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Carlow GAA Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    To Waterfords credit, they won the McGrath Cup earlier this year and quite a few sites/newspapers said they had improved and would challenge for promotion. Had already beaten Wicklow in the league also.

    I think Brian Murphy was brought in due to the lack of scoring forwards and Broderick's injury. I've never considered Brian Murphy a prolific scorer but TOB probably felt he'd add more quality and physicality to the full forward line. John Murphy was poor against London at CF and Hugh Gahan looked lost at Full forward, which probably also influenced things.

    I think it's good we're having this conversation though, means there is strength in depth in the squad, something Carlow football hasn't had in quite a while. Real competition for places, which is great!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 fadofado


    Oh yeah would that it happened more often in Carlow. Usually it's a case of "we'd be better off pulling out of this comp." or something similar.Winning is a great habit. I just have a feeling that the starting 15 v Waterford won't be good enough for Wicklow who despite their poor form so far have a bit more quality than Waterford esp. with some of their better players back. Hope i'm wrong tho.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    one of your minors was showing some nice skills in the game against Wexford on Saturday -

    https://twitter.com/sportstats_ie/status/573190518533988353


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 fadofado


    Yeah the basketball skills are a great help to Gaelic football players. You can always spot them,esp. ability to hang in the air for that extra split second.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    Happy with the side named to play Wicklow. John Murphy coming in at full forward will suit him much better than centre forward, where he played against London.

    I'm intrigued to see whether Brendan Murphy will start at centre forward. I actually think it's a good position for him. Can still have an influence around the middle of the park and should get a few scores from there also. But come throw in, that space could be occupied by Darragh Foley.

    Carlow look physically very strong in the forwards, with Darragh O'Brien being the lightest out of them. But O'Brien has pace and good movement off the ball, which has stood to him so far.

    Great to see guys on the bench that can come in and have an influence. Gahan, Moran, Hayden will feel they should be starting and have something to prove. If in need of scores, Eric McCormack could do some damage also.

    Two huge games for both footballers and hurlers tomorrow. Two wins would really put both in strong positions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 fadofado


    Good win for hurlers but footballers were very poor against a terrible Wicklow. First half was as bad as I've seen for years.Once again it was our forwards that were responsible. Why we persist with this starting formation is beyond me. It's not working. Our wing forwards are not up to it. Then we compound matters by bringing on Alan Kelly who has been given more chances at this level but has consistently failed to deliver and did so again today. two great chances to win it at the end ,kicked both of them wide.DOB was poor today and should have been removed far earlier, bit of favouritism going on methinks. No time for it at this level.
    It's so frustrating for the other players who put in such a shift today. Let's hope I'm not writng the same stuff next sunday evening but I'm not optimistic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    Firstly, fair play to the hurlers. Not easy going up to Derry and getting a win. A win against either Kerry or Westmeath will see them into the final.

    As for the footballers, I agree Fado, forwards were very poor. I honestly don't know what the gameplan was in attack. Anytime Carlow got halfway into the Wicklow half, they seemed to hold up possession and passed left and right instead of hitting it into the full forwards. Granted the movement of the full forward line was very poor and probably didn't help matters, but if you have a big man like John Murphy in at full forward then why not hit it in on top of him or Brian Murphy?

    Some of the passing and wides were very, very poor at times. Lads under no pressure passing it straight to Wicklowmen was inexcusable. Brian Murphy's penalty was very tame and some of the wides in the first half were very bad. All in all I think both teams will feel they left this one behind.

    I think though expectations have to be lowered. Carlow just don't have the scoring forwards. Broderick is a huge loss and there is nobody on that panel who can replace him. Carlow simply need him back if they want any chance of beating Offaly and Longford.

