How should 1916 be remembered

Next year is the anniversary of the 1916 rising, how do you thing it should be remembered, should it be celebrated at all, has the blood sacrifice of 1916 any relevance to the Ireland of today.

Day Lewin

Statues on roundabouts. So we can tell the roundabouts apart. If you run out, there's always motorway exits.

bodice ripper

I was expecting a thread, but found a Leaving Cert question.

Wompa1

A few quiet pints

JaseBelleVie

Invade England.

Mint Aero

Miniature flags

pojfexcsc

All the hypocrites who glorify 1916 and pour scorn on all other nationalist movements can have a nice sing song and a scoop.

Donkey Oaty

Some sort of commemorative tea towel would be enough for me.

c_man

I think we should get a day off. It's what the Rising leaders would have wanted.

secman

When is it ?

pajc

I think it is very relevant to todays Ireland. Without it and the subsequent events it is very possible we would still be a part of the UK.

irish_goat

secman wrote: »

When is it ?

Next year.

MistyCheese

We should all rise up. Against Germany this time! Tá sé an cosa, eh, go bhfuil sé ag... craic agus capall. Okay I don't speak Irish.

secman

Well for one, i refuse to march around a school yard in short trousers like I was made do in 1966 for the 50th anniversary.

LincolnsBeard

pajc wrote: »

I think it is very relevant to todays Ireland. Without it and the subsequent events it is very possible we would still be a part of the UK.

And that is a damn shame my friend.

Mr.Shabby

A historical re-enactment with nerf guns. Tourists in 2116 can then ask why there are hundreds of foam fingers lodged into the bullet holes in the GPO pillars.

thebaz

the new Land League should have a firework celebration from ther new home on the Vico road - should be some spectacle

Karl Stein

pajc wrote: »

I think it is very relevant to todays Ireland. Without it and the subsequent events it is very possible we would still be a part of the UK.

A shitty underdeveloped part of the UK. Ireland would have been a bit like that TV show 'Shameless'. Yes, it'd be like 'Shameless' only with Irish accents accompanied by explosions and gun battles in the background.

Only for the 1916 rising, Home Rule, a lack of economic development in Ireland, and the rise of the British welfare state would probably have mainlined Ireland into a position of dependency on transfers from the British/English economy.

Home Rule wouldn't have expunged the Irish psyche of its desire for independence though. In 'Ireland the Dependency' there would still have been a continuous rebellion/insurgency and perhaps a civil war between those served by the status quo and those seeking independence.

We'd likely have become a right ****-hole, like the north in the 70's/80's, an island of Republican strongholds in a mollified dependency; Bogsides, Ardoynes and Divis Flats in all the major populations centres with bandit country in the rural hinterlands.

Arsemageddon

secman wrote: »

Well for one, i refuse to march around a school yard in short trousers like I was made do in 1966 for the 50th anniversary.

Padraig Pearse would have loved that!

irishfeen

They should be celebrated for what they were - Irish patriots... I'd love to see party politics being put aside for the events, think everyone on the island should be represented including Unionists and Orangemen.

stimpson

I wasn't even born in 1916. How the **** am I meant to remember it?

Wide Load

Few pints?

irishfeen

Wide Load wrote: »

Few pints?

be grand..

1916 should always be remembered as the year the stupid British Summer Time was introduced.
I think we should campaign for it to be abolished in 2016.

bodice ripper

quite honestly, this is where I first heard about 1916:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Heroic_Failures

pajc

Karl Stein wrote: »

A shitty underdeveloped part of the UK. Ireland would have been a bit like that TV show 'Shameless'. Yes, it'd be like 'Shameless' only with Irish accents accompanied by explosions and gun battles in the background.

Only for the 1916 rising, Home Rule, a lack of economic development in Ireland, and the rise of the British welfare state would probably have mainlined Ireland into a position of dependency on transfers from the British/English economy.

It wouldn't have expunged the Irish psyche of its desire for independence though. In 'Ireland the Dependency' there would still have been a continuous rebellion/insurgency and perhaps a civil war between those served by the status quo and those seeking independence.

We'd likely have become a right ****-hole, like the north in the 70's/80's, an island of Republican strongholds in a mollified dependency; Bogsides, Ardoynes and Divis Flats in all the major populations centres with bandit country in the rural hinterlands.

I was trying to say not being part of the UK was good thing

spiralism

Karl Stein wrote: »

A shitty underdeveloped part of the UK. Ireland would have been a bit like that TV show 'Shameless'. Yes, it'd be like 'Shameless' only with Irish accents accompanied by explosions and gun battles in the background.

Only for the 1916 rising, Home Rule, a lack of economic development in Ireland, and the rise of the British welfare state would probably have mainlined Ireland into a position of dependency on transfers from the British/English economy.

It wouldn't have expunged the Irish psyche of its desire for independence though. In 'Ireland the Dependency' there would still have been a continuous rebellion/insurgency and perhaps a civil war between those served by the status quo and those seeking independence.

We'd likely have become a right ****-hole, like the north in the 70's/80's, an island of Republican strongholds in a mollified dependency; Bogsides, Ardoynes and Divis Flats in all the major populations centres with bandit country in the rural hinterlands.

