People who hire hookers?

Nucular Arms · 13-03-2015 11:49AM

It's probably a relative scoring really.

I.e. a 1 out of five for a hooker is probably relative to other hookers. Still may (or may not) be better than a 1 star average person.

The same way if you were getting a lift off a friend and their car was messy you wouldn't think much about it, but if you are paying a cab service you would be highly critical of the same.

LDN_Irish · 13-03-2015 11:50AM

Saralee4 wrote: »

What it simply means is that he chose to sleep with 5 star women by paying for it.

I've snipped loads of your post but my reply applies to all of it.

How is any of that relevant? It's not, at all. The point isn't that women who aren't prostitutes are not good in bed, it's that a prostitute with 20 reviews between 4 and 5 star is a known entity with a vested interest in protecting herself from bad reviews to increase or maintain the demand for her service. When compared with this, a prospective one night stand that the man hooks up with is a completely unknown entity, she's not guaranteed to have any motivators other than her own pleasure. She may be inclined to be very eager to please as that may be how she derives pleasure from sex, or she might not.

LDN_Irish · 13-03-2015 11:54AM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

How is any of that relevant? It's not, all.

Just to be clear here, I mean "how is any of that relevant to your position that using a prostitute is no more a guarantee of "great sex" than a one night stand borne of mutual attraction/desire? And if that's not why you're saying, then what is you're attempting to refute?

The Corinthian · 13-03-2015 12:08PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

Corinthian, im not sure why you keep bringing my marriage into conversation but no we have not made 'mistakes', we have both been faithful to one another since we have been together.

Because you are basing your arguments on your 'experience'. I am questioning that experience.

My response was that 'we are very happy' because you made the comment that 'your not married long are you?' which implied that we were not together long and still in the infatuation phase of a newer relationship.

I don't care if you're "very happy", we were discussing quality of sex, not overall happiness. You created that parallel all on your own.

Or are you saying the sex is exactly the same as day one? Is that what you wish to claim? No change in frequency? Effort?

I am sorry if you feel that way but I have only been responding to posts that you have put up and questions you have asked me. I mistook 'many' for 'all'. Many would mean that you think a lot of women?

People. Again, people. I was clear what I believed even the first time I mentioned it. Yet you keep on trying to portray it as appertaining to only one gender. Why do you insist on doing so.

Im not sure but you have to go with how you read the posts because every single word cannot be analysed and nit picked over.

Are you seriously trying to justify not being able to read English, multiple times in this thread, as somehow perfectly OK?

I just replied to it with what I feel is a valid point and my experience. You can say many people are selfish in bed and I can say that many people are caring.

Experience of one man in the last ten years (I presume)? Or where do you get your wealth of experience? From what I can see, you don't have much and are simply promoting what you want the truth to me rather than any you have from experience.

The Corinthian · 13-03-2015 12:15PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

I personally don't believe you can rate people with stars for their sexual performance however for the sake of conversation here, unfortunately there is no star system for 'average' women so it doesn't really come into the argument of whether they are better or not.

So one may not even subjectively rate a partner's sexual competence? Beg to differ.

A man may have slept with 20 average women and only give each one of them one star and sleep with 20 (already rated 5 star) hookers and he may give them 5 stars however it does not mean that hookers in general are better than average women.

Actually, the principle arguments in favour of a prostitute being on average better at sex have been;

He/she has more practice.
He/she is incentivized to be better for commercial reasons.
He/she is in an environment where frank exchange of information on the topic is more readily available.

So if you want to rebut some arguments, please rebut the ones that were made.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 12:22PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Just to be clear here, I mean "how is any of that relevant to your position that using a prostitute is no more a guarantee of "great sex" than a one night stand borne of mutual attraction/desire? And if that's not why you're saying, then what is you're attempting to refute?

Well it isn't, is it?

It's no different to acknowledging that iPhones are a popular phone, but do all people feel that way? Popular agreement among people that evidently don't know any better is hardly a guarantee of anything either.

Some people's opinions here about what's attractive and so on, are definitely subjective, and while their opinion may be popular, it doesn't indicate anything other than some people clearly have no taste

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 12:26PM

SeanW wrote: »

Even if we accept this is subjective, how many 1 star hookers do you think there are? Whatever the proportion, how do they stay in business?

