The Official Cavan GAA Discussion thread.

baconsarnie · 18-03-2015 9:48pm

Tom Joad wrote: »

Well put. Cruel on them but we have had a fantastic run at under 21 level and lots of very good footballers coming through.

Yep, harsh on our lads but Donegal will know what that feels like.

lycan238 · 18-03-2015 9:49pm

Hard luck to the Cavan team. It was a great run at least in terms of the provincial competition. I wonder will many of the U21 panel be in Senior team by the time Championship starts.

cavan4sam · 18-03-2015 9:49pm

I think we'll all agree that we've had an exceptional run at this level and heartbreaking as it is for this bunch of lads hopefully they'll bounce back and we'll have the good days again soon

18-03-2015 10:22pm

Silver lining, we'll have Argue and Hayes back for the Seniors. Don't know who if anyone else could make the step up. Perhaps Faulkner would be useful cover to have and Gerry Smith offers a lot of the same attributes as McVeety. Madden will be touted but I don't think he's capable of making an impact.

SheldonC17 · 19-03-2015 12:15am

KeepTheFaith wrote: »

Silver lining, we'll have Argue and Hayes back for the Seniors. Don't know who if anyone else could make the step up. Perhaps Faulkner would be useful cover to have and Gerry Smith offers a lot of the same attributes as McVeety. Madden will be touted but I don't think he's capable of making an impact.

Have to agree with you here. The success we have at this level has been nothing short of exceptional and everyone involved over the years deserves credit for that. Tonight shows what a tough competition it is to win and the pressures of knockout football.

But I feel this could be a benefit to the seniors as the likes of Hayes, Argue and Ciaran Brady can get settled into the side and become valuable options come summer time.

Jampip · 19-03-2015 11:41pm

tanko wrote: »

St pats hasn't had boarders who lived full time in the college for over ten years at least. It's all day students now. When the boarders were there it was commonplace to have lads from Leitrim, Monaghan, Meath, Longford, sligo and other counties on the football teams.
Tom Hayes, one of the best young footballers in the county goes to school in Monaghan town I think.

Best of luck to the U-21'S tonight

Pats closed for borders in 1999 so nearly 20 years now.

rrs · 20-03-2015 12:33pm

Cian McManus went to National School in Bawnboy, so he went to Pats after that.
No other Fermanagh players on the panel

rrs · 20-03-2015 1:27pm

Hayes no longer in MacCartens , he is in UCD now. Not sure of the reason for him going to MacCartens, the brother Josh went to Pats.

Crash Bang Wall · 26-03-2015 10:56am

Big game Sat nite, hopefully a win and consolidate our place in Div 2 for next year. Will promotion is a possibility I would be happier staying in Div 2 next year.

Killian Clarke & Argue rumoured to be out but DOR and Ronan Flanagan back and available

Jampip · 26-03-2015 2:18pm

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

Big game Sat nite, hopefully a win and consolidate our place in Div 2 for next year. Will promotion is a possibility I would be happier staying in Div 2 next year.

Killian Clarke & Argue rumoured to be out but DOR and Ronan Flanagan back and available

The annoying thing about staying in Division 2, while I'd prefer it than relegation, is that it's going to be like a mini Ulster championship. Down will most likely go up but you're looking at ourselves, Armagh, Fermanagh, Derry and two of Tyrone/Donegal all being in the Division.

I still think we could been promoted and I don't buy this reasoning that we're not fit for Division 1 yet. We aren't I agree but at least playing the best teams might develop the players more. One of the exciting things about this year's league was playing decent teams like Galway and Laois that we don't play often but there'll be little of that next year.

Crash Bang Wall · 27-03-2015 3:04pm

Jampip wrote: »

The annoying thing about staying in Division 2, while I'd prefer it than relegation, is that it's going to be like a mini Ulster championship. Down will most likely go up but you're looking at ourselves, Armagh, Fermanagh, Derry and two of Tyrone/Donegal all being in the Division.

I still think we could been promoted and I don't buy this reasoning that we're not fit for Division 1 yet. We aren't I agree but at least playing the best teams might develop the players more. One of the exciting things about this year's league was playing decent teams like Galway and Laois that we don't play often but there'll be little of that next year.

