at all, if you train for it. Doing 15 pullups isn't hard either. But I don't think EVERYONE should be able to do these things. It's a choice. Some people are happy to run 4-5 times per week, regularly, for a few months/years. Some people enjoy doing pullups 3x per week to prep for their next rockclimbing trip or whatever. And other people would rather get an extra large pepperoni for pizza four nights per week.

    It's just a choice.


  • #57
    Hitchens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    I have to eat well for to maintain the energy to attend the constantly occurring funerals of my skinny friends :pac:


  • #58
    cloud493
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,835 ✭✭✭✭cloud493


    I have to be careful to keep my weight down these days. Then theres those people who can eat and eat and eat and stay skinny, the ****s.


  • #59
    theboy1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 216 ✭✭theboy1


    UCDVet wrote: »
    You *can*. Sure. And if that's what you want to do, great. But I don't see any justification for why everyone should.

    There are serious bodybuilder types who think it's easy to maintain 7% bodyfat. And anyone who doesn't have chiseled abs is just plain lazy. They're point is just as valid as yours; we're just talking about some arbitrary measure of fitness and declaring anyone not meeting it is lazy/wrong/etc...

    I think that's silly. Truth be told running a 6 minute mile is that hard at all, if you train for it. Doing 15 pullups isn't hard either. But I don't think EVERYONE should be able to do these things. It's a choice. Some people are happy to run 4-5 times per week, regularly, for a few months/years. Some people enjoy doing pullups 3x per week to prep for their next rockclimbing trip or whatever. And other people would rather get an extra large pepperoni for pizza four nights per week.

    It's just a choice.
    And I am not allowed ridicule and criticize people who choose to to be obese?


  • #60
    Hitchens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    theboy1 wrote: »
    And I am not allowed ridicule and criticize people who choose to to be obese?
    as long as it makes you feel superior


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  • #61
    UCDVet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    theboy1 wrote: »
    And I am not allowed ridicule and criticize people who choose to to be obese?

    You can ridicule and criticize people for whatever reasons you want.
    I can point out how arbitrary your reasons appear to be. And you're free to disagree or mock me or whatever else you like.

    Freedom is great.


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