Garda released without charge after crash

durtybit · 24-03-2015 9:21am #1

The off-duty garda was arrested for drink-driving at around 11.20pm on Saturday night, when a garda car was struck by another vehicle on the hard shoulder of the N2 in Co Monaghan.

As the garda car stopped to help a driver whose car had broken down another car ploughed into the back of it.

The Garda car then rammed into the rear end of the car that had broken down.

Fire crews had to use specialist equipment to cut one of the officers from the smashed patrol car, before transferring him, along with his fellow officer and the driver of the broken down car, to hospital.

Their injuries were not life-threatening.

The driver of the third car drove away, but gardaí from Monaghan town later arrested him and found that he was an off-duty garda.

The garda, who was based at a station near the border, was "processed" at Monaghan Garda Station before being released without charge.

The Garda Siochana Ombudsman (GSOC) will investigate the incident.

(Some one is in trouble... or not )

Winty · 24-03-2015 9:27am

This is Sunday's News, have you anything new?

durtybit · 24-03-2015 9:29am

Winty wrote: »

This is Sunday's News, have you anything new?

Go check out the headlines

ShaShaBear · 24-03-2015 9:31am

We were headed to Carrick when the two squad cars came flying out past us. I think every soul on that road dropped about 30kmh in 2 seconds flat once they heard the sirens!

bjork · 24-03-2015 9:36am

Of course he did, he's a Garda

thebullkf · 24-03-2015 9:39am

So Garda left scene of an accident , that he caused, drunk . And was later released ???

AudreyHepburn · 24-03-2015 9:39am

He's not been charged at the moment but that doesn't he won't be be going forward.

As the article states the GSOC has yet to investigate the incident.

durtybit · 24-03-2015 9:40am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

He's not been charged at the moment but that doesn't he won't be be going forward.

As the article states the GSOC has yet to investigate the incident.

Surely if there was evidence they would have not let him go without charge? Or am I wrong in thinking that?

AudreyHepburn · 24-03-2015 9:42am

durtybit wrote: »

Surely if there was evidence they would have not let him go without charge? Or am I wrong in thinking that?

You often hear of that happening and then a file being sent to the DPP etc.

We all know it can take a while to prepare a case and bring it before the courts.

Easier just to jump to conclusions because he's Garda though isn't it?

ShaShaBear · 24-03-2015 9:42am

durtybit wrote: »

Surely if there was evidence they would have not let him go without charge? Or am I wrong in thinking that?

He was allegedly drink-driving. If they found out that he was not under the influence of any substances, I assume they would have to let him go? But obviously he didn't plough into those other cars in a hard shoulder for no reason, so they are probably trying to discern why? Was there a fault in the car? Did he do it intentionally? Etc.

SEPT 23 1989 · 24-03-2015 9:43am

without GSOC he would have been brought home not the station

durtybit · 24-03-2015 9:45am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Easier just to jump to conclusions because he's Garda though isn't it?

That conclusion stands for any case, Garda or not

bjork · 24-03-2015 9:52am

How's the investigation in to the missing money from the secure evidence room in the Garda Station coming along?

CSI still investigating that one? :pac:

AudreyHepburn · 24-03-2015 9:58am

durtybit wrote: »

That conclusion stands for any case, Garda or not

It should but it doesn't seem to.

If it was an ordinary punter people would be happy to accept his innocence.

Because this man is a Garda people automatically assume that a) he's guilty until proven innocent and b) he'll get off scott free simply by virtue of being a Garda.

skibum · 24-03-2015 9:58am

durtybit wrote: »

The off-duty garda was arrested for drink-driving at around 11.20pm on Saturday night, when a garda car was struck by another vehicle on the hard shoulder of the N2 in Co Monaghan.

Fire crews had to use specialist equipment to cut one of the officers from the smashed patrol car, before transferring him, along with his fellow officer and the driver of the broken down car, to hospital.

The driver of the third car drove away, but gardaí from Monaghan town later arrested him and found that he was an off-duty garda.

(Some one is in trouble... or not )

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/monaghan-crash-off-duty-garda-arrested-5383903#rlabs=1

According to this article he was arrested at the scene, don't think he would have got far with three wheels on his car.....

Can't see any evidence of fire crews cutting the patrol car open, they will usually remove the doors and roof, which are still on the car in the picture.

durtybit · 24-03-2015 10:00am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

No it doesn't.

If it was an ordinary punter people would be happy to accept his innocence.

