Safety and the rules/regulations/law of open road racing.

Beasty · 05-03-2015 08:29PM

bcmf wrote: »

Great to hear.
If you need any help the helpful crew in VCB will be glad to lend a hand!

Rather them than the unhelpful crew there .....:pac:

bcmf · 05-03-2015 08:37PM

Beasty wrote: »

Rather them than the unhelpful crew there .....:pac:

Yeah...But we wont mention Lusk _ Doyle here.

07Lapierre · 05-03-2015 08:55PM

Beasty wrote: »

.... to be run by McNally Swords CC

Great news, except for anyone who now has to sort out the organisation, and put their head on the block if anything doesn't go to plan

Sh!!!!!!t

:pac:

IMO our head has been on the block for years..we just didn't know it!..;)

Lusk_Doyle · 06-03-2015 07:44AM

bcmf wrote: »

Yeah...But we wont mention Lusk _ Doyle here.

That's grand. You can marshal or whatever. I'll race.

calistro · 18-03-2015 10:58AM

Anyone know if the Balbriggan races are definitely off ?

Beasty · 18-03-2015 11:05AM

I would suggest calling the organiser - won't put a phone number up here but if you have a look at the CI calendar there are details. These races are not shown as cancelled on the calendar. Can's see anything on their FB page either as that has been inactive for a few months

calistro · 18-03-2015 11:09AM

Beasty wrote: »

I would suggest calling the organiser - won't put a phone number up here but if you have a look at the CI calendar there are details. These races are not shown as cancelled on the calendar. Can's see anything on their FB page either as that has been inactive for a few months

Will do. Cheers !

Cond0r · 18-03-2015 11:20AM

calistro wrote: »

Will do. Cheers !

And report back to let us all know.

calistro · 18-03-2015 11:27AM

Cond0r wrote: »

And report back to let us all know.

Tried ringing but no answer. Have also sent an email. Will try again later.

Ken1975 · 18-03-2015 12:45PM

I emailed Declan Halligan two days ago, he is away (so I presume thats why he isnt answering the phone).
His response to my question about the race being cancelled was "Details are on the CI website, I will reply further when I get back Wednesday".
So thats open to interpretation but I get the impression its still on. (Dont shoot the messanger)

wav1 · 18-03-2015 01:12PM

Beasty wrote: »

I would suggest calling the organiser - won't put a phone number up here but if you have a look at the CI calendar there are details. These races are not shown as cancelled on the calendar. Can's see anything on their FB page either as that has been inactive for a few months

There were conflicting reports at the weekend whether they are going ahead or not.Personally I don't think they will but I hope I am wrong.

Beasty · 18-03-2015 01:15PM

wav1 wrote: »

There were conflicting reports at the weekend whether they are going ahead or not.Personally I don't think they will but I hope I am wrong.

I had heard something suggesting they may be on, but like you suspect that may not be the case

wav1 · 18-03-2015 04:36PM

Just got an email.Its official now..All Balbriggan events CANCELLED

Cond0r · 18-03-2015 04:47PM

wav1 wrote: »

Just got an email.Its official now..All Balbriggan events CANCELLED

That's surprising, given there was a meeting between CI, Fingal and the Gardaí which allegedly had a positive outcome a couple of weeks ago.

Do you have any background information? Was it too late to organise the event by the time it was given the go-ahead?

wav1 · 18-03-2015 05:42PM

Cond0r wrote: »

That's surprising, given there was a meeting between CI, Fingal and the Gardaí which allegedly had a positive outcome a couple of weeks ago.

Do you have any background information? Was it too late to organise the event by the time it was given the go-ahead?

I have no background info whatsoever,only whats already in the public domain re events in NCD..To the best of my knowledge,the meeting to which you refer had absouloutely no relevance to these events.

Inquitus · 18-03-2015 05:43PM

wav1 wrote: »

Just got an email.Its official now..All Balbriggan events CANCELLED

Any word on Stamullen, rumours at the weekend were saying they would have to reroute as they wouldn't be able to go over Snowtown into Fingal.

wav1 · 18-03-2015 05:46PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Any word on Stamullen, rumours at the weekend were saying they would have to reroute as they wouldn't be able to go over Snowtown into Fingal.

I wouldn't or couldn't second guess that one but that's not my information..Good to go AFAIK.

Beasty · 18-03-2015 06:14PM

Cond0r wrote: »

That's surprising, given there was a meeting between CI, Fingal and the Gardaí which allegedly had a positive outcome a couple of weeks ago.

Do you have any background information? Was it too late to organise the event by the time it was given the go-ahead?

The only thing I have seen as an outcome from that meeting was the possibility that McNally Swords may be able to put on a couple of club league races this year (although I've not seen anything confirming that). That's a far reach from a weekend with 3 Open races

wav1 · 18-03-2015 09:29PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Any word on Stamullen, rumours at the weekend were saying they would have to reroute as they wouldn't be able to go over Snowtown into Fingal.

I think there may be now some ''modifications'' to the route but thank God will def go ahead.

Junior · 19-03-2015 11:00AM

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/dispute-between-clubs-garda-and-council-sees-three-races-cancelled/

More details there.

Beasty · 19-03-2015 11:31AM

Balbriggan raced cancelled posts moved here from Lucan GP thread

couerdelion · 19-03-2015 02:37PM

From FB

Background information:
The Club has been informed by the Balbriggan Swords Operations Department of Fingal County Council (FCC), the Road Authority under Section 74, Roads Act, 1993, that it has no objection to the holding of the races subject to, among other requirements that “A Temporary Road Closure Order is in place with local access maintained for the full duration of the races and in this regard an application under Section 75 of The Roads Act 1993 is required”.

