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Garda released without charge after crash

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  • #122
    crusier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭crusier


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I'm what Rednecks call a "reader" ............ :rolleyes:

    Of fiction!


  • #123
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,910 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I'm what Rednecks call a "reader" ............ :rolleyes:

    [Bill Hicks]What ye reading for?[/Bill Hicks]


  • #124
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    crusier wrote: »
    Of fiction!

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-far-less-likely-to-be-convicted-in-court-than-the-general-public-1.1823204

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/garda-sergeant-convicted-of-assault-loses-challenge-against-dismissal-30761061.html


  • #125
    crusier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭crusier


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-far-less-likely-to-be-convicted-in-court-than-the-general-public-1.1823204

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/garda-sergeant-convicted-of-assault-loses-challenge-against-dismissal-30761061.html

    Did the driver of the car assault someone?


  • #126
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-far-less-likely-to-be-convicted-in-court-than-the-general-public-1.1823204

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/garda-sergeant-convicted-of-assault-loses-challenge-against-dismissal-30761061.html

    I wonder are they more likely to be brought before the courts though? Is there an element of them being held to a higher standard by GSOC/DPP and then a judge applies leniency regardless?


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  • #127
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,058 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    sdanseo wrote: »
    I wonder are they more likely to be brought before the courts though? Is there an element of them being held to a higher standard by GSOC/DPP and then a judge applies leniency regardless?

    I was wondering if the problem for the judge if he convicts and jails them is where to then put them?
    They would probably be assaulted in prisons by other inmates because of their jobs.


  • #128
    crusier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭crusier


    sdanseo wrote: »
    I wonder are they more likely to be brought before the courts though? Is there an element of them being held to a higher standard by GSOC/DPP and then a judge applies leniency regardless?

    Many of the cases would never be taken against civilians and the DPP would direct no prosecution, however the attitude of the DPP seems to be to let the cases into court and let a judge or jury dismiss it and the DPP's office cannot be accused of not supporting a prosecution, that's why so many cases are lost - they shouldn't be there in the first place!


  • #129
    Potential-Monke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,514 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    GSOC has admitted that Guards are not only uncooperative during investigations but downright hostile .........

    Social media .......... lots of huff & puff but no real threat to Guards.

    Camera's ......... do not see everything.

    And GSOC are the beacon of perfection...

    Social media is more of a threat than you think.

    And cameras don't see everything, but they see enough to make someone think twice before acting.


  • #130
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    And GSOC are the beacon of perfection...

    Social media is more of a threat than you think.

    And cameras don't see everything, but they see enough to make someone think twice before acting.

    Therefore GSOC is ineffective ...........

    Examples of Social Media stopping corruption in AGS please?

    Any links to footage of AGS corruption?


  • #131
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Therefore GSOC is ineffective ...........

    Examples of Social Media stopping corruption in AGS please?

    Any links to footage of AGS corruption?

    I've seen videos which seem to show Gardaí acting harshly and seen videos showing Gardaí acting exceptionally well. Mostly the latter.

    Unfortunately almost all of the videos were followed by comments labelling the Guards as scum and other assorted names. This is the type of uneducated twat that you deal with when you talk about people who film the Guards (or any other Police force) seemingly just to find fault.

    I'm not saying that they don't sometimes - and rightly so - catch out people abusing their authority. It annoys me though that the vast majority of cop-filming seems to be intended against them when no such intention is justified.


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  • #132
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    sdanseo wrote: »
    I've seen videos which seem to show Gardaí acting harshly and seen videos showing Gardaí acting exceptionally well. Mostly the latter.

    Unfortunately almost all of the videos were followed by comments labelling the Guards as scum and other assorted names. This is the type of uneducated twat that you deal with when you talk about people who film the Guards (or any other Police force) seemingly just to find fault.

    I've seen those videos too but that's not really what we're discussing here .......... where's the videos of Guards seizing "stolen" goods from certain groups of people in society because they have no proof of purchase only for those same "stolen" goods to go home with a Garda......... where's the videos of Guards taking alcohol off under-age drinkers only for that alcohol to be then drank at a Guard's summer bbq .......... where's the videos of Guards letting their family/friends off with a wink & a nod ............ where's the videos of the Guards assaulting handcuffed "suspects" in the back of a squad car down a quiet lane way .............. where's the videos of Guards "losing" and "finding" evidence????? Where's the videos of Guards turning a blind-eye to all of this?

