Another Catholic Priest talks through his hole

vicwatson

Did ya ever hear the likes, to a primary school class no less - though nothing they say surprises me these days

"A Catholic priest has reportedly told a primary school mass in Melbourne that Jill Meagher would not have been murdered if she had not been out so late at night."....(holding up a picture of Bayley)

"the priest to tell the group that if Ms Meagher had been "more faith-filled", she "would have been home in bed and not walking down Sydney Road at 3am"." (Infact it was 01.30am not that it matters)

Suppose they've apologised so that's ok then :mad::mad:

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/asia-pacific/priest-tells-children-jill-meagher-would-have-been-home-in-bed-on-night-of-murder-if-she-was-more-faithfilled-31099620.html

I thought these clowns were meant to be intelligent people, they really should engage the brain before the gob.

Generic Dreadhead

vicwatson wrote: »

I thought these clowns were meant to be intelligent people

Did you now?
May I remind you of the oft-quoted Father Ted Priest Study of the late 90's

The Moldy Gowl

But in fairness he's not wrong. Techically if she wasn't out she wouldn't have died.

Fratton Fred

If you're 50 and never had so much as a **** in your entire life, your brain must become ****ed up, surely.

frag420

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

But in fairness he's not wrong. Techically if she wasn't out she wouldn't have died.

techically is not a word!!

Kevin McCloud

Fratton Fred wrote: »

If you're 50 and never had so much as a **** in your entire life, your brain must become ****ed up, surely.

There would be some back log.

Thelomen Toblackai

frag420 wrote: »

techically is not a word!!

Technically it is though.

PeteFalk78

frag420 wrote: »

techically is not a word!!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63152137&postcount=20

The Moldy Gowl

frag420 wrote: »

techically is not a word!!

Sorry, I was making a little brown fish and my mind was preoccupado

conorhal

So 'news' is the mutterings of some old fart to a primary school class on the other side of the world now is it?

Jesus feckin' Christ..won't sombody bun the indo to the ground?

vicwatson

conorhal wrote: »

So 'news' is the mutterings of some old fart to a primary school class on the other side of the world now is it?

Jesus feckin' Christ..won't sombody bun the indo to the ground?

Bun the indo? What?

EDIT - BURN !!

eviltwin

Very insensitive comments but I'd be more angry he said it to a group of children. What kind of message is that to give a child?

wp_rathead

I do like Sarah Silverman's 10 Rape Preventions for Men

SEPT 23 1989

Don't think Jesus would agree with anything these men come out with

The Backwards Man

Good advice.

We all too readily forget that rapists, murderers and twisted sickos have hours of operation and codes of conduct that are rigidly adhered to.

Grab All Association

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

But in fairness he's not wrong. Techically if she wasn't out she wouldn't have died.

A friend of mine in America said she once seen two guys try rape a woman on a bus in the middle of the day.

On Crimewatch a couple of weeks ago it showed footage of an old pervert exposing himself to a child in a toy store.

In Laois a few weeks ago a sex offender tried to abduct a little girl only the braveness of her younger brother to not let go of the car door she was able to escape.

Crime can happen at any time of the day.

Catholic church is famous for protecting people like this.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

But in fairness he's not wrong. Techically if she wasn't out she wouldn't have died.

If you want to get all technical on it, even if she hadn't been out she would have died eventually. Pertinent point is that he felt it more appropriate to emphasise to a group of children the lack of faith that she apparently had and which was the cause of her death, over any lack of faith that a violent rapist and murderer had. Were one in the mood one could argue that it was he who was responsible for her death, and that a priest might be presumed to have more of a moral problem with rape and murder than being out late at night.

Grab All Association

Another thing to add can we please just drop it. The mans an idiot with the typical RCC mentality of always blaming the victims. Out of respect to Jill and her friends and family can we please not have another thread going over and over what happened.

NotYourYear20

Chris___ wrote: »

he mans an idiot with the typical RCC mentality of always blaming the victims.

And if you think that is exclusive to the RCC? One look at the Irish judicial system should hopefully enlighten you.

Tombi!

frag420 wrote: »

techically is not a word!!

Mod: And someone could point out your grammar isn't perfect. Which means the thread gets off topic even more.
So don't be grammer natzi

PopePalpatine

I'm just waiting for a drive-by post from one of the usual suspects, the sort of ultramontanist who's offended when others are offended by something like that "Sounds of Sodomy" leaflet.

kneemos

Just sounds like the old scaremongering tactics they used back in the day.
Be "good"boys and girls or bad things will happen to you kind of thing.

galljga1

@er of the year nominations?

Frank Bullitt

The RCC, forever sticking its nose into normals people lives.

The sooner these sinister virgins stop preaching garbage, the better.

Ghost Buster

Priests get a calling from God.
Why is he calling insensitive unintelligent misogynists?

Thelomen Toblackai

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Priests get a calling from God.
Why is he calling insensitive unintelligent misogynists?

