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Sinn Fein - looming health service disaster?

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  • #482
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,247 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    If healthcare will be free unlimited & free for all, how do you save money on drugs by prescribing less?

    Seems fantastical to explode the consumption side of healthcare, yet contract the consumption of medicine.


  • #483
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    One thing I can't help noticing:

    When Happyman thought that Sinn Fein were definitely cutting doctors' pay by half, he claimed it would do no harm to the health service and it was a perfectly good proposal.

    Now he thinks they are not proposing that, and he thinks that that is also a perfectly good proposal.

    He's willing to support two completely opposite policies within hours. :pac:
    And I said that where? No need to be making things up now to add to what should be your blushes.


  • #484
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    One thing I can't help noticing:

    When Happyman thought that Sinn Fein were definitely cutting doctors' pay by half, he claimed it would do no harm to the health service and it was a perfectly good proposal.

    Now he thinks they are not proposing that, and he thinks that that is also a perfectly good proposal.

    He's willing to support two completely opposite policies within hours. :pac:
    And I said that where? No need to be making things up now to add to what should be your blushes.


  • #485
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    And I said that where? No need to be making things up now to add to what should be your blushes.
    Wait, so which of the policies do you agree with? The 100k pay cap for all public sector workers, or the small cuts for doctors?

    Or do you disagree with them both? :confused:

    Hopefully Mad Max will come back with a clarification from SF HQ and we'll see which policy you're going have to defend next time (even thought you are definitely not a member of Sinn Fein and are only toying with giving them a preference maybe :)).


  • #486
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Wait, so which of the policies do you agree with? The 100k pay cap for all public sector workers, or the small cuts for doctors?

    Or do you disagree with them both? :confused:

    Hopefully Mad Max will come back with a clarification from SF HQ and we'll see which policy you're going have to defend next time (even thought you are definitely noty a member of Sinn Fein and are only toying with giving them a preference maybe :)).
    My personal opinion is that nobody should earn over 100k for a days work and was quite happy to see that SF where proposing that in your OP. But disappointingly you seemed to have misled us and as suspected just wanted a hysterical rant. The other meaning of 'hysterical' as applied to laughter now applies. :)


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  • #487
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    My personal opinion is that nobody should earn over 100k for a days work and was quite happy to see that SF where proposing that in your OP. But disappointingly you seemed to have misled us.
    We'll know more when Mad Max reverts.

    Meanwhile, now you find yourself in the situation where you think Sinn Fein are taking the wrong approach to dealing with the health service, if they are not going to impose the 100k pay cap?

    Is this the first time you've ever criticised Sinn Fein?


  • #488
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    We'll know more when Mad Max reverts.

    Meanwhile, now you find yourself in the situation where you think Sinn Fein are taking the wrong approach to dealing with the health service, if they are not going to impose the 100k pay cap?

    Is this the first time you've ever criticised Sinn Fein?

    No, but carry on with this line of questioning and people might begin to think that you do have an irrational anti SF agenda at heart.


  • #489
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    No, but carry on with this line of questioning and people might begin to think that you do have an irrational anti SF agenda at heart.
    If SF do not in fact have a 100k cap for consultants, is this a good or a bad thing?


  • #490
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    No, but carry on with this line of questioning and people might begin to think that you do have an irrational anti SF agenda at heart.
    Is it irrational to examine policy platforms of parties seeking my vote??

    It's pretty clear that you have an irrational pro-SF agenda. I'm a floating voter - but I'll let you guess the effect on my voting intentions of SF supporters reactions to questions about their party's policies. You should be able to outline and defend your party's policies without resorting to ridicule, abuse and diversion.


  • #491
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    hmmm wrote: »
    If SF do not in fact have a 100k cap for consultants, is this a good or a bad thing?
    Yes. :pac:


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  • #492
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    hmmm wrote: »
    If SF do not in fact have a 100k cap for consultants, is this a good or a bad thing?

    A bad thing imo.


  • #493
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Is it irrational to examine policy platforms of parties seeking my vote??

    It's pretty clear that you have an irrational pro-SF agenda. I'm a floating voter - but I'll let you guess the effect on my voting intentions of SF supporters reactions to questions about their party's policies. You should be able to outline and defend your party's policies without resorting to ridicule, abuse and diversion.
    Point us to threads you have started about the current and past state of the health service and your 'examination' of the policy platforms that have gotten us there would you please?


  • #494
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Point us to threads you have started about the current and past state of the health service and your 'examination' of the policy platforms that have gotten us there would you please?

    This should give us another laugh!


  • #495
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    We'll know more when Mad Max reverts.

    Meanwhile, now you find yourself in the situation where you think Sinn Fein are taking the wrong approach to dealing with the health service, if they are not going to impose the 100k pay cap?