On second thoughts, promotion doesnt look like a bad option!!

tanko · 28-03-2015 4:17pm

St pats lost 1-14 to 1-10 after extra time to dingle in the semi final. They were a point up at the end of normal time but just couldn't hang on.

Tom Joad · 28-03-2015 9:13pm

Just thawed out after a wet and windy one in Breffni. Great result - Cavan by far the better team particularly in the second half. Division 2 status secured and still in with a chance of getting promoted. Main priority of staying in division 2 has been achieved

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celt262 · 28-03-2015 9:17pm

Good win in poor conditions especially the first half calmed down a bit in second.

Moving ball quicker in second half , first half with the wind was as bad as I've seen Cavan play.

lycan238 · 28-03-2015 9:18pm

Great win this evening. Is a Roscommon win tomorrow the end of Cavan's hopes for promotion realistically?

Tom Joad · 28-03-2015 9:19pm

celt262 wrote: »

Good win in poor conditions especially the first half calmed down a bit in second.

Moving ball quicker in second half , first half with the wind was as bad as I've seen Cavan play.

Yep we were poor in the first half and playing with the wind didn't suit us as they nearly felt compelled to let the ball in and it was usually the wrong ball or Dunne wasn't really showing either. Second half we were far better when we had to retain possession and work the score to the man in the right position. Westmeath were very poor but you can only beat what is in front of you.

Btw what did the Westmeath lad get red carded for?

Syferus · 28-03-2015 9:23pm

No matter what we (Ros) do tomorrow a Down loss to Laois means Cavan go up with a win in Navan. If Ros and Cavan are level after the last round scoring difference will decide who is ahead since the head-to-head was a draw.

Would love to see a repeat of the D3 final for this year's D2 final..

lycan238 · 28-03-2015 9:29pm

Syferus wrote: »

No matter what we (Ros) do tomorrow a Down loss to Laois means Cavan go up with a win in Navan. If Ros and Cavan are level after the last round scoring difference will decide who is ahead since the head-to-head was a draw.

Would love to see a repeat of the D3 final for this year's D2 final..

That would mean a double, double promotion if that happened ie both teams get promoted 2 years running. That would be something special.

Tom Joad · 28-03-2015 9:31pm

Not going to happen but if Cavan were in the league final would that not clash with the trip to New York.

cavan4sam · 28-03-2015 9:57pm

Tom Joad wrote: »

Not going to happen but if Cavan were in the league final would that not clash with the trip to New York.

The way the division has panned out anything is possible but one thing is for sure if we stay in division 2 and not go up I'm not sure if it will be nice to watch with all the ulster teams

Jampip · 28-03-2015 10:15pm

cavan4sam wrote: »

The way the division has panned out anything is possible but one thing is for sure if we stay in division 2 and not go up I'm not sure if it will be nice to watch with all the ulster teams

It'll be terrible to watch. Derry were absolutely dour against the Dubs tonight.

I can't see why we can't beat Meath but I don't see the other results going our way. Down will beat Laois and the Rossies are going to win their games.

Gallant_JJ · 29-03-2015 9:20am

Great result last night, tangible progress. If we could get a result against Meath, be it with/out promotion we would have nice momentum coming into the championship.

Real shame about St Pats, some basic errors throughout, coupled with an absolutely inept display of refereeing cost them. David Brady put in an outstanding second half display.

Blue in hope · 29-03-2015 1:22pm

Gallant_JJ wrote: »

Great result last night, tangible progress. If we could get a result against Meath, be it with/out promotion we would have nice momentum coming into the championship.

Real shame about St Pats, some basic errors throughout, coupled with an absolutely inept display of refereeing cost them. David Brady put in an outstanding second half display.

I was at the game in Nenagh and I would not blame the ref for the defeat. We never turned up in the first half. It was pretty obvious to me and the people around us that David Brady should have been moved to midfield in the first half and move Galligan in on the square. we had a strong wind behind us. What happened the team that they turned up in Nenagh late. They arrived at 1.20 and arrived on the pitch at 1.57. They had only starred there warm up when the ef went over and told them to stop that it was time for throw in. The lack of warm up and as a result slow start to match was not a good start.