Who better to preach the insensitive, unintelligent and misogynistic words of the lord ?

BlaasForRafa

CarpeDiem85 wrote: »

While I don't agree with what he said, I do think that a lot of women (and men) I know put themselves in very unsafe situations. I used to live on Aungier St in town and if I was out socialising on Harcourt St, I would still take a taxi home. Taxi drivers would get thick that it was only around the corner but I didn't care. I would never walk home on my own late at night. I am going to drill this message into my daughter when she gets older. You can never be too careful and there are far too many opportunistics out there who are only too willing to take advantage if they got half a chance.

And of course taxi drivers have never raped any of their clients.

You just don't know when someone is going to do something like this, it could be at 3am, it could be at 3pm, it could be someone that is a nutter or someone ostensibly incredibly trustworthy. Not so long ago in the UK there was a cancer doctor jailed for abusing dozens of children that were in his care, it's not always the scumbags who do this stuff.

MRnotlob606

Fratton Fred wrote: »

If you're 50 and never had so much as a **** in your entire life, your brain must become ****ed up, surely.

We are supposed to believe that they never had one in their lives ? If they didn't their scrotums would be like giant inflatable balloons.

Jezek

CarpeDiem85 wrote: »

While I don't agree with what he said, I do think that a lot of women (and men) I know put themselves in very unsafe situations. I used to live on Aungier St in town and if I was out socialising on Harcourt St, I would still take a taxi home. Taxi drivers would get thick that it was only around the corner but I didn't care. I would never walk home on my own late at night. I am going to drill this message into my daughter when she gets older. You can never be too careful and there are far too many opportunistics out there who are only too willing to take advantage if they got half a chance.

this makes it sound that rape is a crime of opportunity- that there are loads of guys out there that would rape, if they had the chance. That's crazy. Women shouldn't be constantly worried that they will get raped - it's very sad that they do, and the fault of the rapists but also societies that have allowed rapists to carry on by covering their crimes etc. In fact most guys would never think about raping someone. A minority obviously have something wrong with them, but while a reasonable amount of vigilance is just a common sense way to be, living with a huge weight of fear is no way to be. As a society we should evolve beyond that and create a society where women don't have to be fearful.

In my opinion the most important lesson to teach one's children is respect for other people, maybe that would reduce the number of rapes. Women always being paranoid and on the lookout might stop a minority of rapes but most rapes aren't the kind you are portraying in your post.

Dave_The_Sheep

Well, he apologised, sort of.

“I take [the ‘idiotic’ comment] no problem, I am humble.

“When I came to know she was a nice Irish Catholic I felt very sad about the comment,” he added.

Implying of course, if she wasn't a nice Irish Catholic, then he meant what he said, and she deserved it for not being at home in bed.

Jesus wept.

Fr_Dougal

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Well, he apologised, sort of.



Implying of course, if she wasn't a nice Irish Catholic, then he meant what he said, and she deserved it for not being at home in bed.

Jesus wept.

He completely apologised:

“I am very remorseful it came out like that, I am very apologetic and I ask for pardon, I apologise sincerely, especially to all the Irish people and especially to all those for whom Jill Meagher has been and is so dear,” Fr Joseph told RTE Radio One’s John Murray show.

And that's from the article you quoted.

Dave_The_Sheep

The "sort of" was in reference to: “When I came to know she was a nice Irish Catholic I felt very sad about the comment,” he added.

efb

Them fecking altar boys were too sexy

Stark

Chris___ wrote: »

A friend of mine in America said she once seen two guys try rape a woman on a bus in the middle of the day.

Well if she hadn't been out without her husband...

galljga1

Stark wrote: »

Well if she hadn't been out without her husband...

Often, I hear people quote "if we hadn't given women the vote etc etc". I think it all started when we gave them shoes.

kylith

galljga1 wrote: »

Often, I hear people quote "if we hadn't given women the vote etc etc". I think it all started when we gave them shoes.

Teaching us to talk, that's when the trouble started.

galljga1

kylith wrote: »

Teaching us to talk, that's when the trouble started.

You could have a point but seriously, this and others of his way of thinking really need to be put down. Not sure whether there are more or less of them that there were let's say thirty years ago.

Egginacup

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

But in fairness he's not wrong. Techically if she wasn't out she wouldn't have died.

If she wasn't in Australia she wouldn't have died there either.

SeanW

wprathead wrote: »

I do like Sarah Silverman's 10 Rape Preventions for Men

Yes "forward this to all the men in your life" because all men are potential rapists?

Perhaps I should write a "10 ways not to be a gangster thug" fill it with crude stereotypes and forward it to all the black people I know?

Or how about a "10 ways not to be a terrorist" and send it to a bunch of Muslims? Or (for balance) how about "10 ways not to be a Zionist murderer of Palestinians" and send to a bunch of Jews?

Not a good idea? That would be offensive? Crass? Discriminatory? Disproportionate?

