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Marriage redefinition and Childrens rights

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    fran17 wrote: »
    But you didn't even watch the video,the video this thread is about,before making comment on its contents.

    And you know that how?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,227 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I like chicken.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭conorh91


    lazygal wrote: »
    Is that the same David Quinn who[...] thinks if you're rich enough you should be able to circumvent the adoption checks?
    I'm sure you'd never invent lies which tend to damage a person's reputation, so you must have a link for this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    ebbsy wrote: »
    I like chicken.

    Chicken curry?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    What are Quinn's credentials that make him such an expert on the rights of children?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    indy_man wrote: »


    Dude looks like what I'd imagine Diarmuid Gavin's nonce brother to look like.
    .
    .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    eviltwin wrote: »
    What are Quinn's credentials that make him such an expert on the rights of children?

    God tells him what to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    So I watched the first two minutes where he's trying to convince a room of like-minded people that the same-sex marriage referendum is going to fail, spouting off statistics. He claims that in all referendums the pro-SSM side has always been miles ahead at the start. Wrong. The more recent one in Slovakia, in its first opinion poll, found that 81% of voters opposed SSM.

    He claims that in "liberal" California*, SSM was defeated in referendum. Wrong. A referendum on blocking SSM was passed in California, and later overturned by their legal system.

    There are so many incorrect soundbites, misinformation and deliberate misrespresentation of statistics, that I'm not going to waste my time watching the rest of his drivel.

    A 35 minute speech can be condensed into 500 words. Come back to me with that and I'll read it in five minutes, but I won't waste my time listening to this man's nonsense.

    *California is liberal in US terms, but not internationally, again belying David Quinn's ignorance


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    Very interesting video. Food for thought. Thanks for posting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TheBeardedLady


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    I do agree with you. However the no side have yet to come out with a single credible argument. Debate is good for issues like this, but only if it informed.

    With regards to your co-worker and parents who are voting no, I thought Panti Bliss summed it up perfectly. You see these people who are otherwise really good people that you'd get along with and have no reason to dislike, and you hear them debating about why you as a person don't deserve to be treated equally. Why you as a person would be an unfit parent or why you, because of something inherent within yourself, are disgusting. And then you're told that you should be lucky and accept this because hey, you're not getting stoned in the middle east or beat up in Russia. I mean, I'm lucky that I'm out and comfortable within myself. But I cannot even begin to imagine the emotional toll that especially takes on young gay teenagers out there who are afraid themselves to come out or accept who they are.

    Anybody who has, or plans to have kids, has to accept the possibility that they may be gay. And just as you made a vow to your husband/wife that you'd love them til' death do you part, you make that same commitment to you children. And come May 22nd everyone should be confident in making a decision they can stand by should their child come out to them in the future.

    This is an excellent post.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    conorh91 wrote: »
    I'm sure you'd never invent lies which tend to damage a person's reputation, so you must have a link for this?
    http://www.inarchive.com/page/2011-08-03/http:/www.sbpost.ie/archives/2005/0710/adoption-the-agony-and-the-ecstasy-6248.html


    Of course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    If people really do want to 'please think of the children' then the ispcc, an organisation which exists to look after the best interests of children, with no political or religious agenda, has come out on favour of same sex marriage. I know who I'd rather pay attention to.

    http://www.ispcc.ie/news-media/childrens-issues-in-the-news/ispcc-confirms-its-support-for-a-yes-vote-in-the-marriage-equality-referendum/12761

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    lazygal wrote: »
    Is that the same David Quinn who's robbed two children of the right to biological parents by adopting them from another country? And thinks if you're rich enough you should be able to circumvent the adoption checks?

    Honestly I think comments like this have no place in the debate. David Quinn got harshly criticised and rounded upon for making personalised comments against Dil Wickremasinghe. No matter how much Iona and DQs comments are hurtful, I strongly feel those of us on the yes side shouldnt be attacking David Quinns family circumstances.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Honestly I think comments like this have no place in the debate. David Quinn got harshly criticised and rounded upon for making personalised comments against Dil Wickremasinghe. No matter how much Iona and DQs comments are hurtful, I strongly feel those of us on the yes side shouldnt be attacking David Quinns family circumstances.