Well without having slept with the hooker, and you were observing and judging , would you say a 600lb hooker was a 1 or a 5? Some would say a 100, some would say -100.

What about over 70 year old hooker? would you say 1 or a 5? would you say she is rated as a 5 as opposed to other 70 year old hookers or as opposed to all other hookers?

Even if you talk about the general conceptions of beauty in which the probable majority of men want, then there is still enough business for the ones that those men consider a 1.

Would a very beautiful hooker be rated as a 5 but not be as adventurous or willing to do certain things but be a 5 just because she was pretty? or is she only a 1 compared to the beautiful hooker who will do anything and more for you.
　

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Just to be clear here, I mean "how is any of that relevant to your position that using a prostitute is no more a guarantee of "great sex" than a one night stand borne of mutual attraction/desire? And if that's not why you're saying, then what is you're attempting to refute?

No what i am saying is that hookers in general are not better in bed than other women in general. And other women in general are not better in bed than hookers.

Hookers are women. There is no reason why a normal woman does not possess the 'skills' that a hooker has. The other woman may just not be willing to do that for one man but she may be willing to do it for another man. If that man cannot find a woman that will do that for him then great,he should go see a hooker and get her to do that but it does not mean that hookers are better at having sex, it means that hookers are better for him.

Also you are not guaraunteed. Some people can fake repoire really well but it is also down to the man and his perception of the event and even if it is a quick encounter with the hooker, there still will be some connection on at least one side even if it is not lasting or emotional, negative or positive. And that is not guaranteed.

Sorry about the font!!

LDN_Irish · 13-03-2015 12:32PM

If 20 people describe an iPhone and it's features on an Internet listing, and the Galaxy S5 has no reviews and no details, the iPhone is more of an known entity than the S5. Personally, I think the S5 is better, but I have no way of knowing that in the absence of any information on it. If I buy the iPhone I'm guaranteed a phone that at least X amount of people think are great and know what those X amount of people have criticised about it.

Subjective reviews > No reviews when looking at the potential of a transaction to meet your requirements.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 12:34PM

The Corinthian wrote: »

People. Again, people.

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I decided, that I should not respond your questions and stopped reading after that.

LDN_Irish · 13-03-2015 12:40PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

No what i am saying is that hookers in general are not better in bed than other women in general. And other women in general are not better in bed than hookers.

Well, you have no way of knowing that, neither do I never having slept with a prostitute. But those aren't the pertinent facts. What's pertinent is that many on here have said that they've had considerably better sex with prostitutes than they have with sex borne of mutual desire. You've put forward reasons you believe that that may be the case, but ultimately what you or I believe is worthless on the subject, neither of us have had sex with prostitutes. You're guessing.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 12:47PM

The Corinthian wrote: »

Actually, the principle arguments in favour of a prostitute being on average better at sex have been;

May I have a go at these?

He/she has more practice.

Correlation/causation fallacy. A person's number of previous sexual partners has no direct relationship with their future partners. I shouldn't have to be stating the obvious, but because people are individuals, the experience is never going to be the same as the last person, or the next person, and anyone who thinks that they have one foolproof bag of tricks that they assume works all the time, every time, well they're clearly not a person who thinks outside the box all too often.

He/she is incentivized to be better for commercial reasons.

Better at knowing what customers want, certainly; sexually? Not necessarily. You're paying for that person's time after all, what you do in that time isn't always sexual. Sometimes you just want someone to listen to you whinge and moan when nobody else will, because you're not paying them.

He/she is in an environment where frank exchange of information on the topic is more readily available.

Working off the assumption that all sex workers talk about is sex, and that people who are not sex workers wouldn't talk about... "that sort of thing".

Perhaps not in your experience, but I can't say my experience has been the same.

So if you want to rebut some arguments, please rebut the ones that were made.

The 'arguments' being made, are impossible to refute absolutely, because the evidence presented is entirely subjective.