    But you can't deny the level of progression in this side from what we seen of Carlow under Rainbow. In the league last year, Carlow were beaten by Wicklow at home by 14 points. So you have to respect the work done by the management and players to be at least competitive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 fadofado


    Taosum I'vestated here that i'm delighted with the progress we have made and fair dues to manaagement for that. However I've also made it clear that we have not been picking our best starting 15. This was vindicated once more yesterday.ABsolutely crazy starting the likes of finnegan, bambrick, when you have ruth , hayden, moran on the line. Brian Murphy shouldn't have started in Waterford as I said here last week, I also said that seeing as he had that game under his belt I would give him a chance yesterday but he should have been gone after 20 mins along with DOB.How DOB remained on the field for so long was a mystery to me and lots of people around me. We can but speculate as to why ;-). So If management take credit for doing the right thing they also have to take the brickbats for not. Hopefully they have this out of their system now and can improve against Offaly. I'm afraid tho , I'm very afraid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    I agree that the coaching staff have to take responsibility for that performance. As I said, I couldn't figure out what (if any) the gameplan was when Carlow had the ball in the oppositions half.

    Even though changes will be made for the Offaly game and there should be, I don't think they will make much of a difference. Without Broderick, there is no target man in the full forward line who everyone looks to when in possession or someone who will get 5/6 points a game. Even having Seamus Kinsella would make a difference, but he's not available.

    I'd definitely have Ciaran Moran in there, throw Cronin in at corner forward and even Jack Kennedy at wing forward who would add some pace, but I still don't think they will have much impact on the score sheet. Eoghan Ruth will probably start the next day.


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    Both Turlough o'Brien and Pat English seem to be doing fantastic jobs respectively so far. Hopefully Carlow can finish the job and gain promotion this year in the hurling while the footballers have really emerged from the rubble of Anthony Rainbows shambolic regime.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    Tough day for Carlow GAA today. Footballers put up a valiant effort against Offaly from what I've heard and they still have a shot of promotion if they win their final games.

    Decided to go see the hurlers today and honestly, they didn't deserve anything. Very poor team performance and still making the same errors as they did against Galway in the Walsh Cup. Marking was awful throughout, lads dropping balls and too complacent in possession. Team seemed off the pace in comparison to Kerry, who always seemed to have an extra man loose. Make no mistake, the scoreline does not reflect Kerry's superiority throughout. Kerry also dominated in midfield and Carlow kept pucking the ball out to them respite their dominance.

    I've no faith in this team going to Westmeath and getting the result they need next week. I heard there was disharmony in the camp and it looked that way today. Too many lads doing their own thing and not playing as a team. Also seen a couple of keys lads pissed this evening in town. Now I agree lads should be able to enjoy themselves, but after a big loss and a big game next weekend, could they not have waited another week?

    All is not right at the moment with the Carlow Senior hurling side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,494 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    great improvement by the footballers as tipp gunner said something to work on next year should this years league not work out in terms of promotion , and in fairness kerry should be in division 1-b this year its a tough division to get out of 2a we needed two attempts to get out of it ourselves


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭Stevecw


    Sad to hear that things don't seem to be going well at all with the hurlers. Very surprised at that loss yesterday, but hear that some lads were playing club games during the week. Something has gone very wrong there, last year we were blaming Meyler but seems like he wasn't the problem at all.

    Was in Tullamore at the footballers game, great effort by all. Deserved at worst a draw from the game. Heartbreaking loss it was. Will post more about it later when I get home. They gave everything and finally we have a Carlow football team to be proud of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭homeofhurling


    Stevecw wrote: »
    Sad to hear that things don't seem to be going well at all with the hurlers. Very surprised at that loss yesterday, but hear that some lads were playing club games during the week. Something has gone very wrong there, last year we were blaming Meyler but seems like he wasn't the problem at all.

    Was in Tullamore at the footballers game, great effort by all. Deserved at worst a draw from the game. Heartbreaking loss it was. Will post more about it later when I get home. They gave everything and finally we have a Carlow football team to be proud of.


    as Jose the special one would say, Carlow came to tullamore and parked the bus in front of their goals.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 fadofado


    as Jose the special one would say, Carlow came to tullamore and parked the bus in front of their goals.:D

    You're not wrong there HOH. You have to bear in mind tho where Carlow are coming from. We were conceding massive scores last year. Wicklow put 1-25 against us and in the championship meath took us for 7 goals while Clare (get this) scored 4-26 in the qualifiers.That's the backdrop for us so while it may not be easy on the eye we had to remedy our defensive problems first and foremost. Now if only we could score a bit more :).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 230 ✭✭homeofhurling


    agree doing away better job than when Anthony Rainbow was over them they are not out of it yet win there last two games and they could nick second spot offaly are after falling off the pace after a good start and will more than likely drop more points, longford look strong now for top spot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    Stevecw wrote: »
    Sad to hear that things don't seem to be going well at all with the hurlers. Very surprised at that loss yesterday, but hear that some lads were playing club games during the week. Something has gone very wrong there, last year we were blaming Meyler but seems like he wasn't the problem at all.

