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Is journalism a viable career in Ireland?

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  • #32
    KomradeBishop
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    He actually made a tit of himself right here on Boards.ie before, if I recall correctly - will try find a link.


  • #33
    copestar
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    LostPassword wrote: »
    OMG THESE MOSQUES ARE BUILT BY ISLAMISTS WHO BELIEVE IN ISLAM!!!

    Oh dear. Can somebody please explain the difference between Muslims and Islamists to this user.


  • #34
    LostPassword
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    copestar wrote: »
    Oh dear. Can somebody please explain the difference between Muslims and Islamists to this user.
    Oh yus. I am to be edumacated!


  • #35
    copestar
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    LostPassword wrote: »
    Oh yus. I am to be edumacated!

    Go on. What do you think the difference between Muslims and Islamist is? I can almost hear you furiously typing your search query into google.


  • #36
    KingBrian2
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    superelliptic wrote: »
    Its a tough market but there the quality of journalism in Ireland has taken a nose dive in the past decade or so and this is not lost on most people. There needs to be a huge move away from tabloid rubbish back to properly investigated, Edited, and quality controlled journalism otherwise we are going to go the way of the US and have Fox as our only source of 'news'.

    There's a need for quality journalists, but you will find the industry hard work I'd imagine as the sh1te ones are ten a penny.... =(

    Does not help when Newscorp buys up most of the media and set the agenda. They are full of opinionated humbugs looking for a story and trying to make people angry. If people got away with what the press does they would be hit with a libel suit. Some countries don't allow this happen and in Ireland we have seen successful cases against media publications that have impugned a persons character. Fact should be presented at all times not distortions and innuendo.


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  • #37
    KomradeBishop
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    KomradeBishop wrote: »
    He actually made a tit of himself right here on Boards.ie before, if I recall correctly - will try find a link.
    Ya here we go - here he is (Humphrys) acting apologist for Israel's blockade on Gaza and annexation of Palestinian land; nice:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056426494&page=5


  • #38
    LostPassword
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    copestar wrote: »
    Go on. What do you think the difference between Muslims and Islamist is? I can almost hear you furiously typing your search query into google.
    It's an artificial distinction invented by ignorami who overlay a model of christianity on a religion that has never distinguished between secular and religious realms. :)


  • #39
    Cold War Kid
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    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    I recall reading threads on a similar topic a few years ago. Most people said that the journalism industry in Ireland was dying a death and that finding a job is impossible without connections in the industry. My question is, is this still the case? Are journalism graduates emerging from their 4 year courses only to discover they can't find work in the media. I should point out, I'm not a journalism student (would have loved to have studied it if I had the points, so I now keep writing as an enjoyable past time).

    What is your view? Are there journalism jobs in Ireland or is the situation still the same as it was a few years ago?
    Hey Lollipop. I'd say the internet is causing a drop in traditional print/broadcast opportunities. You'd be better off looking for digital-based work like The Journal. I don't know that there would even be full-time jobs - moreso freelance bits and bobs for a long time until you build up enough material for the prospects of a full-time job.


  • #40
    KingBrian2
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    KomradeBishop wrote: »
    Ya here we go - here he is (Humphrys) acting apologist for Israel's blockade on Gaza and annexation of Palestinian land; nice:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056426494&page=5

    That guy is a majorly ass hole for posting that.


  • #41
    Santa Cruz
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    KomradeBishop wrote: »
    Good luck doing any meaningful investigative journalism, without an organization with deep pockets, ready to defend you in court.
    If they publish the truth and are able to prove it they have nothing to fear. Otherwise its a "no smoke without fires style " of journalism that is similar to the local gossip


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  • #42
    KomradeBishop
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    That's a naive view of how journalism works - you are taking a huge risk doing investigative journalism targeting wealthy litigious folk, if you don't have deep pockets to fund highly competent solicitors, for backing you when you end up in an extremely costly court case; even if you win in the end, you still have to be able to fund your way through the case, and have a competent defence.

    The difficulties and dangers of engaging in real investigative work are well known:
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2009/may/05/alan-rusbridger-ian-hislop


  • #43
    Wacker The Attacker
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    TerrorFirmer wrote: »
    There are jobs but you need to be pretty good as the available jobs are quite limited - but they are there.

    The whole 'you need to know someone' is rubbish which frankly I feel is perpetrated by bitter people who failed at it.

    Most people do a Masters in Journalism, there are 3 or 4 year undergrads available now but to be honest sounds like a total waste of time to me.

    You'd be far better off doing a different degree and then doing a Masters - and speaking of, having a paper qualification is important now for new comers to journalism.

    You might say that, however, that was my experience.


  • #44
    beks101
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    Do your degree with a large side of unpaid media work right throughout - get involved with the local radio station, edit the college magazine, be a key figure in the college media production society and spend all of your spare time writing, editing, teaching yourself to self-shoot, sub and use all of the production tools that all the mainstream channels and publications use (iNews, Avid, Final Cut Pro etc)

    The multi-media/digital thing is really where it's at and those are the skills that most editors / producers are going to look for in new recruits. Can you produce copy for digital platforms as well as the traditional ones, how fluent are you in using those tools and how quickly can you turn out copy?

    The Irish journalism scene by and large is a damn sight more incestuous and far more closed off than most international industries (speaking as a journalist who has worked in Ireland, Canada and now UK) but damn hard work, drive and grit will always be recognized.

    You just have to be prepared to start on the bottom of the pecking order, build up a portfolio of work and accept that your career will never allow you to keep normal hours or have a solid, stable 9 - 5.


  • #45
    Cold War Kid
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    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    You might say that, however, that was my experience.
    Yep, I got a good lot of freelance work on a national radio show precisely because of someone who already freelanced there giving them my number (not even CV). That was 2006/7 - I assume things have become even more closed-off since then.


  • #46
    beks101
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    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    Yep, I got a good lot of freelance work on a national radio show precisely because of someone who already freelanced there giving them my number (not even CV). That was 2006/7 - I assume things have become even more closed-off since then.

    Yeah and you know, it's not strictly an Irish thing either. I work for an American network and when we're looking for freelancers in random countries, it becomes a "anyone know a good fixer/producer in Kenya/France/Ireland?" and they get hired on the basis that someone reliable in the company says "ah yeah Jim from Dublin is pretty solid, here's his number."

    That's just the industry. And in one way, someone's ability or inability to navigate the networking thing is a good gauge of whether or not they will survive in the industry, as so much of the job is about effective and strategic communication skills.


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