Colinf1212 · 13-03-2015 12:49PM

First experience recently. 90 quid for a spanish mother of 2 for 75mins in bfast last month.Had to use a dom, she said i was too big, couldnt be aggressiv with her, had anal for 20 secs b4 shesaid it hurt 2 much, cudnt cum cos of dom . Even domless handjob didnt do much cus i was still a bit half cut from the night before I never pay anything for one night stands to girls here and i can be aggressive with no dom and cum. The Scottish one night stands i get here look like models. No point of getting escorts Waste of $$$

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 12:58PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

If 20 people describe an iPhone and it's features on an Internet listing, and the Galaxy S5 has no reviews and no details, the iPhone is more of an known entity than the S5. Personally, I think the S5 is better, but I have no way of knowing that in the absence of any information on it. If I buy the iPhone I'm guaranteed a phone that at least X amount of people think are great and know what those X amount of people have criticised about it.

Subjective reviews > No reviews when looking at the potential of a transaction to meet your requirements.

Other people's subjective reviews of a person are better than judging for yourself a person who stands before you?

My experience again, says otherwise.

LDN_Irish · 13-03-2015 01:09PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Other people's subjective reviews of a person are better than judging for yourself a person who stands before you?

My experience again, says otherwise.

Others peoples subjective experiences of actual sex are likely to be a better reference than what I imagine to be my experience of sex with someone in front of me, I think. If you can tell how good a woman will be in bed by looking at her, or to use your phone analogy, you can tell which is the better of 2 phones while they are both turned off, then that's quite an impressive talent. How good is your guess rate?

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 01:21PM

Baloondoor wrote: »

On what basis are you saying hookers aren't better in bed than other women? Have you ever had sex with any women?

On the basis that they don't possess anything any other woman doesn't.

If you do know of a sex worker in possession of a third tit, I've no doubt there are people exist who would be interested to make her acquaintance.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 01:23PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Others peoples subjective experiences of actual sex are likely to be a better reference than what I imagine to be my experience of sex with someone in front of me, I think. If you can tell how good a woman will be in bed by looking at her, or to use your phone analogy, you can tell which is the better of 2 phones while they are both turned off, then that's quite an impressive talent. How good is your guess rate?

Not to blow my own trumpet, but...

Impressive!

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 01:31PM

Baloondoor wrote: »

On what basis are you saying hookers aren't better in bed than other women? Have you ever had sex with any women?

That has been my point all along that hookers are not any better or worse. I have never said they aren't better or are better.

This is not me defending the average woman and her ability to perform sexually. Its not woman v's hooker.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 01:34PM

Baloondoor wrote: »

Do you think an average person off the street is just as good at programming as a professional programmer?

Your argument fails on two points -

Sex workers are no more or less a person than anyone else. Therefore the word "average" with reference to people is entirely inconsequential.

Sex work requires no specialist training or skills. Given the right opportunities and guidance, anyone can be just as good at programming as a person who makes their living as a professional programmer.

Forest Demon · 13-03-2015 01:34PM

Anyone remember TJ Hooker?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hci3fWEx-JA

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 01:41PM

Baloondoor wrote: »

How do you know they aren't better or worse on average when you haven't had sex with them?

exactly, I don't. the men who have slept with hookers have not slept with every hooker and then slept with every other woman and then done up averages.

They have based it all on their own experience and perception which is not the perception of all men and means that it is not a fact that hookers are better or worse, but just that it is that mans particular opinion.

aidan24326 · 13-03-2015 01:43PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Correlation/causation fallacy. A person's number of previous sexual partners has no direct relationship with their future partners. I shouldn't have to be stating the obvious, but because people are individuals, the experience is never going to be the same as the last person, or the next person, and anyone who thinks that they have one foolproof bag of tricks that they assume works all the time, every time, well they're clearly not a person who thinks outside the box all too often.

True to a point, but there's no use in pretending that practise/experience doesn't matter at all, because it does. i agree that in terms of an actual relationship sexual chemistry and emotional connection matters more than any technique or the mechanics of the thing but guys presumably don't visit escorts to find an emotional connection. Where it's done between two consenting adults and no-one is being forced or coerced then there's nothing inherently wrong with it. If the girl is doing it by choice, and she's making good money, then she's hardly a victim.

The Corinthian · 13-03-2015 01:43PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

I decided, that I should not respond your questions and stopped reading after that.

