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Battlefield Hardline

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    DarkJager wrote: »
    Is the K10 really that OP?? I've just compared it against the MPX and UMP 45 stats and would still take either of them over it. Is the RPM the problem?

    K10 is pretty ridiculous alright. Actually have moved over to it from the MX5, as I was convinced it would be patched on the fly.

    The range and accuracy is disgusting along with ROF


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    DarkJager wrote: »
    Is the K10 really that OP?? I've just compared it against the MPX and UMP 45 stats and would still take either of them over it. Is the RPM the problem?

    Yes, it is all I use when playing Cops. It is a ridiculous gun. The rate of fire would be ok if they dropped the damage right down. For example the P90 is only 29 per bullet and the K10 is currently 34 + 1200 RPM makes it laughable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    Hate when developers mess with guns a week or so after release. Are they not tested? Yes the K10/M16s are good guns & best in class but they're not game breaking.
    It's not like I suddenly become a monster once I equip the K10 (although some kills are a bit ridiculous)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,792 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    Hate when developers mess with guns a week or so after release. Are they not tested? Yes the K10/M16s are good guns & best in class but they're not game breaking.
    It's not like I suddenly become a monster once I equip the K10 (although some kills are a bit ridiculous)

    If they're OP why would they not rebalance them? It would just be nonsensical not to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    but that's the point I don't think they are. They're good but that's it. If a shotgun can OHK from across the map that's op and game breaking but these guns are simply slightly better than their peers. You'd do just as well with the AK - UMP - P90.
    I've only played it a couple of days and not really tried a lot of the guns.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    but that's the point I don't think they are. They're good but that's it. If a shotgun can OHK from across the map that's op and game breaking but these guns are simply slightly better than their peers. You'd do just as well with the AK - UMP - P90.
    I've only played it a couple of days and not really tried a lot of the guns.

    But 1 v 1, the K10 would destroy the UMP, P90, AK due to its rate of fire and the DPB.

    For example, the K10 currently has a damage of 34 per bullet to the chest area. So that would be 3x34 = kill. With a ROF of 1200RPM you would be dead in about .25 of a second if all 3 shots hit the chest area. And remember the damage is doubled if you are hit in the head so you would be killed instantly.

    They need to reduce the damage of the K10 so it takes circa 4 bullets to kill an enemy in the chest area. Bringing the damage down to 28/29 and leaving the ROF at 1200RPM would balance the gun. Another way to balance the gun would be to bring the damage down to 25 per bullet and increase the clip size to 30.

    Either way, it is the most OP SMG in the game in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭MajesticDonkey


    The K10 is OP. Balance of most weapons is crap. If you can't see that you need to stop playing the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,409 ✭✭✭✭gimli2112


    The K10 is OP. Balance of most weapons is crap. If you can't see that you need to stop playing the game.


    Why would I stop playing the game if I'm enjoying it?
    Just because I don't think the K10 is OP?
    Every shooter is the same - people crying about this gun or that. It's distressing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    Im a chopper man upgraded main guns for my pillion gunners , once i get a few in that know what they are doing I usually break 0 kills 0 deaths but end up on teh top for all the assists i get.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    The K10 is OP. Balance of most weapons is crap. If you can't see that you need to stop playing the game.

    I am enjoying the game, I am not going to stop playing it. I am only pointing out what I am experiencing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭DeWinterZero


    In close quarter combat against 2-3 opponents K10 is OP. Enemy have no chance unless their waiting for me :D. I feel guilty using it but I miss it when I play crims. P90 is better outside against more widely spaced opponents since you're not trying to reload under fire.

    Currently have 500 kills with K10 and 512 with P90.

    M16A3 just needs a bit of recoil and needs to lose the extended mag.
    Most of the times snipers kill me its ambush kills with G18 or Mac10s.

    Support weapons seem the most balanced so far. Shotguns lethal if you hit enemy up close, a quick death if you miss. Deaths due to battle rifles are increasing as people are getting used to them and stop trying to use them like assault rifles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    gimli2112 wrote: »
    Why would I stop playing the game if I'm enjoying it?
    Just because I don't think the K10 is OP?
    Every shooter is the same - people crying about this gun or that. It's distressing.