29-03-2015 1:28pm

Neverthless they led going into the last few minutes and the ref denied them a penalty, didn't give a free for a blatant Kerry handle on the ground which led to a score a second later. Denied Ted at least 2 blatant frees and seemed to blow everything for Kerry in the last ten minutes or so.
Pats discipline let them down in the end too. The levelling free should never have been conceded.

cavan4sam · 29-03-2015 8:29pm

Its going to be a very interesting last round of the league with rossies losing today . Hopefully we'll get a win up in morder and let the rest take care of itself

lycan238 · 29-03-2015 8:32pm

Yes mindset has to be focus on our own game and let the rest sort itself out. No point in losing focus looking at other games.

Jampip · 29-03-2015 9:00pm

Two years ago though we went into the last Division 3 game with an outside chance of promotion and, for some reason, we didn't seem up for it at all and let the Rossies give us an awful trouncing in Breffni.

I'm worried we may do the same again. Staying in Division 2 was the target and the team have achieved that. I'd like to think we'd go for the win against Meath but that game two years ago really surprised me.

Tom Joad · 29-03-2015 9:02pm

It's Meath - I don't doubt that they will go for it. We are in a nice position going into the last weekend and a training camp coming up which will hopefully build team spirit even more. Not a bad place to be at all coming into the championship.

munchkin_utd · 30-03-2015 10:41am

tanko wrote: »

St pats lost 1-14 to 1-10 after extra time to dingle in the semi final. They were a point up at the end of normal time but just couldn't hang on.

highlights video here:
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/2/3003151100-hogan-cup-pcd-edge-st-pats-cavan-in-semi/

Jampip · 30-03-2015 11:21am

CAVAN: A O’Mara; O Minagh, K Brady, J McEnroe; D O’Reilly, A Clarke, J Hayes; T Corr, G McKiernan; C Mackey, M Reilly, M McKeever; J Brady, N McDermott, D Givney. Subs: F Flanagan for Hayes (25), B Reilly for M Reilly (62), K Meehan for McKeever (65), D McKiernan for Corr (67), N Murray for J Brady (70).

Cavan team from two years ago. It's amazing to think that O'Mara, Minagh, Clarke, Hayes and Givney aren't involved with the setup at all now. Five of that starting 15. 7 of them will start again on Sunday I'd expect - McEnroe, O'Reilly, Corr, McKiernan, Mackey, Reilly and McDermott. Flanagan who came on as a sub two years ago brings it to eight. Gunner Brady is also in with a hope but appears to have been dropped. I can't really argue with that decision. He brings great passion but he gives away too many frees for me.

SheldonC17 · 30-03-2015 9:52pm

Jampip wrote: »

CAVAN: A O’Mara; O Minagh, K Brady, J McEnroe; D O’Reilly, A Clarke, J Hayes; T Corr, G McKiernan; C Mackey, M Reilly, M McKeever; J Brady, N McDermott, D Givney. Subs: F Flanagan for Hayes (25), B Reilly for M Reilly (62), K Meehan for McKeever (65), D McKiernan for Corr (67), N Murray for J Brady (70).

This reminds me off the days before Rory Dunne, so much chopping and changing at full back. He has given us a real presence in a vital position and has played a big part in our progress

30-03-2015 10:06pm

Completely agree Sheldon. Remember the days when Corr was being tried.. The full back line was just completely non functioning and there was calls for their heads after every game.
Dunne is a very good full back and the best we've had in a long number of years. The most amazing thing for me is the journey he's made. A few years back, long after he'd made his Senior Debut, he had a bad injury and was making his return to playing in Redhills second team, they were playing my own Club's (Junior club) second team. He was playing midfield and got the run around from a lad who barely plays football. I remember thinking at the time that it was a sad sight for a lad who always had so much promise. A few years later he was man of the match in Croke Park after marking Kieran Donaghy, delighted for the lad and hope he keeps it going.