    Oh wait, there are no videos because none of these things actually happen ............. :rolleyes:


  • #133
    crusier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭crusier


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I've seen those videos too but that's not really what we're discussing here .......... where's the videos of Guards seizing "stolen" goods from certain groups of people in society because they have no proof of purchase only for those same "stolen" goods to go home with a Garda......... where's the videos of Guards taking alcohol off under-age drinkers only for that alcohol to be then drank at a Guard's summer bbq .......... where's the videos of Guards letting their family/friends off with a wink & a nod ............ where's the videos of the Guards assaulting handcuffed "suspects" in the back of a squad car down a quiet lane way .............. where's the videos of Guards "losing" and "finding" evidence????? Where's the videos of Guards turning a blind-eye to all of this?

    Oh wait, there are no videos because none of these things actually happen ............. :rolleyes:

    Did one of them take you cans?


  • #134
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    crusier wrote: »
    Did one of them take you cans?

    No but I've drank one of those cans .......... at a bbq in a Guards back garden ........ big laugh when I was told where the drink came from ....... the only problem was not everybody was laughing, mostly just the other Guards.


  • #135
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I've seen those videos too but that's not really what we're discussing here .......... where's the videos of Guards seizing "stolen" goods from certain groups of people in society because they have no proof of purchase only for those same "stolen" goods to go home with a Garda......... where's the videos of Guards taking alcohol off under-age drinkers only for that alcohol to be then drank at a Guard's summer bbq .......... where's the videos of Guards letting their family/friends off with a wink & a nod ............ where's the videos of the Guards assaulting handcuffed "suspects" in the back of a squad car down a quiet lane way .............. where's the videos of Guards "losing" and "finding" evidence????? Where's the videos of Guards turning a blind-eye to all of this?

    Oh wait, there are no videos because none of these things actually happen ............. :rolleyes:

    Corruption happens in every walk of life and when people keep doing it they get caught out. It's completely wrong, but you're asking for evidence of people doing things they know to be wrong to be handed to you on a silver platter.

    You're accusing them of being corrupt. Doesn't mean they're stupid.


  • #136
    crusier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭crusier


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    No but I've drank one of those cans .......... at a bbq in a Guards back garden ........ big laugh when I was told where the drink came from ....... the only problem was not everybody was laughing, mostly just the other Guards.

    But you drank it?


  • #137
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    sdanseo wrote: »
    Corruption happens in every walk of life and when people keep doing it they get caught out. It's completely wrong, but you're asking for evidence of people doing things they know to be wrong to be handed to you on a silver platter.

    You're accusing them of being corrupt. Doesn't mean they're stupid.

    Actually if you read the thread I'm saying exactly that ......... another poster believes that corruption is all but non-existent nowadays because cameras would capture this corruption on film .......... I'm saying it won't/doesn't because, as you said, being corrupt doesn't make you stupid.


  • #138
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    crusier wrote: »
    But you drank it?

    Yes ......... then I was told where it came from followed by a big chuckle from the host.


  • #139
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    crusier wrote: »
    Did the driver of the car assault someone?

    Did he assault any of the three people who were hospitalised after he ploughed into them leaving them lucky to be alive? No he didn't as far as I know :rolleyes:


  • #140
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    crusier wrote: »
    Many of the cases would never be taken against civilians and the DPP would direct no prosecution, however the attitude of the DPP seems to be to let the cases into court and let a judge or jury dismiss it and the DPP's office cannot be accused of not supporting a prosecution, that's why so many cases are lost - they shouldn't be there in the first place!

    Which cases exactly should never be taken to court???


  • #141
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Actually if you read the thread I'm saying exactly that ......... another poster believes that corruption is all but non-existent nowadays because cameras would capture this corruption on film .......... I'm saying it won't/doesn't because, as you said, being corrupt doesn't make you stupid.

    And when there aren't cameras there are people like yourself to fill the gap. Incidentally, the stuff you mention rarely happens now. Property is heavily audited, both on paper and computer, and there have been disciplinary measures and prosecutions of people who do the things you've mentioned.

    You made a number of accusations and presented them as fact, yet you ask others to provide evidence of them for you and act as if the failure to do so is somehow vindication for you. I think it's fairly obvious you have a personal agenda mixed in with your righteous crusade that makes it difficult to try and discuss it rationally with you.


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  • #142
    joe swanson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭joe swanson


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    Which cases exactly should never be taken to court???

    How about this:

    http://m.rte.ie/news/2014/0106/496274-court-gardai-cork/


  • #143
    crusier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭crusier


    joe swanson wrote: »
    How about this:

    http://m.rte.ie/news/2014/0106/496274-court-gardai-cork/

    I didn't even go searching because nothing will make him happy, he must have fallen foul of the law at some stage to be so bitter, there's always a story behind the bitterness!