Because this man is a Garda people automatically assume that a) he's guilty until proven innocent and b) he'll get off scott free simply by virtue of being a Garda.

That's your interpretation based on what? If it was an ordinary punter my question would remain the same.

Birneybau · 24-03-2015 10:00am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

He's not been charged at the moment but that doesn't he won't be be going forward.

As the article states the GSOC has yet to investigate the incident.

Going forward? What's wrong with 'in the future'? Jesus...

maxwell smart · 24-03-2015 10:01am

thebullkf wrote: »

So Garda left scene of an accident , that he caused, drunk . And was later released ???

I'm no fan of AGS but this is what usually happens with 'Justice' in this country. Look at all the toe rags with 9 million convictions out and about.

Don't think that they will forget about him or that he will skip the country. Sure he will probably be back at work this week. Doing check points. For drink driving.....:D

durtybit · 24-03-2015 10:03am

skibum wrote: »

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/monaghan-crash-off-duty-garda-arrested-5383903#rlabs=1

According to this article he was arrested at the scene, don't think he would have got far with three wheels on his car.....

Can't see any evidence of fire crews cutting the patrol car open, they will usually remove the doors and roof, which are still on the car in the picture.

I believe I have read another report where nobody was hurt. Can't say which to be true.

Wacker The Attacker · 24-03-2015 10:06am

Here's the real question.

What did you think was going to happen?

durtybit · 24-03-2015 10:11am

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Here's the real question.

What did you think was going to happen?

That's a very open ended question, I would rather follow the story and find out the truth.

Wacker The Attacker · 24-03-2015 10:13am

durtybit wrote: »

That's a very open ended question, I would rather follow the story and find out the truth.

Was he charged with drink driving?

durtybit · 24-03-2015 10:14am

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Was he charged with drink driving?

Answer is in the first post

AudreyHepburn · 24-03-2015 10:27am

Birneybau wrote: »

Going forward? What's wrong with 'in the future'? Jesus...

Nitpicking much?

Sorry my choice of words offends you so much :rolleyes:

Birneybau · 24-03-2015 10:39am

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Nitpicking much?

Sorry my choice of words offends you so much :rolleyes:

Well, it's a meaningless politician phrase. And yes, I am nitpicking.

Wacker The Attacker · 24-03-2015 10:41am

durtybit wrote: »

Answer is in the first post

That's a no then. So what happens now?

durtybit · 24-03-2015 10:42am

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

That's a no then. So what happens now?

That answer is also in the first post

Wacker The Attacker · 24-03-2015 10:44am

durtybit wrote: »

That answer is also in the first post

No it isn't. What actually happens next?

endacl · 24-03-2015 10:45am

Car crash thread.

:pac:

durtybit · 24-03-2015 10:46am

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

No it doesn't. What actually happens next?

You may have missed the last line

"The Garda Siochana Ombudsman (GSOC) will investigate the incident."

Wacker The Attacker · 24-03-2015 10:46am

durtybit wrote: »

You may have missed the last line

"The Garda Siochana Ombudsman (GSOC) will investigate the incident."

No I said what actually happens next?

You may have noticed that there was no mention of whether a sample was taken or not? If a sample was taken and he was over the limit why was he released without charge.

Suddenly it becomes a case of why he was released over why he was drunk behind the wheel.

durtybit · 24-03-2015 10:49am

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

No I said what actually happens next?

I can't really ring the barracks and ask can I ?

durtybit · 24-03-2015 10:51am

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

No I said what actually happens next?

You may have noticed that there was no mention of whether a sample was taken or not? If a sample was taken and he was over the limit why was he released without charge.

Suddenly it becomes a case of why he was released over why he was drunk behind the wheel.

Isn't that what the investigation is for?

bjork · 24-03-2015 10:51am

What happens next?

GSOC investigates> If they find him guilty, they get rats nailed to their door

If they find him innocent> promotions all round

Wacker The Attacker · 24-03-2015 10:52am

durtybit wrote: »

I can't really ring the barracks and ask can I ?

Let me go out on a limb here. There will be a sizable PI settlement and your man will escape with a stern warning. Unless they have Irrefutable evidence the gardai will not prosecute the off duty garda.

Wacker The Attacker · 24-03-2015 10:53am

durtybit wrote: »

Isn't that what the investigation is for?

GSOC are about as much use as a pair of knockers on a bull. The recent controversy shows us this.