Jampip · 31-03-2015 9:13am

SheldonC17 wrote: »

Jampip wrote: »

CAVAN: A O’Mara; O Minagh, K Brady, J McEnroe; D O’Reilly, A Clarke, J Hayes; T Corr, G McKiernan; C Mackey, M Reilly, M McKeever; J Brady, N McDermott, D Givney. Subs: F Flanagan for Hayes (25), B Reilly for M Reilly (62), K Meehan for McKeever (65), D McKiernan for Corr (67), N Murray for J Brady (70).

This reminds me off the days before Rory Dunne, so much chopping and changing at full back. He has given us a real presence in a vital position and has played a big part in our progress

McEnroe actually operated at full back in that game and performed very well. He's a fantastic player. Loves the physical challenge. Opponents just bounce off him.

Tom Joad · 04-04-2015 8:38pm

Unsurprisingly no changes to the team for the match tomorrow.

Minors had a good win over Monaghan in the Minor League 2-16 to 2-10

tanko · 05-04-2015 4:26pm

Was listening to the game on northern sound. Ten minutes left, cavan are three up and they head back to clones to a game that's long over. Back to Navan with time almost up and it's level. Then two more Meath points and it's over.

Can anyone shed some light on what went wrong in the last ten minutes?

baconsarnie · 05-04-2015 5:04pm

tanko wrote: »

Can anyone shed some light on what went wrong in the last ten minutes?

With Northern Sound's coverage? Where would you start

Jampip · 05-04-2015 5:20pm

tanko wrote: »

Was listening to the game on northern sound. Ten minutes left, cavan are three up and they head back to clones to a game that's long over. Back to Navan with time almost up and it's level. Then two more Meath points and it's over.

Can anyone shed some light on what went wrong in the last ten minutes?

Cavan missed their chances to be honest. Both teams had plenty of wides and Cavan also missed some good goal chances.

Meath threw everything at us and we couldn't cope.

In the end, their better bench won the game. I won't name the Cavan sub but one lad came on and you'd struggle to notice he was on the pitch.

Meanwhile Michael Argue came on later and won some fine ball. You'd have to wonder why he wasn't on earlier. He did miss a great goal chance though.

A good league campaign though. Just a pity that Division 2 next year is going to be such a minefield.

cavan4sam · 05-04-2015 8:52pm

disappointed with the result but i think roscommon are better equipped to play division 1 football next year ,never nice to lose to meath but at least they didn't get promoted
i think we held our own in this division this year and we'll go into championship more level headed and grounded than last year whereas monaghan could be coming off two heavy defeats to dublin going into the game

lycan238 · 05-04-2015 9:38pm

cavan4sam wrote: »

disappointed with the result but i think roscommon are better equipped to play division 1 football next year ,never nice to lose to meath but at least they didn't get promoted
i think we held our own in this division this year and we'll go into championship more level headed and grounded than last year whereas monaghan could be coming off two heavy defeats to dublin going into the game

What I have put in Bold could be the key when the two teams meet in Ulster Championship. This league campagin certainly was better than I expected and it will be a positive development for this team to play div 2 next year.

Just want to ask what is peoples opinions on what a good championship campaign would be for this team? I personally would like to see them get to the last 12 again although I would of course like to see the team win ulster I don't see that happening.

Tom Joad · 05-04-2015 9:51pm

lycan238 wrote: »

What I have put in Bold could be the key when the two teams meet in Ulster Championship. This league campagin certainly was better than I expected and it will be a positive development for this team to play div 2 next year.

Just want to ask what is peoples opinions on what a good championship campaign would be for this team? I personally would like to see them get to the last 12 again although I would of course like to see the team win ulster I don't see that happening.

So much hinges on the Monaghan game. Win that and I think we could get very close to winning Ulster. We could get to a quarter final again even if we lose Ulster final.

On the other hand if we lose to Monaghan we could go out of the qualifiers with a whimper and there would be real pressure on management.

The Monaghan game is absolutely massive for this team. I'm excited and terrified in equal measure about that game.

Consolidating our position in the league is a good positive return from the league.

cavan4sam · 05-04-2015 9:59pm

I don't think the current crop fear monaghan as they have beaten them at many levels .if we can beat them i do think we have a realistic chance of competing for ulster honours . We really need to start scoring goals .
Didn't make the game today so I'm curious as to why dunne was taken off ...also (not complaining ) why was gilsenan dropped

Jampip · 06-04-2015 6:09am

Tom Joad wrote: »

So much hinges on the Monaghan game. Win that and I think we could get very close to winning Ulster. We could get to a quarter final again even if we lose Ulster final.