    Totally fine is gun balance isn't something your interested in and you take every death as just a death.

    But some of us are able to spot things like imbalance and issues, and being a discussion forum those things are going to be discussed.

    Critical to an FPS game that's entire benchmark is multiplayer, is gun balance. Every online game has balance issues that need addressing, that really shouldn't need explaining. Units in Starcraft, Classes in WoW, guns in BF.

    There are some blatantly obvious OP guns in BFH. I've fully moved over to the K10 now from the MX5, and it's been utterly ridiculous. The rate of fire, accuracy, range and groupings (and recoil control) are simply ridiculous.

    All guns don't need to be the same, some can have niche use, but they shouldn't be outrageously different. Unfortunately when BF and CoD brought in levelling up as a thing, it means ensuring unlocks and purchased weapons are stronger then the base.

    Personally I hate that, as I prefer to choose a kit I like the look of and have a preference to, but at the moment I'm very much pidgeoned into taking the K10 as Mechanic and the M16/416 as Operator.

    Have barely touched the sniping class or support.

    Went onto a large conquest game last night to try it out. This game is simply not optimised for 64v64. The map we were on was basically everyone playing sniper and you couldn't advance on territory without being picked off from miles away.

    Second map rotation we took an early lead, and the entire mapresulted in us boxing in the enemy onto essentially their spawn point causing havoc.

    64v64, the bread and butter and selling point of BF, simply doesn't work in this game. Very disappointing....

    I'm getting my enjoyment out of it, but probably only a few weeks worth. When Battlefest for BF4 starts this will be put aside as I go back to Bf4 I'd imagine


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    I need new BF friends dammit, plz add Bliss IRL if ya wanna good chopper pilot for Hardline or good damage fodder for BF4 .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    dbit wrote: »
    I need new BF friends dammit, plz add Bliss IRL if ya wanna good chopper pilot for Hardline or good damage fodder for BF4 .

    Xbox One or PS4?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    logik wrote: »
    Xbox One or PS4?

    XB1 sorry forget my head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    dbit wrote: »
    XB1 sorry forget my head.

    Yeah, I will add you. Welcome to squad up with myself and 2-3 others.

    What game modes do you play?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    logik wrote: »
    Yeah, I will add you. Welcome to squad up with myself and 2-3 others.

    What game modes do you play?

    Mostly hotwire , rescue and conquest , I'll play anything once i learn to sit and wait .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6I27mJyZi0 im just like Noob !


    Dip Dip Tata Chip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    You will fit right in so :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 35 Ch1co


    Lads do you mind adding me also? XB1 gt Ch1co123. I play mostly conquest but don't really mind playing the others too. Cheers!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Ch1co wrote: »
    Lads do you mind adding me also? XB1 gt Ch1co123. I play mostly conquest but don't really mind playing the others too. Cheers!

    No problem.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    adding now via web login Ch1co123 and i dont know your gamer tag logic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    dbit wrote: »
    adding now via web login Ch1co123 and i dont know your gamer tag logic.

    I have added you both, you will get requests on xbox live. cheers


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    logik wrote: »
    I have added you both, you will get requests on xbox live. cheers

    we dont get reqs anymore, you just add to the fray of already added friends PM me the nick then at least . I cannot pick you out of my list.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    NM found you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,435 ✭✭✭wandatowell


    The auld shotguns have a fierce range on them :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,213 ✭✭✭MajesticDonkey


    logik wrote: »
    I am enjoying the game, I am not going to stop playing it. I am only pointing out what I am experiencing.

    My post wasn't aimed specifically at you, or anyone else for that matter. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    My post wasn't aimed specifically at you, or anyone else for that matter. :)


    Feeeeel THE Love.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    Logic will you be on this eve ? still waiting on some of my typical crew picking up Hardline so ill invest in you guys providing you have the room .


