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Have you ever met a killer?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,692 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    Met a few. My grandfather spent 25 years in the British Army. Saw a lot of combat. Never spoke about it.

    As a teenager I played in a team with a guy who years later was charged with a double execution over a drug deal. Not convicted due to a technacality.

    A mate of mine spent 3 years in jail for manslaughter. He was attacked in a takeaway shop after a night out. Threw a couple of punches defending himself but the guy he hit fell badly and died.

    A good friend of mine served in the US Special Forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. It messed him up.


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My sister lives in Somerset, and when she and her husband were building their house, she worked part-time in a pretty seaside pub. On account of an Irish girl being behind the bar, the pub began to get popular with some Irish expats who'd settled in or around the town. Among them, a middle-aged, good-humoured Irish handyman, 'Jimmy', had heard about the barmaid from his Irish hometown, and so he came accustomed to drinking in the pub.

    On account of being from the same Irish town, my sister made it especially her business to befriend Jimmy as she befriended all the elderly Irish customers. After a few months, she' bring from her trips to Tipperary the local newspaper, and local creamery butter. He had a bad leg, so she'd sometimes give him and one of his mates a lift.

    His name wasn't known to be local to our area, and when she was asked, our mother had no idea who he was. But nobody thought much of this. Perhaps all of his family were dead? Perhaps, like many Irish in Britain, they had all emigrated? Nobody likes to pry.

    Jim was, so I have been told, mostly a very cheerful & a jovial man. He could be sullen and irritable after a few drinks, as is common with men of his generation, and no more was thought about that.

    Well, to cut a long story short, one evening my sis arrives into work, and two grave-looking detectives are lined up at the counter. They tell her that her mate Jimmy has been charged in connection with the murder of a Lithuanian woman in London ten years previous. My sister thinks they must be joking, but no, their expression is dead-pan.
    And does she know, they ask, that he'd been convicted of the rape of two women in his hometown in Tipperary, thirty years previous? No. And that his real name is not Jimmy C____, but James K____? No.

    Yes, so it was all true. When my sister was a little baby girl playing beside the lake near our house, this monster had tried to drown a woman by the shore just a few kilometres downstream. He had raped his teenage victim and pushed her head underwater. When, somehow, she survived and tried to crawl to shore, he tried to bash her head with a rock until a farmer intervened, and he fled.

    My family, and all of the local community, recall that incident well. Such a sadistic rape convulsed the small lakeside community, and is still recalled today in grave tones. (I should also say, one month later, this degenerate man struck again, and raped a hitch-hiker on the road outside the town.)

    Oh well he was put in Portlaoise jail for a token length of time, was promptly discharged & left Ireland forevermore.

    He changed his surname before he landed in Somerset, which is why my sister never cottoned on to his real identity. Police in the UK say they don't know how many other women he may have killed and raped, but needless to say everyone feels incredibly lucky that she was never harmed by him. The Police have little doubt but that he would have struck again, and that there may be more victims whom have not come forward, or worse, are dead. The sentencing judge described him as a dangerous & wicked man, before committing him to prison for life.

    I know it all reads like a bad episode of Emmerdale Farm, but that's the story as it has been told to me, and I tell it to you in kind.

    I personally have never met a killer, nor do I want to. I believe there are sociopathic creatures out there who must never live in our society. They have no place in this world at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭not yet


    auldgranny wrote: »
    A neighbour of mine murdered someone. Everyone knows he did it. He is a dealer and the guy he killed owed him a lot of money. They were together and the victim "met with an accident" He got away with it in court. Didn't serve any time. He is a nasty piece of work.


    Pics or it never happened..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    Had just heard news about him earlier. He's threatening to go on a hunger strike if his PS2 isn't upgraded to a PS3. How about that Norwegian justice system?


    The ironic thing is, although their system may seem ridiculous to us, it's actually successful apparently as they have some of the lowest rates of reoffenders.

    One of the secrets to that is that they deport people in their thousands there-about 4,000 in 2013 and 5,000 in 2014-many of those are people who have just done their stretch.

    Oslo is a weird city,crawling with smack addicts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,956 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Had just heard news about him earlier. He's threatening to go on a hunger strike if his PS2 isn't upgraded to a PS3. How about that Norwegian justice system?


    The ironic thing is, although their system may seem ridiculous to us, it's actually successful apparently as they have some of the lowest rates of reoffenders.

    I wouldn't blame him. Both consoles are ancient and he should demand a PS 4 or XBox One.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭Raging_Ninja


    crockholm wrote: »

    Oslo is a weird city,crawling with smack addicts.

    Like Dublin then?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭Reoil


    Some knob that I know bragged about killing 3 men in Iraq.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Not that I'm aware of. Closest is an old friend of mine who put his Dad in intensive care. Dad was a notorious boozer, would frequently arrive home and beat seven shades out of his wife and later the boys. One night at 13 years of age my mate snapped, picked up a chair and returned the favour, putting his Dad in the ICU. Probably wouldn't have made a difference to him back then if he'd killed his Dad. When his Dad died a couple of years back though he told me he was glad that they were somewhat able to patch up their relationship, even if they only saw eachother a few times a year.