On the other hand if we lose to Monaghan we could go out of the qualifiers with a whimper and there would be real pressure on management.

The Monaghan game is absolutely massive for this team. I'm excited and terrified in equal measure about that game.

Consolidating our position in the league is a good positive return from the league.

Re management, the expectation is that Terry will be bowing out no matter how the Championship goes. The majority of this team have been listening to him since 2010 when he was U21 manager and a selector with Val so he's had a good crack at it now.

I'm a huge fan and greatly appreciate what he has done but the fact is that our strength in depth has been greatly reduced by the number of players who have left the panel. We would have been in a far better position today had the likes of Hayes, Keating, Tinnelly or Givney been available to come on.

The other factor is that he himself has out in a huge amount of work for five years now and he has businesses to run.

My one worry is that the county board will just give the job to McHale.

Syferus · 06-04-2015 12:52pm

Ye could do a lot worse than McHale. Hopefully ye don't have the good sense to go after him and McStay because they'd be fine pairing for us when Evans is finished.

Jampip · 06-04-2015 1:05pm

Syferus wrote: »

Ye could do a lot worse than McHale. Hopefully ye don't have the good sense to go after him and McStay because they'd be fine pairing for us when Evans is finished.

I'd prefer him as a team with McStay though. My hope was that he'd been brought in to pave the way for that. I doubt Evans will be moving on from Roscommon any time soon.

Syferus · 06-04-2015 2:07pm

Jampip wrote: »

I'd prefer him as a team with McStay though. My hope was that he'd been brought in to pave the way for that. I doubt Evans will be moving on from Roscommon any time soon.

I'd be happily surprised if he signs up for a new term after the current one expires at the end of the 2016 season. He has a six hour round-trip from Killorglin three times a week and it took a wee bit of convincing to sign up for two more years last Autumn. I imagine if he continues it would only be for an extra year.

Pete_Cavan · 06-04-2015 2:16pm

Much has been made about our lack of goals, Meath won the game yesterday with two fisted points, had we shown composure and settled for the easy point with a couple of the goal chances we had minutes earlier we would have won. That should be a lesson for us.

We have to beat Monaghan, if we do Fermanagh or Antrim will be all that stand between us and an Ulster final. Whoever comes through the other side to reach the final will have really earned it and will be very hard to beat. Even if we lose, the experience of a senior Ulster final will be great for the team and another step forward.

Its a pity Hayes didn't get more times yesterday, he needs the experience. Dunne didn't have the shooting boots on and we need Hayes as a like for like replacement who can slot into that role without disrupting the team. Dunne is there to put the ball over the bar and if that is not happening for him we need someone who can step in. That shouldn't mean throwing the baby out with the bath water and putting a big man on the square like we did in Armagh last year which plays inot. the hands of many Ulster teams.

McEnroe should not have been taken off yesterday, the defence fell apart when he left. Add Clarke to the backs and they will be a decent unit and should be able to cope with Monaghan forwards. Our midfield has looked good, even yesterday Gearoid was quiet but Mossy picked up the slack. If both play well we should be able to win that sector plus we can introduce Argue to freshen things up.

Jampip · 07-04-2015 4:19pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Much has been made about our lack of goals, Meath won the game yesterday with two fisted points, had we shown composure and settled for the easy point with a couple of the goal chances we had minutes earlier we would have won. That should be a lesson for us.

We have to beat Monaghan, if we do Fermanagh or Antrim will be all that stand between us and an Ulster final. Whoever comes through the other side to reach the final will have really earned it and will be very hard to beat. Even if we lose, the experience of a senior Ulster final will be great for the team and another step forward.

Its a pity Hayes didn't get more times yesterday, he needs the experience. Dunne didn't have the shooting boots on and we need Hayes as a like for like replacement who can slot into that role without disrupting the team. Dunne is there to put the ball over the bar and if that is not happening for him we need someone who can step in. That shouldn't mean throwing the baby out with the bath water and putting a big man on the square like we did in Armagh last year which plays inot. the hands of many Ulster teams.

