How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

17-03-2015 12:55AM

As much as I love my flags - you have just made me have to rethink all my flag poles

Guy:Incognito · 17-03-2015 01:11AM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

We recruit.

For every recruit we get a stamp and we save them in a book and swap them for items in a catalogue - So far I got a cutlass, a flintlock pistol, bow and full quiver of arrows and I'm saving up for a chainsaw.

Once recruited you can recruit too - AND you get a free toaster oven.

You sure you're not mixing it up with Kleeneze?

aloyisious · 17-03-2015 06:43AM

DCU is altering it's Summer exams times/dates to allow it's students vote in the referendum. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/dcu-students-given-time-to-vote-in-marriage-referendum-31071947.html

Bannasidhe · 17-03-2015 12:49PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

Weird, I exclusively recruit using my vagina.

I'm Old School.

Cody montana · 19-03-2015 07:18PM

So have any of the no side changed their opinions recently?

Shrap · 19-03-2015 07:43PM

Cody montana wrote: »

So have any of the no side changed their opinions recently?

Up here? No idea. Down here in real life, yeah, I turned one around alright. Over time. With the help of my "Team Panti" car sticker. Fair fcuks to you Rory O'Neil, you've been the best conversation piece about gay rights in years, and if the referendum is taken, I credit you.

Credit also to my local shopkeeper, who was MORTIFIED to be talking about gay people this time last year and is now saying "Isn't it all about love really? If people want to get married, why would I stop them?". He saves me every news and magazine article about Panti since he knew I was a fan, and has totally turned around his hesitation about "the gays". I love genuine people who can think for themselves.

lavdad · 19-03-2015 07:55PM

No. Marriage between two men is obscene. It makes a total mockery of the tradition of marriage, not that it was in any kind of healthy state before this proposal. Next they'll be looking to bring in gay adaption, and the overwhelming majority will be for that too *sigh*

mickstupp · 19-03-2015 07:58PM

lavdad wrote: »

No. Marriage between two men is obscene. It makes a total mockery of the tradition of marriage, not that it was in any kind of healthy state before this proposal. Next they'll be looking to bring in gay adaption, and the overwhelming majority will be for that too *sigh*

I'm trying to picture a sort of plug adapter... getting confused...

Like I have a few memory card adapters, but if I could get a gay adapter... well. That's a whole new world.

Shrap · 19-03-2015 08:01PM

lavdad wrote: »

No. Marriage between two men is obscene. It makes a total mockery of the tradition of marriage, not that it was in any kind of healthy state before this proposal. Next they'll be looking to bring in gay adaption, and the overwhelming majority will be for that too *sigh*

Bit behind the times, aren't you? Gay adoption is already in, happening and about to be signed into law for unmarried couples, although it was already lawful for single gays/straights.

Obscene. Hmm. I'm pretty sure my hetero relationship with my bf would seem obscene to you too in that case, so excuse me while I dismiss your view as being rigid, and narrow-minded to the point where at this stage (and in this age) I'd describe you as an extremist.

TwoShedsJackson · 19-03-2015 08:02PM

lavdad wrote: »

No. Marriage between two men is obscene. It makes a total mockery of the tradition of marriage, not that it was in any kind of healthy state before this proposal. Next they'll be looking to bring in gay adaption, and the overwhelming majority will be for that too *sigh*

Women shouldn't be able to vote, it makes a mockery of the tradition of only white male land-owners being able to vote! (c) boards.ie 1903.

eviltwin · 19-03-2015 08:09PM

lavdad wrote: »

No. Marriage between two men is obscene. It makes a total mockery of the tradition of marriage, not that it was in any kind of healthy state before this proposal. Next they'll be looking to bring in gay adaption, and the overwhelming majority will be for that too *sigh*

You might want to fast forward a month or two Lavdad, we've already sorted that issue out.

Explain how it makes a mockery out of marriage, I'm assuming you are married yourself of course in which case I'd be interested in hearing how your marriage is so shaky that the thoughts of two total strangers getting wed somehow makes yours less stable or something.

lavdad · 19-03-2015 08:22PM

I believe homosexuality is obscene, not just gay marriage. The latter should not be encouraged by the state, just as the former shouldn't be encouraged by society as a whole. Self-identifying homosexuals only exist because they have been encouraged to be so, it's not natural behavior but rather is environmentally based. Humans need structure in societal values, the most important of which is the institution of traditional marriage between a man and a woman. I'm not saying homosexuality is morally wrong, of course not, but it's a sign of disorder.

eviltwin · 19-03-2015 08:24PM

lavdad wrote: »

I believe homosexuality is obscene, not just gay marriage. The latter should not be encouraged by the state, just as the former shouldn't be encouraged by society as a whole. Self-identifying homosexuals only exist because they have been encouraged to be so, it's not natural behavior but rather is environmentally based. Humans need structure in societal values, the most important of which is the institution of traditional marriage between a man and a woman. I'm not saying homosexuality is morally wrong, of course not, but it's a sign of disorder.

