IFA support ban on guns.

Nekarsulm · 02-03-2015 05:20PM #1

I see that the I F A has rowed in behind the Gardai Hierarchy, and are supporting the Gardai in their attempts to ban semi-auto and pump action shotguns and rifles, and target and Olympic style pistols.
This is but a first step towards banning private ownership, and to have the IFA support the Gardai's opinion that licenced lawabiding owners are a danger to public safety is disgracefull.

MayoAreMagic · 02-03-2015 05:26PM

I don't really understand this. There is little amount of gun crime in Ireland involving guns on a farm. Maybe they could be stolen and used by criminals, but then so could a knife.

Father Ted Crilly · 02-03-2015 05:48PM

I might have read that wrong, but do the Guards want people to have pistols instead of shotguns and rifles?

larrymiller · 02-03-2015 05:57PM

This just reminds me of the 3 letters I got about my gun license. Oops

Nekarsulm · 02-03-2015 06:21PM

Gardai want a ban on all pistols, and all semi-auto and pump action shotguns and rifles. Then they will move on to double barrel guns. Their fixation is on the speed with which you can fire subsequent shots. There are 9000 such shotguns in the country. Last night there were two gun attacks in Dublin City, but as these were by illegal firearms, the Gardai don't know who carried out the attacks. They do, however, know where YOU live, so no problem cracking down on legally held firearms.

Dawggone · 02-03-2015 06:32PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Gardai want a ban on all pistols, and all semi-auto and pump action shotguns and rifles. Then they will move on to double barrel guns. Their fixation is on the speed with which you can fire subsequent shots. There are 9000 such shotguns in the country. Last night there were two gun attacks in Dublin City, but as these were by illegal firearms, the Gardai don't know who carried out the attacks.They for, however, know where YOU live, so no problem cracking down on legally held firearms.

If you include the time it takes to reload a pump/semi auto, there is no real difference in all types of shotgun.

Disappointed in the IFA...they should know better.

amacca · 02-03-2015 06:43PM

What happens if you already have one - will they reimburse you for the cost of replacing with a single shot (or whatever is ok in their eyes)

blue5000 · 02-03-2015 06:55PM

Remind me again what did the previous ifa president do before he got involved in mis-pronouncing hectares?

mf240 · 02-03-2015 07:07PM

The lads with no licence are the ones doing the harm. If they want them theyll get them.

The ifa will want a levy on the bullets next and then you can work away.

Username John · 02-03-2015 07:08PM

Ah, what do lads want semi-auto and pump action shotguns for?

I don't have a gun, and know little about them really. But I kinda don't see why you would need a pump action gun?

rangler1 · 02-03-2015 07:09PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I see that the I F A has rowed in behind the Gardai Hierarchy, and are supporting the Gardai in their attempts to ban semi-auto and pump action shotguns and rifles, and target and Olympic style pistols.
This is but a first step towards banning private ownership, and to have the IFA support the Gardai's opinion that licenced lawabiding owners are a danger to public safety is disgracefull.

Probably right, I got rightly reprimanded for letting my gun be stolen a few years ago and the guards arrived at a friends house and asked to see his gun and when he went to get it it wasn't where he thought it was, told the guards the wife must've put it somewhere else and they said was she in Tallaght lately :rolleyes:

Nekarsulm · 02-03-2015 07:09PM

blue5000 wrote: »

Remind me again what did the previous ifa president do before he got involved in mis-pronouncing hectares?

Are you the owner of this vee-hicle?

Nekarsulm · 02-03-2015 07:20PM

Username John wrote: »

Ah, what do lads workaday auto and pump action shotguns for?

I don't have a gun, and know little about them really. But I kinda don't see why you would need a pump action gun?

Because they are generally the budget, robust, work-a-day tool suited to farmers. They are safer as well, because they are generally not loaded until the instant before firing, unlike a double barrel which tends to be carried about in the field loaded. They, along with auto loading shot guns, are perfect for pigeon shooting over cereal crops etc. This all stems from the Gardai trying to ban pistol target shooting , and individual Gardai refusing people renewals of their licences. Despite losing hundreds of cases in the courts, where the Gardai were found to be acting outside their powers, they carried on. However a change in the law last October now means that the local Garda district is liable to pay the cost of any case they lose, so immediately the Gardai changed tack and are pushing for a complete ban, rather than be liable for cases where they are found to be acting outside the law.

Cattlepen · 02-03-2015 07:54PM

Just curious, where did the Ifa say this?

Nekarsulm · 02-03-2015 08:24PM

Cattlepen wrote: »

Just curious, where did the Ifa say this?

Published in this month's Irish Shooters Digest. They outline their submission to the Dail cross party committee on firearms licencing,
Strange to see IFA on side with Sinn Fein and the inner city independent T'S on that committee.