    For a long time in his teens and early twenties he was always a bit of a headcase. Ultimately a decent guy, loyal to a fault, but a complete animal in any kind of confrontation and little regard for the law. He went travelling then though and came back and moved in with a single mother and has become a zen guru, into his yoga and mindfulness and all that jazz.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    I was at junior school with a kid who went on to kill 2 people, the 1st guy he killed was his cabin mate on the cargo boat they worked on he said the guy came on to him he panicked and stabbed him. He did 5/6 years in prison for that came out and stabbed a random stranger to death 3 days after his release.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Lucas Castroman


    Graham Dwyer designed my mansion


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    Graham Dwyer designed my mansion
    Did he include a dungeon?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    seamus wrote: »
    Not that I'm aware of. Closest is an old friend of mine who put his Dad in intensive care. Dad was a notorious boozer, would frequently arrive home and beat seven shades out of his wife and later the boys. One night at 13 years of age my mate snapped, picked up a chair and returned the favour, putting his Dad in the ICU. Probably wouldn't have made a difference to him back then if he'd killed his Dad. When his Dad died a couple of years back though he told me he was glad that they were somewhat able to patch up their relationship, even if they only saw eachother a few times a year.

    For a long time in his teens and early twenties he was always a bit of a headcase. Ultimately a decent guy, loyal to a fault, but a complete animal in any kind of confrontation and little regard for the law. He went travelling then though and came back and moved in with a single mother and has become a zen guru, into his yoga and mindfulness and all that jazz.
    The guy I knew to say hello to, he actually killed his dad, very similar story to yours, his dad used to beat his wife unmercifully. He died himself a few years later in a really stupid accident.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Yes a relative of mine killed a man years ago and wasn't charged with anything , oddly enough his son died in similar circumstances years later.

    Would that be down in Kerry


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,843 ✭✭✭Uncle Ben


    Sean Courtney who killed that woman in Rathfarnham. I was in the Scouts with him many moons ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    Yep. One of my distant cousins was an 'independent contractor' in Afghanistan.

    I also use to work with a Bosnian guy who took up arms to defend his neighbourhood. It instills an urgency to getting your paperwork in when you know that the guy waiting on it used to be a sniper.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Depends on what you mean by killer? Someone who took a human life on purpose/out of desire/out of necessity? You can hardly count soldiers in the same breath as Richard Ramirez?

    Ted Bundy, Harold Shipman, Reinhard Heydrich, Charles Manson, Reverend Jim Jones, John Wayne Gacy - 6 of the most proficient and famous killers in hiistory, and all apparently very nice guys who were revered by the people around them (aside from their victims, obviously).

    Bundy - volunteered for a suicide hotline and was very active in political circles. Murdered dozens of women in horrifically violent ways, sometimes more than one in a single day.
    Shipman - a doctor so trusted he became one of the most prolific serial killers in history.
    Heydrich - the most powerful man in the Nazi empire, devised the Final Solution to the Jewish Problem, responsible for the deaths of millions. Also a trained violinist who organised music festivals and cultural events, was awarded several awards and distinctions for his conduct during his entire career. Given one of the biggest state funerals in history.
    Manson - The "most evil man in America", serving life in prison despite the fact he was never convicted of personally killing anyone. Worshipped as a demi-god by his followers.
    Jones - an American preacher who moved his congregation to the jungle of South America where he had built a "promised land". In reality he had built a concentration camp and held them there against their will until enforcing a mass suicide that killed everybody in the compound (over 1,000 people). American authorities were slow on following up on warnings of problems since Jones and his congregation were politically very powerful in the states.
    Gacy - murdered 33 boys and young men and buried them under his house. Was well known and liked because he volunteered as a clown at a local childrens hospital.

    Documented, proven, convicted killers, and all apparently very nice guys. For every Iceman or scobie with a scobie with a screwdriver or crime of passion or soldier, there's also a lovely nice, reasonable, educated, rational person out there killing people too, and the nicer folks tend to do it in much higher numbers and with much more brutality.
    DeltaWhite wrote: »
    I work with a rapist! Although none of us are supposed to know (cheers to our bosses not telling us that we work with a rapist who did 6 years in prison for it)

    What business is it of yours? Would you feel the same way if he was convicted of theft? If the justice system has deciided that he has served his debt to society and is a free man it's none of your business what he has done in his past. If you don't like it, move to the middle-East, their sense of justice might be more to your liking.
    This was kind of the musing that led to this post really.

    How many people would you pass on the street who had something criminal in their past but you would never know to look at them. Kind of scary in a way.

    No, it's not scary, it's hysteria inducing nonsense that allows sh*t-stirrers like the Daily Mail to pray on peoples irrational fears and insecurities.
    Had just heard news about him earlier. He's threatening to go on a hunger strike if his PS2 isn't upgraded to a PS3. How about that Norwegian justice system?