McEnroe should not have been taken off yesterday, the defence fell apart when he left. Add Clarke to the backs and they will be a decent unit and should be able to cope with Monaghan forwards. Our midfield has looked good, even yesterday Gearoid was quiet but Mossy picked up the slack. If both play well we should be able to win that sector plus we can introduce Argue to freshen things up.

I really think people in the county are under estimating Monaghan. They'll be coming off the back of a highly successful Division 1 campaign. The big difference they have is McManus also. Our best man marker McLoughlin couldn't cope with him in Clones two years ago. He was the piece of class that differentiated the teams then and sadly I expect the same again this Summer.

In fairness, I can see why management stuck with Dunne. He often has bad days but he can turn them round. Yesterday wasn't one. I was heartened by the overall display though. I really feel we left that game behind us which isn't like this panel of players. Gearoid and Mossy are the perfect midfield pairing for me. Corr is the unsung hero of the team. He was missed last Summer.

Re McEnroe, he is onlycoming back from injury so that is the only reason I can imagine that he was taken off. A Meath man actually said to me walking out of the ground that he thought Rory Dunne was the tidiest and best footballer on the pitch.

Going into Monaghan, I'd be looking at:

Farrelly
McLoughlin
Dunne
K. Clarke
F. Flanagan
J. McEnroe
Damien Reilly
G. McKiernan
T. Corr
M. Reilly
R. Flanagan
D. McVeety
N. McDermott
M. Dunne
C. Mackey

Leaves Argue, Hayes and Killian Brady on the bench. There's a very strong spine to that team IMO with Dunne, McEnroe and the two lads at midfield.

Blue in hope · 10-04-2015 11:01am

Cavan played New York in the early hours of the morning and won 1-15 to 0-15. Half Time New York 0-10 Cavan 0-7

Cavan Team was
1 Ray Galligan
2 James Morris
3 Killian Brady
4 Ciaran Brady
5 Brian Sanky
6 Conor Moynagh
7 Niall Murray
8 Michael Argue
9 Liam Buchanan
10Paul Smith
11 Barry Reilly
12 Mark Mc Keever
13 Jack Brady
14 Tom Hayes
15 Enda Reilly.

Subs Used: Bud Fitzpatrick, Thomas Corr, Martin Reilly, Fergal Flanagan,Damien Reilly,Chris Conway.

Scorers: M Argue 1-1,M. Reilly 0-3 (1 Free),J Brady 0-3 (3 Frees), C Brady 0-2,C.Conway 0-2, B Reilly 0-1,B Fitzpatrick 0-1,E Reilly 0-1,C Moynagh 0-1.

Jampip · 10-04-2015 1:19pm

Blue in hope wrote: »

Cavan played New York in the early hours of the morning and won 1-15 to 0-15. Half Time New York 0-10 Cavan 0-7

Cavan Team was
1 Ray Galligan
2 James Morris
3 Killian Brady
4 Ciaran Brady
5 Brian Sanky
6 Conor Moynagh
7 Niall Murray
8 Michael Argue
9 Liam Buchanan
10Paul Smith
11 Barry Reilly
12 Mark Mc Keever
13 Jack Brady
14 Tom Hayes
15 Enda Reilly.

Subs Used: Bud Fitzpatrick, Thomas Corr, Martin Reilly, Fergal Flanagan,Damien Reilly,Chris Conway.

Scorers: M Argue 1-1,M. Reilly 0-3 (1 Free),J Brady 0-3 (3 Frees), C Brady 0-2,C.Conway 0-2, B Reilly 0-1,B Fitzpatrick 0-1,E Reilly 0-1,C Moynagh 0-1.

Very much a B team. Will be interesting to see if the big guns are rolled out on Sunday for the second game. I'd imagine they will be.

rrs · 11-04-2015 10:34am

Hayes is a good young player, but he isn't a proflific scorer even at Club level. Didn't score against Donegal in the u21 game this yeqr,

Monaghan have McManus who is An All Star in the full forward line, thats the difference. While Keating is a loss, his shooting is erratic and not in McManus class.

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