Nekarsulm · 02-03-2015 08:38PM

Username John wrote: »

Ah, what do lads want semi-auto and pump action shotguns for?

I don't have a gun, and know little about them really. But I kinda don't see why you would need a pump action gun?

But John, why should a motorcyclist be allowed a bike bigger than 125 cc? , why should a motorist be allowed buy a car of more than 1000 cc? Why should a farmer be allowed to buy a jeep with a 3 litre engine, when a suzuki vitari can be bought with a 1.6 engine?
At the moment every autoloader shotgun must have a plug fitted to limit it to holding three cartridges. So far, so good. But the Gardai then decided that only guns coming from the factory with a capacity of three shots should be licenced. No factory on the planet make such a gun. It's like saying that only long wheelbase land cruisers with a 1.5 diesel engine should be allowed. They don't exist!

cerastes · 02-03-2015 08:49PM

Username John wrote: »

Ah, what do lads want semi-auto and pump action shotguns for?

I don't have a gun, and know little about them really. But I kinda don't see why you would need a pump action gun?

As you say this when you also say you know little about them? I find that strange!why am I surprised at the IFA? I mean I'm not, but still didn't expect it.
So, all that will be left after this are the fullbore pistols, submachine guns, ak's and other firearms illegally held by criminals.
At least someone came along and stated what a semi auto shotgun and a pump can be used for, they'll go the route of double barrels too? Why it never dawned on me to escape this despotic backward little hole while I still would.

Username John · 02-03-2015 08:56PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

But John, why should a motorcyclist be allowed a bike bigger than 125 cc? , why should a motorist be allowed buy a car of more than 1000 cc? Why should a farmer be allowed to buy a jeep with a 3 litre engine, when a suzuki vitari can be bought with a 1.6 engine?
At the moment every autoloader shotgun must have a plug fitted to limit it to holding three cartridges. So far, so good. But the Gardai then decided that only guns coming from the factory with a capacity of three shots should be licenced. No factory on the planet make such a gun. It's like saying that only long wheelbase land cruisers with a 1.5 diesel engine should be allowed. They don't exist!

Well - I guess a motorbikes or a cars or a jeeps sole purpose in life is not to kill something. Whereas a gun's purpose is to kill something?
However - in the wrong hands motorbikes, cars or jeeps can kill - so we have licences, and also tests.

I guess this is why different rules apply?

To be honest Nek - I'm not huge into guns. Not trying to rile you, but I just don't see the big issue with the ban...

Cattlepen · 02-03-2015 08:56PM

Well if it true I'm finished with the Ifa. They will get zero support from me in the future

cerastes · 02-03-2015 09:01PM

Username John wrote: »

Well - I guess a motorbikes or a cars or a jeeps sole purpose in life is not to kill something. Whereas a gun's purpose is to kill something?
However - in the wrong hands motorbikes, cars or jeeps can kill - so we have licences, and also tests.

I guess this is why different rules apply?

To be honest Nek - I'm not huge into guns. Not trying to rile you, but I just don't see the big issue with the ban...

But more people are killed using them, they are inherent!y dangerous, on the other hand, legakly held firearms account for very little in the way of accidents and the absolute minimum in crime, does this kind of thing happen in Europe? Why are we exceptional

Base price · 02-03-2015 09:03PM

I am surprised that the IFA got involved in this. After all they operate IFA Countryside. Seems to be double standards in operation

Maybe the IFA and the Countryside staff don't talk to one another.

Username John · 02-03-2015 09:05PM

cerastes wrote: »

But more people are killed using them, they are inherent!y dangerous, on the other hand, legakly held firearms account for very little in the way of accidents and the absolute minimum in crime, does this kind of thing happen in Europe? Why are we exceptional

That's true - there are far more cars/jeeps than guns, and far more people using them everyday.

I really don't see what Europe has to do with it.

Cattlepen · 02-03-2015 09:06PM

If ifa are supporting the gardai on this may I suggest that farmers that this effects, withhold the levies on the factory cheques and request the previous years back. This might get whatever f**kwit that decided on this to change his opinion

vinnie13 · 02-03-2015 09:12PM

i find it hard to take in all the concern about licensed firearms in this country,there are about 200k legally held firearms in ireland so try recall how many times over the last ten years a licensed gun was used to murder someone??

i personally think because gun crime is on the rise from black market firearms with nothing been done to curtail it or knowing where to start the easy target to tie up with red tape and paperwork is the amature shoother.
its ony a few weeks ago by pure accident due to drug raids that machine guns were uncovered,im yet to hear about a arms raid uncovering a huge haul which leaves me to think they cant be caught and never will but as gun crime rises so will the burden on the amature shooter to prove a need more forms red tape.

we are a funny race, insted of dealing with the problem we go after the easy targets it seems to follow in everything we do.

dodo mommy · 02-03-2015 09:17PM

I wonder what is the reason behind the ifa's stance on firearms.

cerastes · 02-03-2015 09:24PM

Username John wrote: »

That's true - there are far more cars/jeeps than guns, and far more people using them everyday.