    David Quinn asked a person who was the father of a child . What's the difference between that and asking him about his family circumstances? If you're not bothered about the circumstances of conception why worry about his.explanation about his family when he's happy to comment on that of others?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Honestly I think comments like this have no place in the debate. David Quinn got harshly criticised and rounded upon for making personalised comments against Dil Wickremasinghe. No matter how much Iona and DQs comments are hurtful, I strongly feel those of us on the yes side shouldnt be attacking David Quinns family circumstances.

    Normally I would agree but I think in this case its information we have a right to know. There is a vested interest for Quinn in things like this as he is an adoptive parent, no wonder he is so anti abortion and against gay couples having access to an already small pool of children. He is well within his rights to have his views but he should at least be honest about why he feels that way. It means that he is a bit emotive about the issue and therefore has his own agenda and we all know how much the man hates agendas! Its not an attack on his family, he has done nothing wrong, its just a request that he be upfront about things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    lazygal wrote: »
    David Quinn asked a person who was the father of a child . What's the difference between that and asking him about his family circumstances? If you're not bothered about the circumstances of conception why worry about his.explanation about his family when he's happy to comment on that of others?

    Let him. Just don't stoop to his level and remember the old adage "two wrongs don't make a right"

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Normally I would agree but I think in this case its information we have a right to know. There is a vested interest for Quinn in things like this as he is an adoptive parent, no wonder he is so anti abortion and against gay couples having access to an already small pool of children. He is well within his rights to have his views but he should at least be honest about why he feels that way. It means that he is a bit emotive about the issue and therefore has his own agenda and we all know how much the man hates agendas! Its not an attack on his family, he has done nothing wrong, its just a request that he be upfront about things.

    I respectfully disagree. I feel dragging David Quinns family into this debate is actually a personal attack. His attack on Dil was not welcome and personalised attacks against him are unwelcome.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 19,092 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    I believe his personal circumstances are off limits in all debates, I hope so anyway. I'd never stop him from speaking as that's intolerant and not very liberal minded, really. Funny how the 'silenced' brigade often have the biggest megaphones, though.

    Anyway, he seems to have insulted a mother on Twitter this evening and got called on it fairly sharpish.

    insulted

    https://twitter.com/BrendanPart/status/586998742735319040


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,344 ✭✭✭Thoie


    Anyway, he seems to have insulted a mother on Twitter this evening and got called on it fairly sharpish.

    But you can guarantee that he probably sees the responses calling him on it to be bullying, or trying to silence him or some such other tosh. In his world, he should be allowed say whatever nasty little things he wants to about other people's relationships, and anyone who disagrees with him, or thinks he should apologise for his hateful ways is automatically a sign that people are out to get him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭pl4ichjgy17zwd


    I think his personal family situation should be kept out of debate, however, if he's preaching about 'the biological family is best' while having adopted children, then I think it's fair for that hypocrisy to be pointed out (but not if it in any way targets his family)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    I was willing to give David Quinn a chance for a long time - I don't agree with him, but felt his view (which he has a right to hold, as others have a right to refute it) that marriage should only be between a man and a woman didn't necessarily mean he has hatred for gay people (although it does feed into homophobia).

    But that tweet by him - what a pile of petty, childish spitefulness. Stooping to that level really discredits him, and he should know better. I'd only have expected the likes of that from Waters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    I was willing to give David Quinn a chance for a long time - I don't agree with him, but felt his view (which he has a right to hold, as others have a right to refute it) that marriage should only be between a man and a woman didn't necessarily mean he has hatred for gay people (although it does feed into homophobia).

    But that tweet by him - what a pile of petty, childish spitefulness. Stooping to that level really discredits him, and he should know better. I'd only have expected the likes of that from Waters.


    His twitter feed is far less PR conscious that his usual output, and you can see the far more conservative influence come to the surface.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I was willing to give David Quinn a chance for a long time - I don't agree with him, but felt his view (which he has a right to hold, as others have a right to refute it) that marriage should only be between a man and a woman didn't necessarily mean he has hatred for gay people (although it does feed into homophobia).

    But that tweet by him - what a pile of petty, childish spitefulness. Stooping to that level really discredits him, and he should know better. I'd only have expected the likes of that from Waters.

    Its not the first though

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    seamus wrote: »
    So 35 minutes of hateful bigotry derived from a book of fairytales is insightful and listen-worthy, but if you dare challenge his opinions you're a bully.

