Another Catholic Priest talks through his hole

Dave_The_Sheep · 30-03-2015 11:10PM

The "sort of" was in reference to: “When I came to know she was a nice Irish Catholic I felt very sad about the comment,” he added.

efb · 30-03-2015 11:12PM

Them fecking altar boys were too sexy

Stark · 30-03-2015 11:17PM

Chris___ wrote: »

A friend of mine in America said she once seen two guys try rape a woman on a bus in the middle of the day.

Well if she hadn't been out without her husband...

galljga1 · 31-03-2015 09:34AM

Stark wrote: »

Well if she hadn't been out without her husband...

Often, I hear people quote "if we hadn't given women the vote etc etc". I think it all started when we gave them shoes.

kylith · 31-03-2015 09:59AM

galljga1 wrote: »

Often, I hear people quote "if we hadn't given women the vote etc etc". I think it all started when we gave them shoes.

Teaching us to talk, that's when the trouble started.

galljga1 · 31-03-2015 10:25AM

kylith wrote: »

Teaching us to talk, that's when the trouble started.

You could have a point but seriously, this and others of his way of thinking really need to be put down. Not sure whether there are more or less of them that there were let's say thirty years ago.

Egginacup · 31-03-2015 10:33AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

But in fairness he's not wrong. Techically if she wasn't out she wouldn't have died.

If she wasn't in Australia she wouldn't have died there either.

SeanW · 31-03-2015 10:35AM

wprathead wrote: »

I do like Sarah Silverman's 10 Rape Preventions for Men

Yes "forward this to all the men in your life" because all men are potential rapists?

Perhaps I should write a "10 ways not to be a gangster thug" fill it with crude stereotypes and forward it to all the black people I know?

Or how about a "10 ways not to be a terrorist" and send it to a bunch of Muslims? Or (for balance) how about "10 ways not to be a Zionist murderer of Palestinians" and send to a bunch of Jews?

Not a good idea? That would be offensive? Crass? Discriminatory? Disproportionate?

LDN_Irish · 31-03-2015 10:54AM

Sean, it's a parody of the tips given to women to avoid being raped. It's not genuine advice to prevent men from raping women.

Nodin · 31-03-2015 11:53AM

kylith wrote: »

Teaching us to talk, that's when the trouble started.

That was bad, but when we let yez learn to read we fucked it up altogether.

PopePalpatine · 31-03-2015 11:58AM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Sean, it's a parody of the tips given to women to avoid being raped. It's not genuine advice to prevent men from raping women.

Any excuse for a rant about "ERMAHGERD FEMINAZIS!"

SeanW · 31-03-2015 12:10PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Sean, it's a parody of the tips given to women to avoid being raped. It's not genuine advice to prevent men from raping women.

I would have thought that there was a big difference between giving people advice on how to avoid being victims of crime (which I would have thought a good idea for everyone, men and women in all societal groups) and crude stereotyping and guilt by association.

Even as a joke, this list would not be accepted for any other group. And rightly so.

Nodin · 31-03-2015 12:13PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Any excuse for a rant about "ERMAHGERD FEMINAZIS!"

Won't be laughin when they cut off your lad and offer it to their full-bosomed dark goddess.

kylith · 31-03-2015 12:19PM

SeanW wrote: »

I would have thought that there was a big difference between giving people advice on how to avoid being victims of crime (which I would have thought a good idea for everyone, men and women in all societal groups) and crude stereotyping and guilt by association.

Even as a joke, this list would not be accepted for any other group. And rightly so.

Well Sean, there's tips on how to avoid being the victim of crime, and then there's victim blaming: telling someone that it's their own fault they were mugged because they had their wallet with them or own a nice watch, which is what a lot of 'rape advice' boils down to - Don't dress attractively, don't go anywhere on your own, don't draw attention to yourself*. Focussing on what the victim did 'wrong' instead of what most people would consider obvious - the leading cause of rape is rapists, not miniskirts.

It's like if the 'avoiding being a victim of crime' advice was to leave all your belongings in a safe at home at all times because if you take them out of course someone will rob them. And you can never tell anyone about any nice things you own either in case they follow you home and rob you.

*While simultaneously dressing attractively because if you don't you're 'letting yourself down' and being frumpy, being independent because no-one likes a clingy woman, and being vivacious and outgoing.

SeanW · 31-03-2015 12:48PM

It's like if the 'avoiding being a victim of crime' advice was to leave all your belongings in a safe at home at all times because if you take them out of course someone will rob them. And you can never tell anyone about any nice things you own either in case they follow you home and rob you.

That would be good advice in South Africa for example, maybe Russia, Ciudad Juarez in Mexico and other parts of the world as well.

But even if it were not, where do you draw the line?

Take a hypothetical scenario.

If a man walks down a rough street in Finglas at night with a €500 smartphone hanging out of his pocket, connected to headphones, who walks past a gang of dodgy characters in a dark section by broken streetlights while looking like he's half asleep, barely looking at where he's going let alone his surroundings, do you think his chances of leaving that street without being robbed/assaulted are very good? I would say no, that would most likely be the prelude to a robbery.