    The ironic thing is, although their system may seem ridiculous to us, it's actually successful apparently as they have some of the lowest rates of reoffenders.

    How is that ironic? If something is shown to work but it goes against your ideas, that does not make it ironic, it makes your ideas wrong.
    I personally have never met a killer, nor do I want to. I believe there are sociopathic creatures out there who must never live in our society. They have no place in this world at all.

    Do you know what a sociopath is? The vast majority of sociopaths are completely safe to be around and they tend to be highly successful.


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    orestes wrote: »
    Do you know what a sociopath is? The vast majority of sociopaths are completely safe to be around and they tend to be highly successful.
    Yes, we've all heard the definitions of sociopathy in recent times.

    I said, 'there are sociopathic creatures out there who must never live in our society'. That doesn't mean every sociopath deserves to be cast away. It means some do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭Sniipe


    I went to secondary school with, cycled with, was friends with and invited him into my granny's for some scones. I left home for college in Dublin and lost touch with him. He took the life of his girlfriend. I wonder about him a fair bit as I imagine he is probably still in Jail. I would never have pegged him as a murderer. She was a very lovely person I'm led to believe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 803 ✭✭✭jungleman


    orestes wrote: »
    What business is it of yours? Would you feel the same way if he was convicted of theft? If the justice system has deciided that he has served his debt to society and is a free man it's none of your business what he has done in his past. If you don't like it, move to the middle-East, their sense of justice might be more to your liking.



    No, it's not scary, it's hysteria inducing nonsense that allows sh*t-stirrers like the Daily Mail to pray on peoples irrational fears and insecurities.



    How is that ironic? If something is shown to work but it goes against your ideas, that does not make it ironic, it makes your ideas wrong.



    Do you know what a sociopath is? The vast majority of sociopaths are completely safe to be around and they tend to be highly successful.

    Man, it's just a thread where people say if they've ever met or known a killer. Don't think anyone is looking for a lecture on the subject.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Never met one afaik but I did live beside a guy who tried to murder his wife with a hammer. Fortunately she survived.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,972 ✭✭✭orestes


    Yes, we've all heard the definitions of sociopathy in recent times.

    The term sociopath hasn't been used in any official sense in decades.
    jungleman wrote: »
    Man, it's just a thread where people say if they've ever met or known a killer. Don't think anyone is looking for a lecture on the subject.

    Calling soldiers and people who have been involved in unfortunate accidents "killers" in the same breath as people who have killed others for fun is bullsh*t, and the thread is hysterical bottom-feeding nonsense. This is a discussion site, not a tabloid newspaper.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Yes I did, but I'll always remember the bbc tv show 'would I lie to you' where one of the panelists said he went to school with bin laden and it was true:eek:

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭beyondbelief67


    Dr Harold Shipman was my gp for a few years.
    Very cold person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    Two,one in Australia who was a proper psycho path,had the teardrop tattoo and the eyes of a madman,the other was a local scumbag who was destined for it,I remember driving by him one day at the bus stop and he had his arm in a sling and saying to my mate I guarantee you he's carrying a knife,that many people were after him and he was vunerable,a few weeks later he stabbed a young fella in a high profile case.

    I'd say I've met a few among the vagrant community in america too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,745 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    orestes wrote: »
    Calling soldiers and people who have been involved in unfortunate accidents "killers" in the same breath as people who have killed others for fun is bullsh*t, and the thread is hysterical bottom-feeding nonsense. This is a discussion site, not a tabloid newspaper.
    Very true! One group are killers. The other group are trained killers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 369 ✭✭walkingshadow


    Charles Manson never killed anyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Nucular Arms


    orestes wrote: »
    The term sociopath hasn't been used in any official sense in decades.



    Calling soldiers and people who have been involved in unfortunate accidents "killers" in the same breath as people who have killed others for fun is bullsh*t, and the thread is hysterical bottom-feeding nonsense. This is a discussion site, not a tabloid newspaper.

    You're the only one coming off as hysterical here chap.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 803 ✭✭✭jungleman


    orestes wrote: »
    Calling soldiers and people who have been involved in unfortunate accidents "killers" in the same breath as people who have killed others for fun is bullsh*t, and the thread is hysterical bottom-feeding nonsense. This is a discussion site, not a tabloid newspaper.

    Yeah and people are choosing to discuss this topic. It's not up to you to decide what can or can't be discussed. If its too tabloid-y for you then just unfollow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    Wow, surprised that so many people have met a killer... O_o

    It also made me think of a lad who I used to be good friends with in school until he started bringing in knives with him. He was mugging people at knife point by the age of 13, robbing houses by 15/16. I know he's done jail but I'm actually wondering what else he's up too...

    *runs off to google*


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭kingtiger


    I knew this guy through a family friend in London

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levi_Bellfield

    never really liked him, I remember him calling his partner at the time "the panda" cause she always had two black eyes


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