Grab All Association · 24-03-2015 10:55am

Investigation will be carried out by An GSOC. Guilty or innocent and whether he's charged or not AGS will play no part in the investigation. I just wished both Gardai were out of the car at the time, no car in front and he was doing double the speed and that Hyundai was crushed into a cube.

crusier · 24-03-2015 10:57am

bjork wrote: »

What happens next?

GSOC investigates> If they find him guilty, they get rats nailed to their door

If they find him innocent> promotions all round

When did ya get your conviction?

bjork · 24-03-2015 10:58am

crusier wrote: »

When did ya get your conviction?

When I stole the money from the the locked station, but I was let off

You?

durtybit · 24-03-2015 11:09am

So are we saying that in this "conflict of interest" incident. The Gardai nor the GSOC will be reliable of due diligence?

Guy:Incognito · 24-03-2015 11:37am

ShaShaBear wrote: »

He was allegedly drink-driving. If they found out that he was not under the influence of any substances, I assume they would have to let him go? But obviously he didn't plough into those other cars in a hard shoulder for no reason, so they are probably trying to discern why? Was there a fault in the car? Did he do it intentionally? Etc.

This case aside, cars get ploughed in to in hard shoulders all the time, by perfectly sober drivers. it's why you'require supposed to get b out of the car and wait over the armco on the verge and not stay in it if you're broken down.

durtybit · 24-03-2015 11:40am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

This case aside, cars get ploughed in to in hard shoulders all the time, by perfectly sober drivers. it's why you'require supposed to get b out of the car and wait over the armco on the verge and not stay in it if you're broken down.

I don't believe anyone would contest that

Turtyturd · 24-03-2015 12:12pm

Fairly regular occurrence I'd have thought. I know one Gard who crashed while dropping his car home from the pub before we headed to another. Called the local station they took care of it.

crusier · 24-03-2015 3:20pm

Turtyturd wrote: »

Fairly regular occurrence I'd have thought. I know one Gard who crashed while dropping his car home from the pub before we headed to another. Called the local station they took care of it.

Why didn't you report him at the time?

Little CuChulainn · 24-03-2015 3:28pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

without GSOC he would have been brought home not the station

You think GSOC were there at the time?

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

Let me go out on a limb here. There will be a sizable PI settlement and your man will escape with a stern warning. Unless they have Irrefutable evidence the gardai will not prosecute the off duty garda.

Such horse manure. If they didn't want to prosecute him why would they even arrest him in the first place instead of just let him go?

My name is URL · 24-03-2015 3:29pm

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Easier just to jump to conclusions because he's Garda though isn't it?

He fled from the scene of a crash which he had caused. No need to jump to any conclusions. The guy is a scumbag whether he was drunk or not.

Egginacup · 24-03-2015 3:30pm

ShaShaBear wrote: »

He was allegedly drink-driving. If they found out that he was not under the influence of any substances, I assume they would have to let him go? But obviously he didn't plough into those other cars in a hard shoulder for no reason, so they are probably trying to discern why? Was there a fault in the car? Did he do it intentionally? Etc.

Well even if he was as sober as a judge wouldn't he be charged with "hit and run" at the very least?

opti76 · 24-03-2015 3:42pm

if the off duty Garda gave a urine or blood sample as opposed to a sample of his breath then you cant charge him with anything as you have no proof he was over the limit .

but don't let that get in the way of a good old fashioned witch hunt .. carry on ..

RollieFingers · 24-03-2015 3:42pm

Is anybody really surprised? It's one rule for the pigs, one rule for the rest of us!

My name is URL · 24-03-2015 4:24pm

opti76 wrote: »

if the off duty Garda gave a urine or blood sample as opposed to a sample of his breath then you cant charge him with anything as you have no proof he was over the limit .

but don't let that get in the way of a good old fashioned witch hunt .. carry on ..

What.. like purposely fleeing the scene after he smashed into a car? They couldn't have charged him with that, no?

What a load of absolute bull. People have been charged and remanded for that exact thing!

I wonder if he wasn't a garda if so many people would be playing the victim here and crying about witch hunts. Would they fcuk!

This knacker smashed into a car and left people trapped inside, and thought nothing of just driving home afterwards and not alerting anyone. Whether he was drunk or not shouldn't even matter at this stage. If gardai can't charge a person for such a thing then they're even more useless

Are you seriously saying that if Joe Soap rammed a garda car, left the occupants trapped inside and just drove off leaving them for dead, that Gardai wouldn't charge and remand them in custody?

jelutong · 24-03-2015 4:42pm

Were the press waiting for him as he left the station? Or is that special treatment reserved for someone like Claire Daly for example.

Garda released without charge after crash

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