Yada yada yada. Can you answer my question please? How does two men/two women marrying each other effect or destabalise your marriage in any way?

shruikan2553 · 19-03-2015 08:31PM

lavdad wrote: »

I believe homosexuality is obscene, not just gay marriage. The latter should not be encouraged by the state, just as the former shouldn't be encouraged by society as a whole. Self-identifying homosexuals only exist because they have been encouraged to be so, it's not natural behavior but rather is environmentally based. Humans need structure in societal values, the most important of which is the institution of traditional marriage between a man and a woman. I'm not saying homosexuality is morally wrong, of course not, but it's a sign of disorder.

Not natural behaviour he says on his computer connected to the internet.

Shrap · 19-03-2015 08:33PM

lavdad wrote: »

I believe homosexuality is obscene, not just gay marriage. The latter should not be encouraged by the state, just as the former shouldn't be encouraged by society as a whole. Self-identifying homosexuals only exist because they have been encouraged to be so, it's not natural behavior but rather is environmentally based. Humans need structure in societal values, the most important of which is the institution of traditional marriage between a man and a woman. I'm not saying homosexuality is morally wrong, of course not, but it's a sign of disorder.

Now where did you get those ideas son? Who first indicated to you that this was a clever thing to think, and how did you not manage to step outside this narrow stricture and see for yourself that it's not how society is?

When you say you "believe" homosexuality is obscene, are you believing with the back up of evidence, or the back up of somebody else's word? If it's evidence, I want to see it immediately. If it's somebody else's word, pray do tell who, and why you've been listening to them.

Edit: I get livid angry that people teach their children this horse sh1t and the likes of this person grow up thinking it and missing out on so much of humanity's glory and richness. What a crying fecking shame.

lavdad · 19-03-2015 08:55PM

Shrap wrote: »

Now where did you get those ideas son? Who first indicated to you that this was a clever thing to think, and how did you not manage to step outside this narrow stricture and see for yourself that it's not how society is?

When you say you "believe" homosexuality is obscene, are you believing with the back up of evidence, or the back up of somebody else's word? If it's evidence, I want to see it immediately. If it's somebody else's word, pray do tell who, and why you've been listening to them.

Edit: I get livid angry that people teach their children this horse sh1t and the likes of this person grow up thinking it and missing out on so much of humanity's glory and richness. What a crying fecking shame.

You think that what you are believing is "evidence" based and has nothing to do with the opinion of others, namely the ideology of the time?

Homosexuals's sexual instincts/psychology have developed improperly, or they have a hormonal imbalance, whatever the cause is they are jumbled up individuals. The alternative view is that homosexuality in humans is natural, and this has become the dominant view in our modern culture. It's erroneous, and the idea that gay marriage should unquestionably be legalised spawns from it.

K4t · 19-03-2015 08:58PM

Shrap wrote: »

I love genuine people who can think for themselves.

That's it in a nutshell. Put the average NO voter and a gay YES voter in a room for a day with no outside influence, no religion, and see then what is really the unnatural part of Irish society.

lavdad wrote: »

I believe homosexuality is obscene

I believe heterosexuality is obscene. However I don't attempt to discriminate against men and women's right to marry each other, as it doesn't inflict on my life. Why do you feel the need to actively restrict people from obtaining equal rights? What is it in your psyche that's not in mine, that you can't hold your belief without attempting to enforce it through law on people?

Ave Sodalis · 19-03-2015 08:59PM

Yay! Old school windups!

I'm just wondering, what's your definition of natural?

Shrap · 19-03-2015 09:03PM

lavdad wrote: »

You think that what you are believing is "evidence" based and has nothing to do with the opinion of others, namely the ideology of the time?

Evidence: Homosexuality is real, it exists, it is part of the human condition in all it's wonderful diversity. "Opinion" is either for the state or against the state, it has no impact on the fact that it exists as a part of our human state. There's really very little point in arguing with those facts.

Homosexuals's sexual instincts/psychology have developed improperly, or they have a hormonal imbalance, whatever the cause is they are jumbled up individuals. The alternative view is that homosexuality in humans is natural, and this has become the dominant view in our modern culture. It's erroneous, and the idea that gay marriage should unquestionably be legalised spawns from it.

Evidence please, for your slurs against humanity.

You are however right about the dominant view in our culture being that homosexuality is natural. We are an evidence based culture compared to many others.

DeVore · 19-03-2015 09:04PM

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. --Hitchens.

lavdad · 19-03-2015 09:06PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

You're going to need to define 'natural' and why something not being natural is inherently bad before your argument can hold any weight whatsoever.

