Fidelma Healy Eames at it again. Claims SSM might mean that Mother's Day is banned!

My name is URL · 15-03-2015 11:26PM

Manach wrote: »

Given the rabidness of the PC Brigade and the social upheaval by their rejection of traditional morality/customs has engendered within the US, then the OP can be thanked for envisioning what what Ireland's future holds.

Good man, Menach. You never fail to remind me of why it's such a good idea to move beyond the god-fearing closed-mindedness that Ireland has come to expect over the last 80 odd years.

Are you still in the habit of defending the church for all the atrocities that it and your hopelessly servile generation put up with?

bodice ripper · 15-03-2015 11:49PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I'm just waiting for a drive-by post from her key voting demographic.

Manach wrote: »

Given the rabidness of the PC Brigade and the social upheaval by their rejection of traditional morality/customs has engendered within the US, then the OP can be thanked for envisioning what what Ireland's future holds.

mcmoustache wrote: »

That is ****ing hysterical.

Too bad Manach won't even see it.

Notorious97 · 15-03-2015 11:58PM

What a clown, she should be told daily how much of a clown she is.

I think it's ridiculous the vote is being dragged out so long, just make it law for fu*k sake, it's not hurting anyone and it's making people happy, let's focus on real issues that is ruining the country.

gandalf · 15-03-2015 11:59PM

Why the hell do we elect people like this.......oh wait we didn't :P

TBH after what I shelled out today for Mothers Day I would welcome it's banning. Obviously a certain Oireachtas member is in the pocket of the Hallmark company

emo72 · 16-03-2015 12:04AM

Between that mad bishop and fidelma, the no side really need to shut their mouths. The more they say, the more people will vote yes. It's all good!

Cienciano · 16-03-2015 12:28AM

gandalf wrote: »

Why the hell do we elect people like this.......oh wait we didn't :P

TBH after what I shelled out today for Mothers Day I would welcome it's banning. Obviously a certain Oireachtas member is in the pocket of the Hallmark company

Go to the pound shop about 2 weeks before and you'll pick up cards for about 50 cent :pac:

the groutch · 16-03-2015 12:28AM

conorh91 wrote: »

A lot of parents would agree with that, to be fair.

so the answer to a problem which may or may not exist is to punish everyone rather than tackle the cause?

pl4ichjgy17zwd · 16-03-2015 12:36AM

Banning Mother's/Father's Day is stupid. Banning it's promotion in schools where young kids have different family situations is smart.

I went to a small primary school for a couple of years (4th/5th class) and I was the only fatherless one (apparently in the whole school - but it really was small. Six-ten people classes, one teacher for two classes etc) In Father's Day prep art classes I would get taken out and have to sit with someone in the library area to read until it was over. They were trying to be conscientious but it was painful even at that age and made me stick out like a sore thumb. I don't see any reason why it should be part of the curriculum.

floggg · 16-03-2015 01:08AM

Paramite Pie wrote: »

I'm gay myself but apparently one school has already done this;

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865581793/Parents-rally-after-Canadian-elementary-school-bans-Mothers-Day-and-Fathers-Day-celebrations.html?pg=all

It's absurd. If we're going to live in a diverse society then we should be able to embrace the diversity, not make it taboo. Yes there'll be kids with only one parent (that's life), or kids with two same-sex parents but there's nothing intrinsically negative about having a Mother's/Father's day.

I really hope this doesn't catch on but some do-gooders will probably try.

While I dont actively want to see the day banned, I also couldn't give a **** about it either way. It's a halmark holiday invented to sell cards, flowers and afternoon tea.

You might say there's nothing intrinsically negative about the day, but there's not all that much positive either. Much like Valentines day, if you love them you should be showing them all year round - not just when the card company say you should.

PopePalpatine · 16-03-2015 08:59AM

My name is URL wrote: »

Good man, Menach. You never fail to remind me of why it's such a good idea to move beyond the god-fearing closed-mindedness that Ireland has come to expect over the last 80 odd years.