    Standard victim playing straight from the Catholic playbook.

    http://www.yoism.org/images/addiscartoon.jpg

    David Quinn's hateful nonsense is well publicised. If he has magically come up with a new opinion that's rational and worth hearing, he can put it into a single paragraph, it doesn't need a 35 minute speech.

    The fact stands that this referendum has nothing to do with children, so mentioning children immediately proves that the speaker doesn't understand what the referendum is about.
    Shrap wrote: »
    Why wouldn't you be on autopilot having to listen to the done-to-death baseless arguments David Quinn spews forth? Haven't we heard them often enough?

    Is there anything new? Nope.
    Does he carefully avoid bible references? Yup.
    Does he appeal to "reason"? I expect so. Oh wait...no, that's usually Ronan Mullen's trick.
    Does he mention "tradition" a lot and families requiring a mother and a father in his view (thereby devaluing every single parent and gay family in the country)?
    Yes? Ok then.

    Guys you would really want to get a cohesive response to this video.Is it 35 minutes of hateful bigotry derived from the Bible OR is it a careful avoidance of Biblical references?
    Come on now hands up,who actually listened to it before becoming hugely offended by its contents which you are not aware of :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    fran17 wrote: »
    Guys you would really want to get a cohesive response to this video.Is it 35 minutes of hateful bigotry derived from the Bible OR is it a careful avoidance of Biblical references?
    Come on now hands up,who actually listened to it before becoming hugely offended by its contents which you are not aware of :rolleyes:

    No, sorry. I'd have to be well paid to listen to that, seeing as I'm on the brink of throwing my crockery at my laptop every time he's on the radio, and I have listened to him, too many times already. I now practice better self-care and only listen to him when there is an intelligent interviewer and/or guest who is able for his carry-on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    Nodin wrote: »
    His twitter feed is far less PR conscious that his usual output, and you can see the far more conservative influence come to the surface.

    Thats the beauty of twitter. People like him post things spontaneously on it without consulting their PR guys and tend to show their true nature by when they do so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    fran17 wrote: »
    Guys you would really want to get a cohesive response to this video.Is it 35 minutes of hateful bigotry derived from the Bible OR is it a careful avoidance of Biblical references?
    Well it can be both. His opinion is completely derived from religious texts. But he knows this, so he's careful to avoid appearing like a bible-thumper.

    In any case, there's no need for Shrap & me to be "cohesive". I don't recall being on the same "team" as them or otherwise being part of any joint venture?
    Come on now hands up,who actually listened to it before becoming hugely offended by its contents which you are not aware of :rolleyes:
    Like I say, give me a transcript and I'll read it. I'm not wasting 35 minutes of my time, but for the sake of fairness I'll waste five of them. If he has an argument, it can be presented in text format.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    Vey interesting survey which took place quite recently in league with the continuing drop in the yes vote.

    http://www.mercatornet.com/conjugality/view/mum_and_dad_adoption_preferred_irish_poll_shows/15672

    Its going to take a lot more than the lgbtq lobby and the student unions,the base of the yes vote,to get this over the line.David Quinn gave some telling statistics regarding previous gay marriage referendums throughout the world.This referendum is eerily similar to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    fran17 wrote: »
    Vey interesting survey which took place quite recently in league with the continuing drop in the yes vote.

    http://www.mercatornet.com/conjugality/view/mum_and_dad_adoption_preferred_irish_poll_shows/15672

    Its going to take a lot more than the lgbtq lobby and the student unions,the base of the yes vote,to get this over the line.David Quinn gave some telling statistics regarding previous gay marriage referendums throughout the world.This referendum is eerily similar to them.

    David Quinn has a history of misusing statistics. All of the correctly conducted polls show 70%+ in favour. These polls aren't biased by the LGBT lobby and students. They are representative of the general population.

    The above article was published by Quinn and the poll alluded to was commissioned by the iOnanists.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    David Quinn has a history of misusing statistics. All of the correctly conducted polls show 70%+ in favour. These polls aren't biased by the LGBT lobby and students. They are representative of the general population.

    The above article was published by Quinn and the poll alluded to was commissioned by the iOnanists.

    The poll was conducted independently by Amarach research.Cant believe your trying to discredit its validity.From my own daily experiences I would have thought the percentage would be higher.


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