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Ctrl Alt Delete


    SMGs don't really need a damage or rate of fire balance at all. What they do need is a nerfing on their effective range as there doesnt seem to be fall off in damage over distance and an SMG can outgun an assult rifle over range which is stupid silly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    To anyone still doubting Battlefront being released this year:

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    Their Official FB page is here too for those interested:https://www.facebook.com/EAStarWars

    Also for their newletter sign up, they have 31 countries in the dropdown list but not Ireland. You'd think with having offices here, we'd get more recognition!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    Just hit level 150, 24th person in the World to do so on XB1, second Irishman & boardsie I believe ;)

    Now, time to go outside and get some fresh air :D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 ✭✭DeWinterZero


    More patch notes. No release date as yet.

    BUG FIXES:
    - Fixed a server crash in Rescue
    - Increased the character limit in the MapList to support up to 150 maps in a rotation
    - You can now set the time limit to 0 and it disables the time limit instead of instantly ending the round in Blood Money
    - Various fixes for server crashes with rental servers (multiple issues addressed)
    - Fix for the timer in Conquest freezing when the user set the time limit higher than 800
    - Fix for MP squad join issue where after the squad leader gets disconnected, a new leader cannot kick members or disband
    - Fix for the patch awarded in released game for reaching Rank 10 in the Beta
    - Fix for Derailed Levolution where players were teleported to origin of Point B and killed in some circumstances
    - Fix for crash if the UI is disabled in the .cfg file
    - Fix for Bloodmoney exploit in HH where players could access the money pile through the floor/roof
    - Fix on XB1 for players using invite/join on friend after Quickmatching
    - Fix for the Uzi's weapon license cost, setting it to the correct value of $50,000
    - Fix for X360 players being unable to invite friends while playing Rescue
    - Fix for a rare crash in the Customize screen
    - All platforms, miscellaneous low frequency crash fixes


    GAMEPLAY CHANGES:
    - Conquest tickets increased (CQL 999, CQS 600)
    - Greatly decreased nearby bullet impact flinch; your aimpoint will not shift from rounds striking the environment near you
    - Fixed some issues with FLIR/IRNV
    - RPG reduced to 1 ammo from back of cars, with smaller explosion radius overall thus requiring more skill to use effectively
    - TDM friendzones have been adjusted for better spawning
    - Rescue / Crosshair exploit where players could skip the round start time by hitting START or ESC has been fixed
    - Couch health reduced and repair rate decreased to a miniscule amount, making the Couch the one-off it was intended
    - Player should no longer Quickmatch into servers with unsupported numbers of players
    - K10: Reduce max damage to 33 and min damage to 8
    - Saiga and PTR: reduce recoil to bring more in line with Cop faction DMRs
    - HCAR and HK51: reduce recoil to bring more in line with SCAR-H and SA-58
    - .410 Jury: Increase damage per pellet to become more effective
    - FMG-9: increase damage per round to 25 and push out falloff start range to make these weapons more effective
    - Battlerifle min damage increased to 25 across the board
    - AKM min damage reduced to 24

    http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bfh/forum/threadview/2955064791152946448/


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Ctrl Alt Delete


    MiskyBoyy wrote: »
    Just hit level 150, 24th person in the World to do so on XB1, second Irishman & boardsie I believe ;)

    100 gold stars on Hotwire ??? **** that was some boosting :P:P:P:P:P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    dbit wrote: »
    Logic will you be on this eve ? still waiting on some of my typical crew picking up Hardline so ill invest in you guys providing you have the room .

    Was on alright, on most nights, feel free to drop in whenever. Was playing with some other boardies last night. We got our as*es handed to us but was a good laugh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    logik wrote: »
    Was on alright, on most nights, feel free to drop in whenever. Was playing with some other boardies last night. We got our as*es handed to us but was a good laugh.


    Ye the other fella that was on Ch1coxxx or whatever joined me for a game or two same we were being torn apart , Two doesn't cut it for that game , All BF games are pretty much determined by how many you have in your party or team. I did however get a random message that read "TW1G5Y3/31/2015, 9:09:51 PMExpires in 30 days
    You the bollox flying that chopper,well played !."