I really don't see what Europe has to do with it.

I mean on what basis is there to cut down amatuer shooting, shouldn't we be harmonising with Europe, other European nations have civilian amateur shooting, we seem to have turned out to be one of the most extreme for controlling its citizens.this country had civilian gun ownership under brutish rule, it seems only ever to have been curtailed under the existence of current and unsurprisingly the successors of groups that were involved in armed struggle.
It hints at their thinking.
Why don't they restrict someone on the basis of actual involvement in criminal activity? No criminal activity, what's the problem, how many legally held firearms are involved in crime?

valtraman · 02-03-2015 09:27PM

I think the IFA will be very sorry they got into this when FIDO is out in the field killing their sheep and they have little better than a stick to wave at him .The guns on farms are legally held with the licence fee paid . bannying is no way to go

rangler1 · 02-03-2015 09:56PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I see that the I F A has rowed in behind the Gardai Hierarchy, and are supporting the Gardai in their attempts to ban semi-auto and pump action shotguns and rifles, and target and Olympic style pistols.
This is but a first step towards banning private ownership, and to have the IFA support the Gardai's opinion that licenced lawabiding owners are a danger to public safety is disgracefull.

Where did you get that, is there a press relaease

Nekarsulm · 02-03-2015 09:57PM

Username John wrote: »

Well - I guess a motorbikes or a cars or a jeeps sole purpose in life is not to kill something. Whereas a gun's purpose is to kill something?
However - in the wrong hands motorbikes, cars or jeeps can kill - so we have licences, and also tests.

I guess this is why different rules apply?

To be honest Nek - I'm not huge into guns. Not trying to rile you, but I just don't see the big issue with the ban...

Different rules certainly apply.
We are amongst the most tightly regulated shooters in Europe.
To get my gun licence I must provide references as to my character from two people of good standing in the community.
I must give the Gardaí permission to enter my home without a warrant at any time to inspect my gun safe and security set-up.
I must give the Gardaí permission to access my Doctors medical files relating to myself at any time.
I must prove to a Garda of Superintendent rank or higher my reason for needing such a firearm.
And them some person with no practical knowledge whatsoever o shooting watches Arnie in Terminator and decides I am a criminal in waiting, and revokes my licence and can confiscate my gun without compensation.
Did you have to do any of the above the last time you bought a car?

Do you have children? Ever been in Smiths Toymaster or Argos?
Ever seen those "Nerf Rebelle" toy crossbows that shoot a foam plastic blunt "arrow"
Ever bought one?
If so, you are in possession of a restricted firearm, and liable to a lengthy jail sentence and 20,000 Euro fine.
fecking Joke is what it is.

Dawggone · 02-03-2015 10:09PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Different rules certainly apply.
We are amongst the most tightly regulated shooters in Europe.
To get my gun licence I must provide references as to my character from two people of good standing in the community.
I must give the Gardaí permission to enter my home without a warrant at any time to inspect my gun safe and security set-up.
I must give the Gardaí permission to access my Doctors medical files relating to myself at any time.
I must prove to a Garda of Superintendent rank or higher my reason for needing such a firearm.
And them some person with no practical knowledge whatsoever o shooting watches Arnie in Terminator and decides I am a criminal in waiting, and revokes my licence and can confiscate my gun without compensation.
Did you have to do any of the above the last time you bought a car?

Do you have children? Ever been in Smiths Toymaster or Argos?
Ever seen those "Nerf Rebelle" toy crossbows that shoot a foam plastic blunt "arrow"
Ever bought one?
If so, you are in possession of a restricted firearm, and liable to a lengthy jail sentence and 20,000 Euro fine.
fecking Joke is what it is.

Massive +1.
Thanks Nek.

I live in a country where people can rock into a shop on a sunday morning for a box of fags with a double barrel slung over their shoulder, and nobody gives a shyte....

It's Amerikana....put the population in a state of fear.

aaakev · 02-03-2015 10:58PM

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Do you have children? Ever been in Smiths Toymaster or Argos?
Ever seen those "Nerf Rebelle" toy crossbows that shoot a foam plastic blunt "arrow"
Ever bought one?
If so, you are in possession of a restricted firearm, and liable to a lengthy jail sentence and 20,000 Euro fine.
fecking Joke is what it is.

no your not. Crossbows are classed as restricted, true. Nerf rebelle is a toy and doesn't even come close to being classed as a firearm in any which way, the same way as nerf guns were able to be bought before they changed the law to make rules for imitation firearms like pellet guns for airsoft.

i agree with everything else your saying tho.

I think farmers need to make the ifa see they will not stand for this, im very surprised at a farming organisation coming out in agreement with this bull****

IFA support ban on guns.

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