    Is this the first time you've ever criticised Sinn Fein?
    Lol,if one is going to accuse SF supporters here of deflection,one perhaps shouldn't at the same time be putting words into their mouths that they definitely did not say
    Happy is perfectly clear that he thinks 100k is sufficient for anyone at the top of their profession
    I'd agree in principle but in practice it's more complicated because We are a small open economy with free movement of labour across the EU and somewhat free world wide so have to be competitive in Salaries in the essential services anyway especially specialist health professions if we want the best for our citizens in our health service


  • #496
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Point us to threads you have started about the current and past state of the health service and your 'examination' of the policy platforms that have gotten us there would you please?
    Why? :confused:

    Can you not find a thread where there is criticism of current health policy?

    Time to get off your high horse lad. ;)


  • #497
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    michael999999 wrote: »
    This should give us another laugh!
    Great post.


  • #498
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    WheatenBriar wrote: »
    Lol,if one is going to accuse SF supporters here of deflection,one perhaps shouldn't at the same time be putting words into their mouths that they definitely did not say
    Happy is perfectly clear that he thinks 100k is sufficient for anyone at the top of their profession
    I'd agree in principle but in practice it's more complicated because We are a small open economy with free movement of labour across the EU and somewhat free world wide so have to be competitive in Salaries in the essential services anyway especially specialist health professions if we want the best for our citizens in our health service
    I agree it would be difficult but I also believe most people would think along similar lines and I would include a fair share of the medical community.
    As I said early on, the health service is riven with problems that the FG/FF axis have a tolerance for because of who they really represent- elites.


  • #499
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    Why? :confused:

    Can you not find a thread where there is criticism of current health policy?

    Time to get off your high horse lad. ;)

    Point us to one.


  • #500
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Point us to threads you have started about the current and past state of the health service and your 'examination' of the policy platforms that have gotten us there would you please?

    How about you post that link to the pdf that outlines the SF policies on health in detail and how they are going to fund all these changes. You were chatting away about his earlier on.


  • #501
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    How about you post that link to the pdf that outlines the SF policies on health in detail and how they are going to fund all these changes. You were chatting away about his earlier on.

    I didn't say anything about how they where going to fund anything, I was replying to a poster who was trying to say that a cap would be introduced without any other measures taken to sort the health service. Goggle 'Sinn Fein Health Proposals 2011' I can't link from phone.


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  • #502
    frankbrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭frankbrett


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I didn't say anything about how they where going to fund anything, I was replying to a poster who was trying to say that a cap would be introduced without any other measures taken to sort the health service. Goggle 'Sinn Fein Health Proposals 2011' I can't link from phone.

    Isn't the 2011 document the one with the €100k cap. The more recent pre budget submission is the one linked that mentions cuts in pay over €100k


  • #503
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I agree it would be difficult but I also believe most people would think along similar lines and I would include a fair share of the medical community.
    As I said early on, the health service is riven with problems that the FG/FF axis have a tolerance for because of who they really represent- elites.
    Hugely naive. Naive and dangerous.


  • #504
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    frankbrett wrote: »
    Isn't the 2011 document the one with the €100k cap. The more recent pre budget submission is the one linked that mentions cuts in pay over €100k

    I seem to remember it was advocating a 150,000 cap.


  • #505
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I agree it would be difficult but I also believe most people would think along similar lines and I would include a fair share of the medical community.
    As I said early on, the health service is riven with problems that the FG/FF axis have a tolerance for because of who they really represent- elites.

    Aye,I think though the issue is broader than that as well though
    People need an incentive
    Having an,and society fostering asperation's to better yourself,is surely a good thing
    This is where policy makers need to thread carefully
    Too tired now, to go too deeply into that discussion, it's been a long day :o


  • #506
    frankbrett
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,323 ✭✭✭frankbrett


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I seem to remember it was advocating a 150,000 cap.

    I think everybody is working off a different document. We're all getting confused :-). My comment related to the below:
    Ace2007 wrote: »
    In 2011 they clearly stated

    Cap salaries in the public service, including the health services, at €100,000 per annum. Latest figures show over 110 HSE staff receive more than €100,000 per year. The CEO of the HSE is on a salary of €332,113 per annum, with National Directors on sums ranging from €145,949 to €192,492.

    Now I can't imagine their policies have changed much since then on the issue


    http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2011/HealthDoc.pdf


  • #507
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    frankbrett wrote: »
    I think everybody is working off a different document. We're all getting confused :-). My comment related to the below:

    I'll check when I get back to a computer.


  • #508
    Ace2007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,029 ✭✭✭✭Ace2007


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    I'll check when I get back to a computer.

    Should invest in an iPhone, you can copy links on that


  • #509
    RecordStraight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭RecordStraight


    It's odd that between the whole lot of us, nobody (including the Sinn Fein fan club) can figure out exactly what SF's policy actually is.


  • #510
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Ace2007 wrote: »
    Should invest in an iPhone, you can copy links on that

    I just don't get on with phones.


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  • #511
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    RecordStraight wrote: »
    It's odd that between the whole lot of us, nobody (including the Sinn Fein fan club) can figure out exactly what SF's policy actually is.

    They are not policy, they are policy 'proposals' and as such subject to discussion and change. You should know this before claims.


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