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Ryanair Collision..Again

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  • #32
    sharkman
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    You're really not.

    I REALLY am ! ;)


  • #33
    mr.anonymous
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭mr.anonymous


    The aircraft are under the command and are the responsibility of the Capt.

    The ground controller issues instructions and it might be hard to judge how close the aircraft were from the tower.

    Michael O'Leary won't be going mad, he's an accountant. The relevant post holders like the chief pilot will be asking questions.

    Given that Ryanair supposedly own many extra engines, I'm sure they have a few winglets lying around. Especially after last time.

    You don't get the same questioning about Aer Lingus' safety after their aircraft turned back today with fumes on it. Ryanair is a low cost business, not a low cost airline!


  • #34
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    sharkman wrote: »
    I'm just a member of the public , not affiliated to any airline . So I'm calling it as the public see it . If it were two DHL drivers who crashed into each other on leaving their depot , I'd be questioning DHL's driver prowess .

    I would respectfully suggest that you're calling it as you see it, I'm not sure that you can claim that you speak for the public at large. Frankly your reaction is the one I'd expect from the Daily Mail for example.

    While this is a rather high profile incident and not good news, take a look at the Aviation Herald (www.avherald.com) for a list of incidents affecting all airlines, the vast majority of which are relatively minor. If you take your line of thought, no one would fly with any airline.

    This is an airline with over 300 aircraft flying every day without major incidents - how can you then suggest that safety is called into question?


  • #35
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    How likely is this to be an April's fools day joke?


  • #36
    sharkman
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    lxflyer wrote: »
    I would respectfully suggest that you're calling it as you see it, I'm not sure that you can claim that you speak for the public at large. Frankly your reaction is the one I'd expect from the Daily Mail for example.

    While this is a rather high profile incident and not good news, take a look at the Aviation Herald (www.avherald.com) for a list of incidents affecting all airlines, the vast majority of which are relatively minor. If you take your line of thought, no one would fly with any airline.

    This is an airline with over 300 aircraft flying every day without major incidents - how can you then suggest that safety is called into question?


    Because on two occasions at the same airport , almost the same "incident" happened to the same airline .By my train of thought , if this happened here before perhaps Ryanair should have made sure it did not happen again . While no one was hurt and it may be a minor accident it DID happen to the same airline as before.


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  • #37
    sharkman
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    How likely is this to be an April's fools day joke?
    Not very !!


  • #38
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    sharkman wrote: »
    I REALLY am ! ;)

    How?.... The only one who agrees with you is yourself (and probably the daily mail).


  • #39
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    How likely is this to be an April's fools day joke?

    I worry about you sometimes :D;)


  • #40
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    sharkman wrote: »
    Because on two occasions at the same airport , almost the same "incident" happened to the same airline .By my train of thought , if this happened here before perhaps Ryanair should have made sure it did not happen again . While no one was hurt and it may be a minor accident it DID happen to the same airline as before.

    http://www.newstalk.com/Ryanair-Dublin-Airport-incident-wings-DAA-

    Read the above, both Aircraft were under control of ATC, who should ensure it doesn't happen.


  • #41
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    sharkman wrote: »
    Because on two occasions at the same airport , almost the same "incident" happened to the same airline .By my train of thought , if this happened here before perhaps Ryanair should have made sure it did not happen again . While no one was hurt and it may be a minor accident it DID happen to the same airline as before.

    And other airlines have not had several aircraft return to the same airport over a period of time due to smoke in the cabin for example?

    I think you have to put this into perspective when looking at the volume of flights made every day.

    It's not good, but please do not blow this out of proportion.


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  • #42
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    fr336 wrote: »
    I worry about you sometimes :D;)

    It's just too Deja Vu for me...


  • #43
    sharkman
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    http://www.newstalk.com/Ryanair-Dublin-Airport-incident-wings-DAA-

    Read the above, both Aircraft were under control of ATC, who should ensure it doesn't happen.

    The Pilots ..


  • #44
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    sharkman wrote: »
    The Pilots ..

    The pilots what?

    The pilots shouldn't have to stick their head out the window to ensure theres no other aircraft around. They look attentively, but that's not always enough because its not everyday that ATC send another aircraft directly for you.


  • #45
    Growler!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Growler!!!