Feigning indignance and refusing to respond is a common enough tactic by those who have been exposed in debate. I was expecting it.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 01:47PM

Baloondoor wrote: »

For the person who needs to hire a programmer now it is irrelevant that someone can be trained to be just as good when you want to hire a programmer now.

I have experience having sex with a significant number escorts and women who are not escorts, on average the escorts have been significantly better at sex.

I wonder how the hookers would rate punters against the 'average man' they choose to sleep with. Would they say that punters are significantly worse or better at sex would you say? From your experience with escort's that is?

I mean if a hooker is significantly better, because of reasons giving here, could a punter be significantly worse?

Dyr · 13-03-2015 01:51PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

Its not woman v's hooker.

I'm going to pitch that concept to the discovery channel

They might just call it fish wars though

SeanW · 13-03-2015 01:55PM

Saralee4 wrote: »

I wonder how the hookers would rate punters against the 'average man' they choose to sleep with. Would they say that punters are significantly worse or better at sex would you say? From your experience with escort's that is?

I mean if a hooker is significantly better, because of reasons giving here, could a punter be significantly worse?

Seems reasonable, the punter is only concerned about his own gratification, the money being the motivator for the hooker.

Saralee4 · 13-03-2015 02:08PM

Baloondoor wrote: »

You'd have to ask the hookers, I wouldn't presume to know better than those with actual experience as you seem to be doing.

Nope I told you im not saying either one is better than the other. I am saying that it is all based on the personal experience of a person and that is based on their perception and situation and like we have said is subjective.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 02:26PM

Baloondoor wrote: »

For the person who needs to hire a programmer now it is irrelevant that someone can be trained to be just as good when you want to hire a programmer now.

You didn't mention any urgency in your initial post, so 'twas a bit of a ****e comparison really.

However, if a person just wants sex now, then a sex worker is unlikely to be their first port of call. The expression "any port in a storm", although crass and so on, holds true.

"Beer goggles", etc, and from the many experiences of many of my female friends, it appears that truism isn't solely applicable to men.

I have experience having sex with a significant number escorts and women who are not escorts, on average the escorts have been significantly better at sex.

Good for you, but your experience counts for nothing in my book. I don't know you and therefore I'm simply going to take your opinion with a pinch of salt, primarily though because my experience doesn't jig with yours, but I'm reluctant to reduce the discussion to a dick measuring contest. You'll just have to take my word for it... or not. Your choice.

Where your argument falls down is that you are arguing a point that no one ra8ised, ie the potential of escorts and non escorts to be good at sex.

You're shìttin' me? Have you been paying attention the last few pages? Nobody raised the point that women are 'better' at sex than women?

The fact they choose to make a living from it is what's irrelevant when you're questioning such a subjective measure as quality.

We'd all be visiting people who are sex workers if it became common knowledge that the quality of the sex is better. Do the vast majority of people visit sex workers? No, they don't, nor will they feel any necessity to with the Internet presenting them with opportunities to meet local people in their area who will fulfill their desires. Location based hookup apps, I'm sure you're familiar with them.

The salient point is who is better right now, not who has the greater potential.

Depends upon how bad you need to scratch that itch. If you're happy to settle for an over-priced pot noodle when with a bit of effort you could have the five course meal, well, more power to you, but I'll go for the five course meal, compliments of the house

The Corinthian · 13-03-2015 03:10PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Nobody raised the point that women are 'better' at sex than women?

Huh?

13-03-2015 03:38PM

There is a point that being missed, for some men the fact the woman is a prostitute and that he has paid her is part of the experience so therefor even if his partner or girlfriend is doing the exact same thing as the prostitute the subjective experience will always be better with the prostitute.

I would hazard guess that men who regularly use prostitutes ( as opposed to men who did it as a one off/ because every one else is doing it/ were drunk or what ever.) The regular users are not doing it just to have sex alone, there is something else going on, you can even seen it in some of the replies here...men who think they are not attractive, men who has issues with women, men who think women have all the power, men who believe themselves to have been hard done by in a divorcee and so on.

One eyed Jack · 13-03-2015 03:42PM

The Corinthian wrote: »

Huh?

Well the point I was making in saying that is that there are no particular skill set or formal qualifications exist to indicate there is any difference between a woman who happens to charge for sex, and one who doesn't.

People who hire hookers?

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