  • #144
    kerry4sam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    From what I know right now it is still 'suspicion of drink-driving'. Could their have been a mechanical fault in his vehicle? Could their have been a hazard of some kind on the road that he tried to avoid and just couldn't correct his car in time before this collision? I don't know.
    I do know I can take a positive from this: He was taken to the Garda Station. He knew the Guard working the original scene so I've no doubts that a favour was asked for, but denied. I don't know just how long it took to get it processed, but he was processed <- that's a positive in my eyes.

    I remember this one Guard I knew who couldn't even define honesty and I reported him for an incident to a unit Sgt. Not long after that he was giving evidence in Court with another colleague and the Judge just dismissed everything that Guard said. He brightened up my days for a while so it did that the Judge knew his antics.
    These Guards who brought this off-duty Guard to be processed are displaying what I'm seeing more & more of, a new era in Policing. The cogs are slowing turning within this organisation <- another positive in my eyes.

    A lot of Garda-bashing in here, but with so much yet to be made known. This incident could've happened anyone really; mechanical fault; distraction of some kind; an un-expected hazard throwing a driver off course. In this case, the driver just happens to be a Guard who was, let's not forget, processed at a station.

    Just my Thoughts,
    kerry4sam


  • #145
    Mesrine65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Mesrine65


    Unfortunately wherever there is power, corruption isn't far behind.

    I'd hazard a guess that corrupt Garda are a minority within the force, but the few bad apples that are there unfortunately muddy the reputation of the organisation.

    No one should underestimate the difficult job gardaí face daily, it is often a thankless task & one very few of us would have the cahones to do.


  • #146
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    And when there aren't cameras there are people like yourself to fill the gap. Incidentally, the stuff you mention rarely happens now. Property is heavily audited, both on paper and computer, and there have been disciplinary measures and prosecutions of people who do the things you've mentioned.

    You made a number of accusations and presented them as fact, yet you ask others to provide evidence of them for you and act as if the failure to do so is somehow vindication for you. I think it's fairly obvious you have a personal agenda mixed in with your righteous crusade that makes it difficult to try and discuss it rationally with you.
    crusier wrote: »
    I didn't even go searching because nothing will make him happy, he must have fallen foul of the law at some stage to be so bitter, there's always a story behind the bitterness!

    It might surprise you to know just how close I am to a number of people who are members of AGS ............. close enough to know the truth as it happens.


  • #147
    crusier
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭crusier


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    It might surprise you to know just how close I am to a number of people who are members of AGS ............. close enough to know the truth as it happens.

    Do ye have code words and stuff?


  • #148
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Mesrine65 wrote: »
    Unfortunately wherever there is power, corruption isn't far behind.

    I'd hazard a guess that corrupt Garda are a minority within the force, but the few bad apples that are there unfortunately muddy the reputation of the organisation.

    No one should underestimate the difficult job gardaí face daily, it is often a thankless task & one very few of us would have the cahones to do.

    I would agree with this ........... I think the real problem with AGS is not the corrupt Officers as they are an ever decreasing minority .......... it's the fact that the majority of Guards turn a blind eye to the corruption and, in many cases, assist or just "go along with" cover-ups.


  • #149
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    And when there aren't cameras there are people like yourself to fill the gap. Incidentally, the stuff you mention rarely happens now. Property is heavily audited, both on paper and computer, and there have been disciplinary measures and prosecutions of people who do the things you've mentioned.

    You made a number of accusations and presented them as fact, yet you ask others to provide evidence of them for you and act as if the failure to do so is somehow vindication for you. I think it's fairly obvious you have a personal agenda mixed in with your righteous crusade that makes it difficult to try and discuss it rationally with you.
    crusier wrote: »
    Do ye have code words and stuff?

    I think the high-lighted part of your post is an adequate response to you ..........


  • #150
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    MadDog76 wrote: »
    It might surprise you to know just how close I am to a number of people who are members of AGS ............. close enough to know the truth as it happens.
    MadDog76 wrote: »
    I think the high-lighted part of your post is an adequate response to you ..........

    I think that the fact you had to quote and respond to the same posts twice just to make a childish comment is pretty indicative of the thought you are putting into them. And I doubt you are as close to members of the AGS as you think you are.


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  • #151
    MadDog76
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,162 ✭✭✭MadDog76


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I think that the fact you had to quote and respond to the same posts twice just to make a childish comment is pretty indicative of the thought you are putting into them. And I doubt you are as close to members of the AGS as you think you are.

    Oh you doubt it do you ......... oh well then ........... I'll have to tell certain family members that we are no longer related and certain friends that we can no longer be friends .......... all because Lil Cuhicu doubts we're that close :rolleyes:


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