    ATC issue instructions. It's the responsibility of the captain to ensure adequate clearance at all times if the aircraft is under its own power.


  • #46
    flanzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,151 ✭✭✭flanzer


    Anyone know how to get the ATC extract of the incident?


  • #47
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Growler!!! wrote: »
    ATC issue instructions. It's the responsibility of the captain to ensure adequate clearance at all times if the aircraft is under its own power.

    I understand that and partial blame lies with the crew, but the ATC are ultimately to blaim here, especially since its reoccurring. Their plans should be changed as to how they route Aircraft through Taxiways.

    God help them when it hits the peak season, it'll be busier than it ever has been.


  • #48
    flanzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,151 ✭✭✭flanzer


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    They look attentively, but that's not always enough because its not everyday that ATC send another aircraft directly for you.

    Oh, so the pilot of the offending aircraft isn't looking straight ahead when such an instruction comes from ATC? 'Ah sure feck it, I'll taxi anyway, cuz ATC said so'


  • #49
    sharkman
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94914835&postcount=5


  • #50
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=EIDW 0600-0630 April 1


  • #51
    Growler!!!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Growler!!!


    Total blame lies with the crew. Who was at the controls? If you suspect there's not enough room as in this case then stop and query the instruction.


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  • #52
    sharkman
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,531 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    The pilots what?

    The pilots shouldn't have to stick their head out the window to ensure theres no other aircraft around. They look attentively, but that's not always enough because its not everyday that ATC send another aircraft directly for you.

    As far as I can make out ATC sent one aircraft out behind the other , the one behind almost ran up the behind of the other veering off at the last moment avoiding a more serious incident .

    But thats just the story I'm making up for the Mirror ;):D;)


  • #53
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    Is this real? I saw the story this morning and was under the impression it was an April fool's day article.

    Highly embarrassing for this to happen twice within a few months if it's true.


  • #54
    ZiabR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Yet more pics of both aircraft. Nasty damage there.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0401/691273-ryanair-dublin-airport/


  • #55
    mr.anonymous
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭mr.anonymous


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    I understand that and partial blame lies with the crew, but the ATC are ultimately to blaim here, especially since its reoccurring. Their plans should be changed as to how they route Aircraft through Taxiways.

    God help them when it hits the peak season, it'll be busier than it ever has been.

    "Blame" is not helpful - go for the learning outcome.

    People seem to be confused over the term Air Traffic "Control". They're responsiblefor the "safe, orderly and expeditious" flow of traffic in controlled airspace. But the ultimate responsibility is that of the captain.

    When it hits busy season, they'll do what they always do. It's unrealistic to think that this is extreme and should never happen.

    The taxi route is standard.


  • #56
    martinsvi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,729 ✭✭✭martinsvi


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    but the ATC are ultimately to blaim here, especially since its reoccurring. Their plans should be changed as to how they route Aircraft through Taxiways.

    excuse me, what are your credentials and what makes you eligible to make such bold statements? Should I be expecting a new edition of air law book, because the current one that I have, says you are wrong and Growler!! is right


  • #57
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    martinsvi wrote: »
    excuse me, what are your credentials and what makes you eligible to make such bold statements? Should I be expecting a new edition of air law book, because the current one that I have, says you are wrong and Growler!! is right

    What are your credentials to completely undermine my comment?

    Ok, I was wrong, I apologise, but such Hostility is unwarranted.


    How come this only happens at Dublin? Explain that for me, you should be able with your experience.


  • #58
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,212 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    logik wrote: »
    Yet more pics of both aircraft. Nasty damage there.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0401/691273-ryanair-dublin-airport/


    Not really. They'll replace the winglet and the aircraft will probably be flying again tomorrow.


  • #59
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,129 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    What are your credentials to completely undermine my comment?

    Ok, I was wrong, I apologise, but such Hostility is unwarranted.


    How come this only happens at Dublin? Explain that for me, you should be able with your experience.

    what makes you think this only happens in Dublin?


  • #60
    bryangiggsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭bryangiggsy


    A number of goldfish were spotted on the pavement outside Ryanair headquarters today


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  • #61
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what makes you think this only happens in Dublin?

    I have yet to hear of 2 Ryanair jets clipping wings for the second time in less than a year at any other airport.


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