    I think a big problem for Carlow is that the standards have dropped since relegation from 1B. Team just isn't sharp enough nor is the work-rate good enough. Both coaches and players have to take collective responsibility for that. The team has the quality to win 2A, but the application isn't there.

    I've no confidence of a win on Sunday, which will mean another step back from last year. Probably looking at relegation from the Senior Championship also. If that happens, then the county hurlers could be in big trouble for years to come.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭Stevecw


    TaosHum wrote: »
    I think a big problem for Carlow is that the standards have dropped since relegation from 1B. Team just isn't sharp enough nor is the work-rate good enough. Both coaches and players have to take collective responsibility for that. The team has the quality to win 2A, but the application isn't there.

    I've no confidence of a win on Sunday, which will mean another step back from last year. Probably looking at relegation from the Senior Championship also. If that happens, then the county hurlers could be in big trouble for years to come.

    Agree, from what I hear we haven't much of a hope on Sunday. It's not a happy camp and certain players are to blame. It's a poison that crept in last year and despite Pat's best efforts it's worse than ever. Another 2a year & likely relegation to Christy Ring is ahead of us it seems


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    Tough for the hurlers yesterday. Wasn't up at it but heard they probably deserved something out of the game.

    To go out to two last second one point defeats must be hard to take for the lads. It's a shame, but hopefully they can re-group and get things back on track the Championship in May.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 fadofado


    More to do with attitude of some players than hard luck. Lads playing no account club matches during week of matches, sometimes 2 days before game. Others on the lash couple of nights last week. What do they expect? Other players are obviously disillusioned with this. Doesn't make for happy camp.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    Well done to Carlow CBS on reaching the All Ireland SFC B schools final.

    Some very good players in that side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 fadofado


    see turlough is in trouble for abusing ref. after Offaly game. Lookin at 12 week ban.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭Stevecw


    fadofado wrote: »
    see turlough is in trouble for abusing ref. after Offaly game. Lookin at 12 week ban.

    Turlough will be grand he can still give all the advice etc. Craig Kearney also got the same 12 week ban and that will be a huge loss for the Laois game. His kick outs have been central to us doing well.
    Broderick also touch & go for Laois is massive too. We need him back, our best scoring forward and a reliable free taker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 fadofado


    Stevecw wrote: »
    Turlough will be grand he can still give all the advice etc. Craig Kearney also got the same 12 week ban and that will be a huge loss for the Laois game. His kick outs have been central to us doing well.
    Broderick also touch & go for Laois is massive too. We need him back, our best scoring forward and a reliable free taker.

    You serious about Kearney? Christ that's a big blow! Molloy is not up to it at this level, his kicks out are terrible. I think we're in trouble anyway. Our backs are being found out against better forwards and laois have good forwards.Ledger is not pacey enough for CB. in modern game. Can't turn. Even if Broderick is back he ain't gonna be match ready. we need gahan, J. murphy, big brendan, hayden all playing out of their skin and broderick back to have any hope against laois IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    Great achievement from Carlow CBS on winning the All Ireland B.

    Very well done lads!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭klairondavis


    Great result for Carlow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭Stevecw


    Brendan Murphy not available for the championship, that's a massive blow. He's off to America for the summer.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/economic-reality-forces-carlow-s-brendan-murphy-to-the-us-1.2185036


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    Yeah, massive blow. Really can't afford to be losing players of his calibre.


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    Stevecw wrote: »
    Brendan Murphy not available for the championship, that's a massive blow. He's off to America for the summer.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/economic-reality-forces-carlow-s-brendan-murphy-to-the-us-1.2185036


    Did he leave the army?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭TaosHum


    Did he leave the army?

    Looks that way. Played Sigerson Cup football for Carlow IT this year also.


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