Are you still in the habit of defending the church for all the atrocities that it and your hopelessly servile generation put up with?

What do you expect from a guy who looks at that neckbeard movement known as the Dark Enlightenment (which hates anyone who isn't a white, über-reactionary Christian male) and thinks it's a good idea?

desertcircus · 16-03-2015 09:05AM

Manach wrote: »

Given the rabidness of the PC Brigade and the social upheaval by their rejection of traditional morality/customs has engendered within the US, then the OP can be thanked for envisioning what what Ireland's future holds.

You're okay with a senator lying through her teeth to prevent equality, but I'm one of the rabid ones. Okay.

16-03-2015 09:11AM

She should have her internet privileges restricted.

Uncle Ruckus · 16-03-2015 09:15AM

Hateful hyperbolic crap at it's finest.

Dravokivich · 16-03-2015 10:33AM

Roy Incalculable Bedtime wrote: »

Banning Mother's/Father's Day is stupid. Banning it's promotion in schools where young kids have different family situations is smart.

I went to a small primary school for a couple of years (4th/5th class) and I was the only fatherless one (apparently in the whole school - but it really was small. Six-ten people classes, one teacher for two classes etc) In Father's Day prep art classes I would get taken out and have to sit with someone in the library area to read until it was over. They were trying to be conscientious but it was painful even at that age and made me stick out like a sore thumb. I don't see any reason why it should be part of the curriculum.

I wouldn't expect Fathers or Mothers day themselves to be part of the curriculum, But they are topical interests for Arts & Crafts themes.

What that teacher did to you was wrong. If for whatever reason I was dead and it came to it in my kids school, I'd want for him to be included in memory of me, not to be excluded because I wasn't there.

PopePalpatine · 16-03-2015 10:50AM

bodice ripper wrote: »

That is ****ing hysterical.

Too bad Manach won't even see it.

I swear he only posts in threads like these because he thinks "I'm engendering quite a bit of vexation amongst the godless libruls," and has done his daily work on behalf of the Catholischeinternetschutzstaffel. Honestly, it's as if he's scared of a bit of discussion and was born 30 years too late to go live in Franco's Spain.

Shrap · 16-03-2015 11:23AM

Fidelma Healy Eames on Newstalk with Pat Kenny soon, explaining her fears about SSM and #pcgonemad doing away with Mother's day...sigh. I can't imagine it's going to be an incisive interview, as Pat misses the point every time.

kylith · 16-03-2015 11:26AM

Dravokivich wrote: »

I wouldn't expect Fathers or Mothers day themselves to be part of the curriculum, But they are topical interests for Arts & Crafts themes.

What that teacher did to you was wrong. If for whatever reason I was dead and it came to it in my kids school, I'd want for him to be included in memory of me, not to be excluded because I wasn't there.

Absolutely. Why not let kids from SSM homes or where one parent is deceased or out of the picture join in and make something for their grandparent, uncle/aunt, or a maternal or paternal figure in their life?

Akrasia · 16-03-2015 11:31AM

She's talking absolute and utter sh1te

Just because some schools have stupid policies doesn't mean we should ban same sex marriage

"The worst thing is to close down choice" Except for when the choice is for a same sex couple to get married.

Won't someone please think of the children.

HeidiHeidi · 16-03-2015 11:33AM

On Pat Kenny now, from the bottom of a well while eating the phone.

Impossible to listen to, on a whole lot of different levels.

Akrasia · 16-03-2015 11:38AM

Now she's saying that the parents of child being put up for adoption should get to choose whether a same sex couple gets to adopt the child

Crazy. This is just bigotry.