Wales, in other words.

irishfeen

bodice ripper wrote: »

quite honestly, this is where I first heard about 1916:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Heroic_Failures

The 1916 was hardly a failure - it created the conditions where Ireland became ungovernable.. after 1916 Britain could never regain the control it had, Irish nationalism spiraled out of London control from that point onward.

It lead to the 1918 landslide victory by Sinn Fein which eventually brought about the signing of the Anglo Irish Treaty.. the 1916 rising directly led to Irish Independence.

Nodin

mariaalice wrote: »

Next year is the anniversary of the 1916 rising, how do you thing it should be remembered, should it be celebrated at all, has the blood sacrifice of 1916 any relevance to the Ireland of today.

We should form groups and be given weapons & ammunition by the Government to take over buildings on the day. We'll be sure to have them back by six, scouts honour.

Nodin

stimpson wrote: »

I wasn't even born in 1916. How the **** am I meant to remember it?

You don't have ancestral memories like the rest of us?

Nodin

Nodin wrote: »

You don't have ancestral memories like the rest of us?

Or was it not beaten into you at school. Well the version of events the schools used to teach.

Karl Stein

pajc wrote: »

I was trying to say not being part of the UK was good thing

I understand that.

spiralism wrote: »

Wales, in other words.

More like the bad parts of Wales with lots of militant Republican activity I reckon.

Uriel.

Storm the North

bodice ripper

irishfeen wrote: »

The 1916 was hardly a failure - it created the conditions where Ireland became ungovernable.. after 1916 Britain could never regain the control it had, Irish nationalism spiraled out of London control from that point onward.

It lead to the 1918 landslide victory by Sinn Fein which eventually brought about the signing of the Anglo Irish Treaty.. the 1916 rising directly led to Irish Independence.

You'd have to take it up with the author of the book. To be fair, the book was entirely lighthearted.

fiachr_a

mariaalice wrote: »

Next year is the anniversary of the 1916 rising, how do you thing it should be remembered

John Loder film festival, he was one of the British soldiers Pearse surrendered to.

Mesrine65

fiachr_a wrote: »

John Loder film festival, he was one of the British soldiers Pearse surrendered to.

Pearse surrendered to his father

Donkey Oaty

Does anyone know what music will be played at the commemorations?

If they are foolish enough to have a poll, this is the one I'm voting for:

Egginacup

GAA match in Croker between an all-star team from Ireland and a rather nervous 15 from the British Parachute Regiment. Tickets given for free to tans along with paid flight. Few minutes into the game, an armoured car barrels onto the pitch and riddles the bejaysus out of a slew of English spectators in the railway end.

Pints after in Quinns.

Arsemageddon

Uriel. wrote: »

Storm the North

Could be tricky. Them crafty Nordies have established a defensive perimeter of off-licences and supermarkets selling cheap booze and groceries. Our lads could easily get bogged down by the fabulous bargains.

stimpson

Nodin wrote: »

You don't have ancestral mamories like the rest of us?

Nope - I'm a dude. My sister does though - maybe she remembers.

diomed

A big piss-up in the GPO.

Lapin

mariaalice wrote: »

Next year is the anniversary of the 1916 rising, how do you thing it should be remembered, should it be celebrated at all, has the blood sacrifice of 1916 any relevance to the Ireland of today.

Taking it out of the hands of politicians would be a good start.

LordSutch

mariaalice wrote: »

Next year is the anniversary of the 1916 rising, how do you thing it should be remembered, should it be celebrated at all, has the blood sacrifice of 1916 any relevance to the Ireland of today.

It should either be remembered as those (who would have witnessed it at the time) > a destructive & unpopular sham/failure) or . . . it should be remembered as a gloriously popular revolution and a break for Irish freedom (this version has of course gained ground as the decades have passed) to the point where actual independence (1922/2022) is totally absent from any plans for celebration, I think?

Hans Bricks

Excessive street drinking and National embarrassment/shame in tomorrow's media.

Hans Bricks

LordSutch wrote: »

It should either be remembered as those (who would have witnessed it at the time) > a destructive & unpopular sham/failure) or . . . it should be remembered as a gloriously popular revolution and a break for Irish freedom (this version has of course gained ground as the decades have passed) to the point where actual independence (1922/2022) is totally absent from any plans for celebration, I think?

Sounds like the 1916 centenary if it were planned by John Bruton or Graham Norton

Crooked Jack

Actually fulfilling the aims of the proclamation would be a nice tribute

Earthhorse

We should switch the focus to 1922 which could help us celebrate our independence without looking like we're celebrating violence. It's the ends we wish to celebrate after all, not the means.

Pumpkinseeds

I think there should be a gag order put in place to shut Sinn Fein up. They will bore the arses off us all going on about it. 100 years later and Germany owns us, yey, job well done to our leaders of the past century.:rolleyes:

Chucken

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I think there should be a gag order put in place to shut Sinn Fein up. They will bore the arses off us all going on about it. 100 years later and Germany owns us, yey, job well done to our leaders of the past century.:rolleyes:

Sinn Fein have been leaders of the past century?

That's news to me.

cloud493

My history book of year 9 in England described the rising as a 'band of irish terrorists seeking to disrupt the war effort under the control of german intelligence'

So probably nothing.

Dyr

We should get some guns, shoot some sasnaigh

Maybe have a barbecue after. Kick it off just after a quarter past seven