    TW1G5Y3/31/2015, 9:19:47 PMExpires in 30 days
    You deserved more points than what you got,takes a lot of skill to fly that chopper,your the best I have seen flying that


    As stated i dont come away with much score but my pillion passengers always do very well and enjoy the slaughter. Now my head is fahookin mahoosive !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    dbit wrote: »
    Ye the other fella that was on Ch1coxxx or whatever joined me for a game or two same we were being torn apart , Two doesn't cut it for that game , All BF games are pretty much determined by how many you have in your party or team. I did however get a random message that read "TW1G5Y3/31/2015, 9:09:51 PMExpires in 30 days
    You the bollox flying that chopper,well played !."

    TW1G5Y3/31/2015, 9:19:47 PMExpires in 30 days
    You deserved more points than what you got,takes a lot of skill to fly that chopper,your the best I have seen flying that


    As stated i dont come away with much score but my pillion passengers always do very well and enjoy the slaughter. Now my head is fahookin mahoosive !

    You play conquest only? The 4 of us last night could have done with a troop carrier to lift us out of choke points with money on our backs, or even a get away driver.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    logik wrote: »
    You play conquest only? The 4 of us last night could have done with a troop carrier to lift us out of choke points with money on our backs, or even a get away driver.

    Nope i play all of it, mostly hotwire, Rescue and conquest. Conquest large is a fookin joke though, sniper fest.

    How do you get the K10 ? is it special a weapon via pay to win ? or delivered from pre purchasing something ( I'll bet it is ) as per it being OP.?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    No K10 is available as a Mechanic on the Cops side. You just need to buy it, I think it is around 15000 or 18000.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    logik wrote: »
    No K10 is available as a Mechanic on the Cops side. You just need to buy it, I think it is around 15000 or 18000.

    I must be gone mad then , I looked i have the ump45 , the p90 and i use the mpx. On the other side i use the ak . I dont see it as an option when playing cops in the mechanic ? do i have to unlock it the only item locked for me is the FMG9 ????


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    logik wrote: »
    Yeah, tis me. Do you normally play in squads? I am on most nights with my 2 brothers. Would be good to get a squad going.

    hope you didnt mind me hopping in last night, apologies for being so bad, trying to find my battlefield legs again after a month off from playing FPS games. I'll get (marginally) better, I promise :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    hope you didnt mind me hopping in last night, apologies for being so bad, trying to find my battlefield legs again after a month off from playing FPS games. I'll get (marginally) better, I promise :p

    Seems there is plenty here for a squad ! no ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    hope you didnt mind me hopping in last night, apologies for being so bad, trying to find my battlefield legs again after a month off from playing FPS games. I'll get (marginally) better, I promise :p

    Not at all mate, we all got our as*es kicked! :pac: with dbit as a pilot I can get my other brother to join and make a squad of 5. Should be able to do some damage then. As long as we are having a bit of craic :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    logik wrote: »
    Not at all mate, we all got our as*es kicked! :pac: with dbit as a pilot I can get my other brother to join and make a squad of 5. Should be able to do some damage then. As long as we are having a bit of craic :D

    Slap amo on the side of chopper and noob tube away from non gunner points !!!
    Also works on bonnets of vehicles high speed noob tube tanks !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    Dip dip !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    K10 nerf, well expected. Get that OPness in while it lasts haha

    RPG change is nice as well, the explosion radius on it was ridiculous in Hotwire. Should require a direct vehicle hit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,799 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    100 gold stars on Hotwire ??? **** that was some boosting :P:P:P:P:P

    You're telling me! I was playing it because it obviously has the best payout and XP but I genuinely love that mode too :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,707 ✭✭✭Corvo


    I'm finding Hardline ok at the moment. Its a mixture of a few things -

    1) Im not very good at FPS
    2) The one's I have been good at (previous Battlefields) have a slower pace
    3) This does seem slightly unbalanced

    Taking all that into account, its no surprise I love Rescue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    Corvo wrote: »
    I'm finding Hardline ok at the moment. Its a mixture of a few things -

    1) Im not very good at FPS
    2) The one's I have been good at (previous Battlefields) have a slower pace
    3) This does seem slightly unbalanced

    Taking all that into account, its no surprise I love Rescue.

    Rescue is very Counter Strike like.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭dbit


    All i will need joining you logik is someone with boosted repair torch , Ill go with amo and stick it on the side of the chopper.

    Will require someone poised to take pilot seat while i fix the amo and then poised to let me slip into pilot seat again .


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