LDN_Irish

Sean, it's a parody of the tips given to women to avoid being raped. It's not genuine advice to prevent men from raping women.

Nodin

kylith wrote: »

Teaching us to talk, that's when the trouble started.

That was bad, but when we let yez learn to read we fucked it up altogether.

PopePalpatine

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Sean, it's a parody of the tips given to women to avoid being raped. It's not genuine advice to prevent men from raping women.

Any excuse for a rant about "ERMAHGERD FEMINAZIS!"

SeanW

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Sean, it's a parody of the tips given to women to avoid being raped. It's not genuine advice to prevent men from raping women.

I would have thought that there was a big difference between giving people advice on how to avoid being victims of crime (which I would have thought a good idea for everyone, men and women in all societal groups) and crude stereotyping and guilt by association.

Even as a joke, this list would not be accepted for any other group. And rightly so.

Nodin

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Any excuse for a rant about "ERMAHGERD FEMINAZIS!"

Won't be laughin when they cut off your lad and offer it to their full-bosomed dark goddess.

kylith

SeanW wrote: »

I would have thought that there was a big difference between giving people advice on how to avoid being victims of crime (which I would have thought a good idea for everyone, men and women in all societal groups) and crude stereotyping and guilt by association.

Even as a joke, this list would not be accepted for any other group. And rightly so.

Well Sean, there's tips on how to avoid being the victim of crime, and then there's victim blaming: telling someone that it's their own fault they were mugged because they had their wallet with them or own a nice watch, which is what a lot of 'rape advice' boils down to - Don't dress attractively, don't go anywhere on your own, don't draw attention to yourself*. Focussing on what the victim did 'wrong' instead of what most people would consider obvious - the leading cause of rape is rapists, not miniskirts.

It's like if the 'avoiding being a victim of crime' advice was to leave all your belongings in a safe at home at all times because if you take them out of course someone will rob them. And you can never tell anyone about any nice things you own either in case they follow you home and rob you.

*While simultaneously dressing attractively because if you don't you're 'letting yourself down' and being frumpy, being independent because no-one likes a clingy woman, and being vivacious and outgoing.

SeanW

It's like if the 'avoiding being a victim of crime' advice was to leave all your belongings in a safe at home at all times because if you take them out of course someone will rob them. And you can never tell anyone about any nice things you own either in case they follow you home and rob you.

That would be good advice in South Africa for example, maybe Russia, Ciudad Juarez in Mexico and other parts of the world as well.

But even if it were not, where do you draw the line?

Take a hypothetical scenario.

If a man walks down a rough street in Finglas at night with a €500 smartphone hanging out of his pocket, connected to headphones, who walks past a gang of dodgy characters in a dark section by broken streetlights while looking like he's half asleep, barely looking at where he's going let alone his surroundings, do you think his chances of leaving that street without being robbed/assaulted are very good? I would say no, that would most likely be the prelude to a robbery.

It would be correct to say that he had a right to do this and the only people to blame were the hoods, but it would also be correct to say that the entire incident could have been avoided by the victim from the first.

It would not be correct to say that the victim was could have done nothing differently and that the response should be to "teach" all Finglassians not to be robbing scumbags.

Such an approach would not only be offensive, condescending and hateful, it would also be doomed to fail. Yet feminist cries of "teach men not to rape" are broadly accepted?

galljga1

Nodin wrote: »

Won't be laughin when they cut off your lad and offer it to their full-bosomed dark goddess.

"full-bosomed dark goddess"...... I want in.

floggg

Tinley Spicy Cigar wrote: »

If you want to get all technical on it, even if she hadn't been out she would have died eventually. Pertinent point is that he felt it more appropriate to emphasise to a group of children the lack of faith that she apparently had and which was the cause of her death, over any lack of faith that a violent rapist and murderer had. Were one in the mood one could argue that it was he who was responsible for her death, and that a priest might be presumed to have more of a moral problem with rape and murder than being out late at night.

His lack of faith had nothing to do with his decision to rape, just as many cleric abusers abundant faith had nothing to do with their decision.

The idea that faith is the only thing keeping our sadistic, murderous or unhealthy sexual urges in check is offensive to believers and atheists alike.

Reoil

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Mod: And someone could point out your grammar isn't perfect. Which means the thread gets off topic even more.
So don't be grammer natzi

It's "Nazi", not "Natzi". And it's a proper noun, so should start with a capital letter, and as it's the end of a sentence, it should end with a full stop.

*runs out of the room*

lazygal

Reoil wrote: »

It's "Nazi", not "Natzi". And it's a proper noun, so should start with a capital letter, and as it's the end of a sentence, it should end with a full stop.

*runs out of the room*

Are you aloud (sic) to start a sentence with "And"?

galljga1

lazygal wrote: »

Are you aloud (sic) to start a sentence with "And"?

Yes: example

And is a conjunction used to blah, blah, blah.

Expecting slap from Brutal for being off topic.

Now back to discussing this fine gentleman.