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How should 1916 be remembered

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  • #32
    Karl Stein
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    pajc wrote: »
    I was trying to say not being part of the UK was good thing

    I understand that.
    spiralism wrote: »
    Wales, in other words.

    More like the bad parts of Wales with lots of militant Republican activity I reckon.


  • #33
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Storm the North


  • #34
    bodice ripper
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    irishfeen wrote: »
    The 1916 was hardly a failure - it created the conditions where Ireland became ungovernable.. after 1916 Britain could never regain the control it had, Irish nationalism spiraled out of London control from that point onward.

    It lead to the 1918 landslide victory by Sinn Fein which eventually brought about the signing of the Anglo Irish Treaty.. the 1916 rising directly led to Irish Independence.

    You'd have to take it up with the author of the book. To be fair, the book was entirely lighthearted.


  • #35
    fiachr_a
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    Next year is the anniversary of the 1916 rising, how do you thing it should be remembered
    John Loder film festival, he was one of the British soldiers Pearse surrendered to.


  • #36
    Mesrine65
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    fiachr_a wrote: »
    John Loder film festival, he was one of the British soldiers Pearse surrendered to.
    Pearse surrendered to his father ;)


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  • #37
    Donkey Oaty
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    Does anyone know what music will be played at the commemorations?

    If they are foolish enough to have a poll, this is the one I'm voting for:



  • #38
    Egginacup
    Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    GAA match in Croker between an all-star team from Ireland and a rather nervous 15 from the British Parachute Regiment. Tickets given for free to tans along with paid flight. Few minutes into the game, an armoured car barrels onto the pitch and riddles the bejaysus out of a slew of English spectators in the railway end.

    Pints after in Quinns.


  • #39
    Arsemageddon
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    Uriel. wrote: »
    Storm the North

    Could be tricky. Them crafty Nordies have established a defensive perimeter of off-licences and supermarkets selling cheap booze and groceries. Our lads could easily get bogged down by the fabulous bargains.


  • #40
    stimpson
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    Nodin wrote: »
    You don't have ancestral mamories like the rest of us?

    Nope - I'm a dude. My sister does though - maybe she remembers.


  • #41
    diomed
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    A big piss-up in the GPO.


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  • #42
    Lapin
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    Next year is the anniversary of the 1916 rising, how do you thing it should be remembered, should it be celebrated at all, has the blood sacrifice of 1916 any relevance to the Ireland of today.

    Taking it out of the hands of politicians would be a good start.


  • #43
    LordSutch
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    Next year is the anniversary of the 1916 rising, how do you thing it should be remembered, should it be celebrated at all, has the blood sacrifice of 1916 any relevance to the Ireland of today.

    It should either be remembered as those (who would have witnessed it at the time) > a destructive & unpopular sham/failure) or . . . it should be remembered as a gloriously popular revolution and a break for Irish freedom (this version has of course gained ground as the decades have passed) to the point where actual independence (1922/2022) is totally absent from any plans for celebration, I think?


  • #44
    Hans Bricks
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    Excessive street drinking and National embarrassment/shame in tomorrow's media.


  • #45
    Hans Bricks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Hans Bricks


    LordSutch wrote: »
    It should either be remembered as those (who would have witnessed it at the time) > a destructive & unpopular sham/failure) or . . . it should be remembered as a gloriously popular revolution and a break for Irish freedom (this version has of course gained ground as the decades have passed) to the point where actual independence (1922/2022) is totally absent from any plans for celebration, I think?

    Sounds like the 1916 centenary if it were planned by John Bruton or Graham Norton


  • #46
    Crooked Jack
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    Actually fulfilling the aims of the proclamation would be a nice tribute


  • #47
    Earthhorse
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    We should switch the focus to 1922 which could help us celebrate our independence without looking like we're celebrating violence. It's the ends we wish to celebrate after all, not the means.


  • #48
    Pumpkinseeds
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    I think there should be a gag order put in place to shut Sinn Fein up. They will bore the arses off us all going on about it. 100 years later and Germany owns us, yey, job well done to our leaders of the past century.:rolleyes:


  • #49
    Chucken
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    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    I think there should be a gag order put in place to shut Sinn Fein up. They will bore the arses off us all going on about it. 100 years later and Germany owns us, yey, job well done to our leaders of the past century.:rolleyes:

    Sinn Fein have been leaders of the past century?

    That's news to me.


  • #50
    cloud493
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    My history book of year 9 in England described the rising as a 'band of irish terrorists seeking to disrupt the war effort under the control of german intelligence'

    So probably nothing.


  • #51
    Dyr
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    We should get some guns, shoot some sasnaigh

    Maybe have a barbecue after. Kick it off just after a quarter past seven


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  • #52
    Un Croissant
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    I think there should be a Constitution Day where we vote on a raft of questions. 10-12 things for example. You've a year to lead into a new Ireland, building on the work of 100 years ago Bla Bla Bla....


  • #53
    MRnotlob606
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    Fine Gael have some audacity to think they are the inheritors of what the men of 1916 stood for.


  • #54
    Notorious97
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    I'd prefer to see it free from politics, with no party including our government claiming it. To be honest the men and women who gave their lives for our independence during the rising and indeed during the war of independence would not be looking on proudly of our class of politicians.

    I'd like to see the defence forces leading this one, free from political nonsense. I'd really like to see if any recordings or interviews of people who lived or participated in it that exists was shown on tv etc.

    I see remembering this event as something we should all be proud of, it marked the beginning of the end of British rule for the majority of this island and I am thankful that there was Irish people who volunteered their lives for this, up to and including war of independence.

    They should all be remembered proudly. Part of me wishes we had that class of Irish leadership in our current times.

    Not looking to start the usual tiring arguments about Irish republicanism and the rising etc, I just think Ireland should not be ashamed to be proud of its history.


  • #55
    ChunkyLover54
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    MRnotlob606 wrote: »
    Fine Gael have some audacity to think they are the inheritors of what the men of 1916 stood for.

    Who are the inheritors of what the men of 1916 stood for?


  • #56
    MRnotlob606
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,642 ✭✭✭MRnotlob606


    ChunkyLover54 wrote: »
    Who are the inheritors of what the men of 1916 stood for?

    People who stand for real democratic principles, not some false desiccated neoliberal crap


  • #57
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    MRnotlob606 wrote: »
    Fine Gael have some audacity to think they are the inheritors of what the men of 1916 stood for.

    Has it expressed such thoughts?


  • #58
    CrabRevolution
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    ChunkyLover54 wrote: »
    Who are the inheritors of what the men of 1916 stood for?

    Well, according to the relatives of the rebels, they are by virtue of their blood. Which is especially comical when you consider the rebels fought for a republic, freedom from aristocracy and titles earned by birth etc.


  • #59
    Uriel.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭Uriel.


    Earthhorse wrote: »
    We should switch the focus to 1922 which could help us celebrate our independence without looking like we're celebrating violence. It's the ends we wish to celebrate after all, not the means.

    '16 is more inclusive. To celebrate the "independence" of 1922 in such a way would to spit in the face of the brethren we left behind up the top


  • #60
    SEPT 23 1989
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    the majority of people swapped one oppressor for another

    nothing to celebrate


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  • #61
    KingBrian2
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    A massive re-enactment outside the GPO. Regiments of soldiers marching down O' Connell's Street. Fire works.

    The re-enactment could ask the public to play either English or Irish soldiers and have mock battles across the city. Use water pistols instead of real guns. Have some Irish ship be used as the Helga and launch some fireworks to simulate the Helga blasting the city. We could get actors to play rioters, Volunteers and do a mock Execution in Dublin Castle.


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