It would be correct to say that he had a right to do this and the only people to blame were the hoods, but it would also be correct to say that the entire incident could have been avoided by the victim from the first.

It would not be correct to say that the victim was could have done nothing differently and that the response should be to "teach" all Finglassians not to be robbing scumbags.

Such an approach would not only be offensive, condescending and hateful, it would also be doomed to fail. Yet feminist cries of "teach men not to rape" are broadly accepted?

galljga1 · 31-03-2015 12:50PM

Nodin wrote: »

Won't be laughin when they cut off your lad and offer it to their full-bosomed dark goddess.

"full-bosomed dark goddess"...... I want in.

floggg · 31-03-2015 12:57PM

Tinley Spicy Cigar wrote: »

If you want to get all technical on it, even if she hadn't been out she would have died eventually. Pertinent point is that he felt it more appropriate to emphasise to a group of children the lack of faith that she apparently had and which was the cause of her death, over any lack of faith that a violent rapist and murderer had. Were one in the mood one could argue that it was he who was responsible for her death, and that a priest might be presumed to have more of a moral problem with rape and murder than being out late at night.

His lack of faith had nothing to do with his decision to rape, just as many cleric abusers abundant faith had nothing to do with their decision.

The idea that faith is the only thing keeping our sadistic, murderous or unhealthy sexual urges in check is offensive to believers and atheists alike.

Reoil · 31-03-2015 01:01PM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Mod: And someone could point out your grammar isn't perfect. Which means the thread gets off topic even more.
So don't be grammer natzi

It's "Nazi", not "Natzi". And it's a proper noun, so should start with a capital letter, and as it's the end of a sentence, it should end with a full stop.

*runs out of the room*

lazygal · 31-03-2015 01:05PM

Reoil wrote: »

It's "Nazi", not "Natzi". And it's a proper noun, so should start with a capital letter, and as it's the end of a sentence, it should end with a full stop.

*runs out of the room*

Are you aloud (sic) to start a sentence with "And"?

galljga1 · 31-03-2015 01:11PM

lazygal wrote: »

Are you aloud (sic) to start a sentence with "And"?

Yes: example

And is a conjunction used to blah, blah, blah.

Expecting slap from Brutal for being off topic.

Now back to discussing this fine gentleman.

floggg · 31-03-2015 01:34PM

SeanW wrote: »

That would be good advice in South Africa for example, maybe Russia, Ciudad Juarez in Mexico and other parts of the world as well.

But even if it were not, where do you draw the line?

Take a hypothetical scenario.

If a man walks down a rough street in Finglas at night with a €500 smartphone hanging out of his pocket, connected to headphones, who walks past a gang of dodgy characters in a dark section by broken streetlights while looking like he's half asleep, barely looking at where he's going let alone his surroundings, do you think his chances of leaving that street without being robbed/assaulted are very good? I would say no, that would most likely be the prelude to a robbery.

It would be correct to say that he had a right to do this and the only people to blame were the hoods, but it would also be correct to say that the entire incident could have been avoided by the victim from the first.

It would not be correct to say that the victim was could have done nothing differently and that the response should be to "teach" all Finglassians not to be robbing scumbags.

Such an approach would not only be offensive, condescending and hateful, it would also be doomed to fail. Yet feminist cries of "teach men not to rape" are broadly accepted?

For ****s sake. Sarah Silverman doesn't actually think she needs to teach all men what's on that list.

She's just pointing out that the "rape prevention" advice typically given to women is about as stupid as the content of those lists.

And as a man I find the typical rape prevention advice far more offensive than Sarah Silvermans satirical list as rape prevention advice seems to assume that men aren't actually capable of taking responsibility for our own actions.

But don't let that get in the way of your rant at a list that clearly was never intended to be taken seriously.

kylith · 31-03-2015 01:39PM

SeanW wrote: »

That would be good advice in South Africa for example, maybe Russia, Ciudad Juarez in Mexico and other parts of the world as well.

But even if it were not, where do you draw the line?

Take a hypothetical scenario.

If a man walks down a rough street in Finglas at night with a €500 smartphone hanging out of his pocket, connected to headphones, who walks past a gang of dodgy characters in a dark section by broken streetlights while looking like he's half asleep, barely looking at where he's going let alone his surroundings, do you think his chances of leaving that street without being robbed/assaulted are very good? I would say no, that would most likely be the prelude to a robbery.

It would be correct to say that he had a right to do this and the only people to blame were the hoods, but it would also be correct to say that the entire incident could have been avoided by the victim from the first.

It would not be correct to say that the victim was could have done nothing differently and that the response should be to "teach" all Finglassians not to be robbing scumbags.

Such an approach would not only be offensive, condescending and hateful, it would also be doomed to fail. Yet feminist cries of "teach men not to rape" are broadly accepted?