Natural may have not been the best choice of word.

I believe that it is best for a human being to be heterosexual, in the sense that it causes them optimal well-being and lack of dysfunction, and allows them to fit into a healthy functional society. Since homosexuality is not pre-determined from birth, it need not flurish unless it is encouraged. So this encouragement, so common in our current culture, is leading to the lack of well being and dysfunction of individuals. The state supporting gay marriage is a facet of this.

Shrap · 19-03-2015 09:13PM

lavdad wrote: »

Since homosexuality is not pre-determined from birth, it need not flurish unless it is encouraged.

Sorry, WUT??!! http://couchlocked.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/laughing-hysterically_thumb.gif
EVIDENCE for your assertion (that requires a science and evidence bypass)??

lavdad · 19-03-2015 09:14PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

No? You seemed perfectly happy using that word until the flaws in it were pointed out. It's not as if it were an off the cuff remark, you stated how important the fact it isn't 'natural' is several times.

Do you have anything to support your beliefs? Because from where I'm standing it looks like you don't like teh gays and are trying to justify that stance.

Existent can be synonymous with natural, so the word means very little without context. Yet to say homosexual is unnatural is not an automatically erroneous position, because what one means by that can be more complex hence elaboration is needed.

Ave Sodalis · 19-03-2015 09:16PM

lavdad wrote: »

Natural may have not been the best choice of word.

I believe that it is best for a human being to be heterosexual, in the sense that it causes them optimal well-being and lack of dysfunction, and allows them to fit into a healthy functional society. Since homosexuality is not pre-determined from birth, it need not flurish unless it is encouraged. So this encouragement, so common in our current culture, is leading to the lack of well being and dysfunction of individuals. The state supporting gay marriage is a facet of this.

You might want to tell that to cows... Or ducks... Or bears... Or penguins... Or dolphins... Or chimps... Or really any other animal that displays homosexual behaviour... I'm sure society encouraged them too, yes?

Shrap · 19-03-2015 09:17PM

lavdad wrote: »

Existent can be synonymous with natural, so the word means very little without context. Yet to say homosexual is unnatural is not an automatically erroneous position, because what one means by that can be more complex hence elaboration is needed.

Elaborate away, as you should probably hurry up and start making sense. And don't forget your shovel. Graves should be about 6ft deep apparently, but you've made a good start. :pac:

LDN_Irish · 19-03-2015 09:20PM

lavdad wrote: »

Natural may have not been the best choice of word.

I believe that it is best for a human being to be heterosexual, in the sense that it causes them optimal well-being and lack of dysfunction, and allows them to fit into a healthy functional society.

A self confessed misogynist thinks the above. I don't even know what to make of that really. Maybe heterosexuality just makes it easier for everyone but you to fit in to a healthy functional society.

lavdad · 19-03-2015 09:22PM

Shrap wrote: »

Elaborate away, as you should probably hurry up and start making sense. And don't forget your shovel. Graves should be about 6ft deep apparently, but you've made a good start. :pac:

I already have but whatever I say will be dismissed because it doesn't fit the liberal narrative. Do you think anyone who votes 'no' is basically evil? Do you think that in older times when homosexuality was universally shunned, these restrictions were just purely bigoted and a form of senseless hatred the likes of which we are finally being liberated from out of the goodness of our post-modern hearts?

K4t · 19-03-2015 09:23PM

lavdad wrote: »

Existent can be synonymous with natural, so the word means very little without context. Yet to say homosexual is unnatural is not an automatically erroneous position, because what one means by that can be more complex hence elaboration is needed.

You say homosexuality is synonymous with unnatural, yet here they are, millions of gays, and millions more on the way. If they are unnatural, surely perfectly natural heterosexual couples would not be giving birth to these unnatural homosexuals?

And why should you get to decide what is and is not unnatural? I mean, some people find blowjobs unnatural, but that doesn't mean they attempt to stop other people performing them. They simply acknowledge that people have different preferences and get on with their own lives. Why can't you seem to do the same?

Sonics2k · 19-03-2015 09:24PM

lavdad wrote: »

Natural may have not been the best choice of word.

I believe that it is best for a human being to be heterosexual, in the sense that it causes them optimal well-being and lack of dysfunction, and allows them to fit into a healthy functional society. Since homosexuality is not pre-determined from birth, it need not flurish unless it is encouraged. So this encouragement, so common in our current culture, is leading to the lack of well being and dysfunction of individuals. The state supporting gay marriage is a facet of this.

Good gods, that's some genuine gibberish right there.

lavdad · 19-03-2015 09:26PM

K4t wrote: »

You say homosexuality is synonymous with unnatural

WOW. Just because I hold an opinion overwhelmingly dissident from the majority, you are able to completely misrepresent what I say, framing my words to mean the opposite to what I intended?

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