The rights of the parents to discriminate against gay people do not trump the right of the child to be placed into a loving home

Shrap · 16-03-2015 11:44AM

Once again, interviewer fails to point out that hetero couples using donor conception will continue to make up the vast majority of couples using AHR. Targetting SSM is so off the issue of the lack of information and traceability that some donor conceived people have difficulty with, that it's infuriating how it's never pointed out to every anti-SSM spokesperson in the media. Grrr :mad:

conorh91 · 16-03-2015 11:57AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Now she's saying that the parents of child being put up for adoption should get to choose whether a same sex couple gets to adopt the child

She seemed to qualify her comment by saying their view should be noted; she also said 'taken into account'.

Should it be a factor? I dunno. It's debatable. It's not quite crazy. As far as I know it already exists to some extent, in terms of religious preferences.

Shrap · 16-03-2015 12:01PM

conorh91 wrote: »

She seemed to qualify her comment by saying their view should be noted; she also said 'taken into account'.

Should it be a factor? I dunno. It's debatable. It's not quite crazy. As far as I know it already exists to some extent, in terms of religious preferences.

Essentially, I think adoption boards DO take natural parent's preferences into account as much as possible. However, giving natural parents a veto on who can/can't adopt their child would overly complicate the process especially in situations where children who are happily in long term foster care (for very good reasons presumably) could be stopped from becoming fully adopted by their foster families because of a natural parent's bias.

Little CuChulainn · 16-03-2015 12:02PM

Personally I thought the SSM referendum would sail through but I've spoken to a lot of people lately who I would have thought would vote Yes who are actually voting no. And it's not because of homophobia or bigotry, it's because of thing like what Eames has brought up. They are simply sick of hearing about LGBT being raised in relation to everything. I'm actually quite concerned now that the referendum won't pass because of stupid things like this and the Paddys Day parade stuff.

conorh91 · 16-03-2015 12:05PM

Shrap wrote: »

Essentially, I think adoption boards DO take natural parent's preferences into account as much as possible. However, giving natural parents a veto on who can/can't adopt their child would overly complicate the process...

When Pat asked her if birth parents should have a final say (or he may have used the word veto), Eames specifically responded by saying the views of birth parents should be 'taken into account' and 'noted'.

Pat didn't press the issue, but it seems she was deliberately qualifying her remarks in order to stop short of a full veto.

zanador · 16-03-2015 12:09PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Personally I thought the SSM referendum would sail through but I've spoken to a lot of people lately who I would have thought would vote Yes who are actually voting no. And it's not because of homophobia or bigotry, it's because of thing like what Eames has brought up. They are simply sick of hearing about LGBT being raised in relation to everything. I'm actually quite concerned now that the referendum won't pass because of stupid things like this and the Paddys Day parade stuff.

People would put other people's happiness aside because they're annoyed about hearing about them being discriminated against? Sigh.

Shrap · 16-03-2015 12:10PM

conorh91 wrote: »

Pat didn't press the issue, but it seems she was deliberately qualifying her remarks in order to stop short of a full veto.

Why make some change to the bill at all then, seeing as adoption boards already take into account views of birth parents as far as possible? This comes down to her trying to point at the "problem" of gay couples having children again IMO.

BMJD · 16-03-2015 12:13PM

it sounds to me like this Fiddly Hands Eames chick just needs a good ride

conorh91 · 16-03-2015 12:13PM

Shrap wrote: »

Why make some change to the bill at all then, seeing as adoption boards already take into account views of birth parents as far as possible? This comes down to her trying to point at the "problem" of gay couples having children again IMO.

She said she wants clarification. I assume that means clarification that the constitutional amendment will not alter the current situation, or perhaps she wants there to be a statutory obligation to consider the wishes of birth parents, if such an obligation does not already exist. I don't know. Maybe you should ask FHM that question.

Personally I think she's a bit paranoid but her concerns are genuinely and honestly held, and probably shared by others. I see no problem with her voicing them.

brooke 2 · 16-03-2015 12:16PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

She said the US. that is in canada. She obviously wasnt a geography teacher.

Touché!!

Fidelma Healy Eames at it again. Claims SSM might mean that Mother's Day is banned!

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