BCC has had a number of meetings and correspondence with FCC following its submission, in January, of all the relevant documentation involved in organising and running of these events and considers this requirement, which refers to Section 74 of the Act and which has yet to become operable, unnecessarily restrictive. FCC has eventually conceded after eight weeks interaction that it does not have this role.

The race documentation was also sent to An Garda Síochána, Balbriggan contemporaneously and has yet to be acknowledged. A further communication with An Garda Síochána has now elicited the response that a policing presence would only be provided if a Temporary Road Closure Order was in place.

BCC cannot believe that An Garda Síochána would support unnecessary restrictions in the running of a race in memory of a former colleague and not facilitate the continuation of traditional annual community based events on relatively quiet roads in north Fingal as heretofore.

The Ben McKenna Memorial Races have been run by Balbriggan Cycling Club, initially in conjunction with An Garda Síochána Cycling Club (GSCC), for the past twenty two years. The GSCC resumed its involvement again this year.

The Race Headquarters for the inaugural event was Balbriggan Garda Station.
The Harry Reynolds Memorial Race has been run since 1941.
The Jim Wherity Memorial Race has been run since 2005.

These Memorial Races have been organised and run successfully, with safety as the primary objective and without incident over these years.BCC questions and fails to understand the apparent absence of integration and collaboration between statutory bodies in practice as the introduction of these restrictions is in direct conflict with the Department of Sport’s goal viz. “To increase participation and interest in sport, to improve standards of performance and to develop sports facilities at national, regional and local level, thereby contributing to healthier lifestyles and an improved overall quality of life, through a Departmental policy and resource framework in partnership with its Agencies, other Government Departments and the National Governing Bodies of Sport”.

Ben McKenna was a Garda Sergeant with the Traffic Corp based in Dublin Castle and up to the time of his untimely death in 1992 went over and beyond the call of duty to facilitate the safe running of cycle road races throughout Ireland. He is one of only two cyclists inducted into the Garda Sports Hall of Fame. A former winner of the Rás he also made a major contribution to the sport of cycling both at national and international level as an administrator and race commissaire. His family has strong connections with Balbriggan.

dermabrasion · 19-03-2015 03:13PM

Unless this is clarified and ruled from centrally, I see many more Garda divisions pulling the plug on road racing, because the recent precedent is now there. It looks like it is easier to say no than yes.
Perhaps we need to lobby or get on the media and argue our case strategically. We cannot have a situation that Britain ended up in. And its not just us, triathletes too a re affected by this BS.

brasshead · 19-03-2015 03:55PM

Statement from Fingal Co Co on the Balbriggan race cancellation here

maloner · 19-03-2015 04:30PM

Was wondering what was applying for a road closure actually involved (from my own curiosity - I've nothing to do whats being discussed regarding races in Balbriggan). This would appear to answer that question:

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/roads-and-travel/temporary-road-closures/

CramCycle · 19-03-2015 04:35PM

As a matter of interest, what would happen if a temporary road closure was issued, but the road was not closed.

Serious questions that I do not know the answer too.

Would this give marshalls the right to stop traffic?
Also the openness not to have to close of or impede local access (pretty much what happens with a road closure order in alot of events).

Does a road closure like this require a Garda to be there?

Is there a large fee involved?

Could the Gardai and Council consider waving this fee (if there is one) in order to promote sports in the locality or could a volunteer system like I have seen other clubs operate be asked, such as the members of the cycling club participate in a tidy towns initiative for a day.

Its hard to say but it looks like everyone wants it to go ahead, the obstacles are minor if approached correctly (they appear to be if all of the released statements are taken at face value).

Inquitus · 19-03-2015 04:44PM

CramCycle wrote: »

As a matter of interest, what would happen if a temporary road closure was issued, but the road was not closed.

Serious questions that I do not know the answer too.

Would this give marshalls the right to stop traffic?
Also the openness not to have to close of or impede local access (pretty much what happens with a road closure order in alot of events).

Does a road closure like this require a Garda to be there?

Is there a large fee involved?

Could the Gardai and Council consider waving this fee (if there is one) in order to promote sports in the locality or could a volunteer system like I have seen other clubs operate be asked, such as the members of the cycling club participate in a tidy towns initiative for a day.

Its hard to say but it looks like everyone wants it to go ahead, the obstacles are minor if approached correctly (they appear to be if all of the released statements are taken at face value).

If the roads are "closed", who is liable for any accident be it car or bike that may occur on the "closed" roads. And yes a road closure order gives the marshall's the power to control the traffic, and they could allow traffic onto the circuit as they wish.

Cond0r · 19-03-2015 04:46PM

Inquitus wrote: »

If the roads are "closed", who is liable for any accident be it car or bike that may occur on the "closed" roads.

This is a very valid question, to which Fingal CoCo in particular did not have a good answer.

Junior · 19-03-2015 04:46PM

maloner wrote: »

http://www.fingalcoco.ie/roads-and-travel/temporary-road-closures/

CramCycle wrote: »

Is there a large fee involved?

Looks like a 2k fee and whatever the insurance costs would be to ensure the 6.5 Million cover as per the link above.

wirelessdude01 · 19-03-2015 04:49PM

I would imagine the fee for the temporary road closure is one of the main issues here. 1000e is a sizeable amount of money for a local(ish) race.

As regards the released statements one side of the issue has to have taken a hardline stance or else it wouldn't have come to this point. Someone somewhere has released a statement made up of porkies.

Safety and the rules/regulations/law of open road racing.

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