Well, if we all sat at home all the time no crimes would ever be committed against us. It's not as easy as 'don't walk through Finglas', to take your example. Why is that person walking there: does no bus run near where they want to go? Why have the streetlights not been fixed? But the main thing, I think, is what can be done to make Finglas safer? More cameras? Greater Garda presence? Job schemes to reduce unemployment and youth schemes to keep the young people off the streets and out of danger at night?

Yes, teaching boys not to rape could be described as offensive, condescending, and hateful but the alternative, which we are doing now, is to teach women and girls that all men are potential rapists and are to be feared and mistrusted. And how is that any better? Teaching 50% of the population to fear the other 50% so some people don't have to get offended because they would never sexually assault someone?

The man who killed and raped Jill Meagher would have raped and killed someone that night if Jill hadn't been there. Jill staying home wouldn't have magically made the threat go away, it would just have meant that it was visited on someone else. And if there was no-one at 3am then he'd have gone out looking at 12am the next night.

Steve_Carella · 31-03-2015 01:51PM

wprathead wrote: »

I do like Sarah Silverman's 10 Rape Preventions for Men

Why? Speaking as a man who has never raped anybody, nor been inclined to rape anybody (like the overwhelming majority of men), I'm interested to know why you like this.

runawaybishop · 31-03-2015 02:00PM

Steve_Carella wrote: »

Why? Speaking as a man who has never raped anybody, nor been inclined to rape anybody (like the overwhelming majority of men), I'm interested to know why you like this.

Did you even read it, or are you not familiar with humour?

LDN_Irish · 31-03-2015 02:01PM

SeanW wrote: »

I would have thought that there was a big difference between giving people advice on how to avoid being victims of crime (which I would have thought a good idea for everyone, men and women in all societal groups) and crude stereotyping and guilt by association.

Even as a joke, this list would not be accepted for any other group. And rightly so.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QR465HoCWFQ

Dunno man, I find this public service announcement to help black people not get beaten up by police in the US quite funny. It works better if you don't take it as genuine advice.

Edit: Although probably the funniest part is the people in the comments who think it is genuine advice and thank Chris Rock for "telling it like it is."

Steve_Carella · 31-03-2015 02:05PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Did you even read it, or are you not familiar with humour?

I read it, I'm very familiar with humour, and I found it unfunny. Unless "All men are rapists" humour is your thing, which if it is I assume that also means that all muslims are terrorists, all blacks are criminals etc etc...stereotypes just stop being funny after a while.

runawaybishop · 31-03-2015 02:09PM

Steve_Carella wrote: »

I read it, I'm very familiar with humour, and I found it unfunny. Unless "All men are rapists" humour is your thing, which if it is I assume that also means that all muslims are terrorists, all blacks are criminals etc etc...stereotypes just stop being funny after a while.

You read it but clearly didn't understand it. Its a snipe on the ridiculous informationals that are sent out that do actually believe all men are just about to rape someone, the humour is used to call out how stupid that is.

Its the direct opposite of "all men are rapists" sh1te.

SeanW · 31-03-2015 02:11PM

floggg wrote: »

For ****s sake. Sarah Silverman doesn't actually think she needs to teach all men what's on that list.

Perhaps not, but it reflects a certain point of view that is popular among the Feminist-Left - as will be highlighted below.

But don't let that get in the way of your rant at a list that clearly was never intended to be taken seriously.

It doesn't matter. Even as a joke, it would never be accepted about any other group.

kylith wrote: »

It's not as easy as 'don't walk through Finglas', to take your example.

No, it's more like "don't walk through Finglas unless you absolutely have to, but then if you must, then use extreme caution"

But the main thing, I think, is what can be done to make Finglas
safer? More cameras? Greater Garda presence? Job schemes to reduce
unemployment and youth schemes to keep the young people off the streets and out of danger at night?

In a perfect world yes. But we don't live in a perfect world, and while all of this might be done some day and have some effect, today the place is a kip because of a small number of its inhabitants and the best way for an individual to deal with that is through extreme care.

Yes, teaching boys not to rape could be described as offensive,
condescending, and hateful but the alternative ... And how is that any better?

It would never be accepted for any other group. If you narrowly avoided being killed by Islamic fundamentalists, you would never say "we need to teach all Muslims not to be Jihadists, who cares if this offends the majority of peaceful Muslims who would never be involved" and you'd be considered a sectarian Neanderthal if you did - and with good reason.

The same is true of any other case of guilt-by-association. It would never be accepted about any other group in society. Full stop.

Steve_Carella · 31-03-2015 02:13PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

You read it but clearly didn't understand it. Its a snipe on the ridiculous informationals that are sent out that do actually believe all men are just about to rape someone, the humour is used to call out how stupid that is.

Its the direct opposite of "all men are rapists" sh1te.

Fair enough. I just don't think it's funny.

runawaybishop · 31-03-2015 02:23PM

SeanW wrote: »

Perhaps not, but it reflects a certain point of view that is popular among the Feminist-Left - as will be highlighted below.
It doesn't matter. Even as a joke, it would never be accepted about any other group.

Swing and a miss. Her point is the opposite of what you seem to think it is.

Another Catholic Priest talks through his hole

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