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Sinn Fein - looming health service disaster?

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  • #542
    FreudianSlippers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,396 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It is a job of 'work', if you value it at multiples higher than somebody in a clerical job, (so that one can live comfortably and well and the other can't make ends meet) that is up to you, you can top up your surgeon's or doctor's wage. I don't, I believe anybody who works should be paid enough to live comfortably on.
    Thank god we'll never live in such a world.


  • #543
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    . I don't, I believe anybody who works should be paid enough to live comfortably on.

    :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:


  • #544
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    FreudianSlippers wrote: »
    Thank god we'll never live in such a world.

    Well, I won't expect to see you on here criticising a broken health service or whinging that your taxes are been used to pay for exorbitant and out of control PS salaries.


  • #545
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,908 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    It is a job of 'work', if you value it at multiples higher than somebody in a clerical job, (so that one can live comfortably and well and the other can't make ends meet) that is up to you, you can top up your surgeon's or doctor's wage. I don't, I believe anybody who works should be paid enough to live comfortably on.

    So you think every one should get how much minimum and how much maximum?


  • #546
    Dog of Tears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Dog of Tears


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Well, I won't expect to see you on here criticising a broken health service or whinging that your taxes are been used to pay for exorbitant and out of control PS salaries.

    Because you're not allowed to do that unless you're an economic illiterate?


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  • #547
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So you think every one should get how much minimum and how much maximum?

    I'll leave that to people more expert than I. But I think it isn't hard to get the point I am making.


  • #548
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,882 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So you think every one should get how much minimum and how much maximum?

    Three fiddy. And three fiddy.


  • #549
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Dog of Tears wrote: »
    Because you're not allowed to do that unless you're an economic illiterate?

    What?


  • #550
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,908 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I'll leave that to people more expert than I. But I think it isn't hard to get the point I am making.

    You must have an idea of how much the annual minimum wage should be and what the maximum should be seeing as you are arguing the point. What should the minimum/maximum be in your opinion?


  • #551
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I'll leave that to people more expert than I. But I think it isn't hard to get the point I am making.

    What about business owners like yourself? Should they have a minimum or maximum profit level?


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  • #552
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Godge wrote: »
    What about business owners like yourself? Should they have a minimum or maximum profit level?

    A smart man like you must be able to see how stupid that question is...no?

    You can or would want to limit profits? :D
    Shouldn't your question be how should profits be used? I think I was clear on that one, if the business does well the employees and owner should also do well.


  • #553
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You must have an idea of how much the annual minimum wage should be and what the maximum should be seeing as you are arguing the point. What should the minimum/maximum be in your opinion?

    No really, I am not going there. That is something that needs to be worked out with all the relevant information to hand. Information I don't have.


  • #554
    Calina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Calina


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    No really, I am not going there. That is something that needs to be worked out with all the relevant information to hand. Information I don't have.

    I'd be interested to know what you would consider "relevant information".


  • #555
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    A smart man like you must be able to see how stupid that question is...no?

    You can or would want to limit profits? :D
    Shouldn't your question be how should profits be used? I think I was clear on that one, if the business does well the employees and owner should also do well.
    What do you believe the minimum wage should be in public and private sector?


  • #556
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    A smart man like you must be able to see how stupid that question is...no?

    You can or would want to limit profits? :D
    Shouldn't your question be how should profits be used? I think I was clear on that one, if the business does well the employees and owner should also do well.


    So business owners can pay what they like, there should only be wage caps in the public sector, why? Or do you favour wage caps in large private sector businesses as well?


  • #557
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Godge wrote: »
    So business owners can pay what they like, there should only be wage caps in the public sector, why? Or do you favour wage caps in large private sector businesses as well?

    Please read the thread Godge...all of this has been covered.


  • #558
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,908 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    No really, I am not going there. That is something that needs to be worked out with all the relevant information to hand. Information I don't have.

    Yet you feel qualified to state that a CEO of a billion dollar corporation shouldn't get the wage he is getting.


  • #559
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Yet you feel qualified to state that a CEO of a billion dollar corporation shouldn't get the wage he is getting.

    Yes. I believe people should be paid fairly in return for the time they work.
    What those exact limits should be I cannot say as I would need access to information re: the cost of living and other considerations which I simply don't have.
    Earlier I said that roughly speaking these should be somewhere between 150,000 and 40,000 based on rough guesswork, lacking the info mentioned above.


  • #560
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Yes. I believe people should be paid fairly in return for the time they work.
    What those exact limits should be I cannot say as I would need access to information re: the cost of living and other considerations which I simply don't have.
    Earlier I said that roughly speaking these should be somewhere between 150,000 and 40,000 based on rough guesswork, lacking the info mentioned above.


    Hold on though, you should be able to say what is the maximum you should be allowed take from your business?


  • #561
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


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  • #562
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,908 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Yes. I believe people should be paid fairly in return for the time they work.
    What those exact limits should be I cannot say as I would need access to information re: the cost of living and other considerations which I simply don't have.
    Earlier I said that roughly speaking these should be somewhere between 150,000 and 40,000 based on rough guesswork, lacking the info mentioned above.

    So in your world the people of Ireland would earn minimum 40k a year and maximum of 150k a year?


  • #563
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Yes. I believe people should be paid fairly in return for the time they work.
    What those exact limits should be I cannot say as I would need access to information re: the cost of living and other considerations which I simply don't have.
    Earlier I said that roughly speaking these should be somewhere between 150,000 and 40,000 based on rough guesswork, lacking the info mentioned above.

    What about Social Welfare and unemployed payments ? What should the amount be in those cases ?


  • #564
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So in your world the people of Ireland would earn minimum 40k a year and maximum of 150k a year?
    marienbad wrote: »
    What about Social Welfare and unemployed payments ? What should the amount be in those cases ?

    The thread is about SF policy, not mine. You won't be getting answers folks.


  • #565
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,908 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    The thread is about SF policy, not mine. You won't be getting answers folks.

    Because you CAN'T answer them!


  • #566
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    The thread is about SF policy, not mine. You won't be getting answers folks.

    You have told us now that you are a SF supporter.

    Are you now telling us that you don't understand one of their key proposals for the economy?


  • #567
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Because you CAN'T answer them!

    Like a SF speaker - can tell the world what they will do in power, but can't tell them How they will do it - how they will fund it.


  • #568
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Like a SF speaker - can tell the world what they will do in power, but can't tell them How they will do it - how they will fund it.

    How are you proposing we fund out of control PS salaries again?


  • #569
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,908 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    How are you proposing we fund out of control PS salaries again?

    And asks lots of questions but won't answer the ones put to him.


  • #570
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Because you CAN'T answer them!

    No, I can't answer for SF and I am personally not interested in a discussion on my own policies, if that is ok.


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  • #571
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,916 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    How are you proposing we fund out of control PS salaries again?

    It's not salaries that are out of control per se - It's the value we get for those salaries that's the problem..

    That's solved by standing up to the unions and enforcing a meritocracy, Enabling targeted redundancies aka Getting rid of the dead-wood and the wasters.

    Implementing proper systems of measurement and reward to ensure that people are earning their money and not just gliding on by..

    If anything , proper Salary structures with performance related pay rises and bonus will actual help to reduce overall costs and drive increased value for money...

    Simply telling everybody, good or bad that their salary is now locked to a specific value is counter-productive..

    The good people will be de-motivated and either stay, but slide into mediocrity or they simply leave..

    The crap people will dig in like a tick , continue to be **** and be thrilled to be getting a salary for doing a below average job...


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