Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Kerrydude1981 · 28-02-2015 05:18PM

So apparently Luke Shaw is tired,the lads on Setanta were discussing it there

The press will have a field day with that

jayo26 · 28-02-2015 05:18PM

irishfeen wrote: »

Marcos Rojo is a sound old skin i'd say ... he is flat out retweeting fans messages on twitter - genuinely think playing for United is his absolute dream.

I agree he seems a real settled family man that has to be good. He does alot of interacting with fans on instagram and twitter

irishfeen · 28-02-2015 05:18PM

Quandary wrote: »

The good -
Herrera continues to justify his place in the first 11. Himself and Blind started a bit shaky but became much more solid as the game developed. The two of them are always running into space looking for the pass which is great to see.

https://twitter.com/Squawka/status/571719262685044737

They put in a brilliant shift alright!

adox · 28-02-2015 05:19PM

I quite enjoyed that. The result was by far the most important thing but I do think it's a step forward performance wise.

Van Gaal on the money taking Di Maria off at half time and, although I felt slightly sorry for Falcao being taken off after he did so well for the peno, it was absolutely the right call before that incident so I don't have much sympathy.

Of course it's far from perfect but how about a little bit of balance and a bit of praise for the manager as well as criticism of every conceived wrong. Has switched to four at the back, which people were calling for, has played Herrera in midfield, which people were calling for, has played Rooney up front, which people were calling for, has played with two wide players, which people were calling for.

I get the frustration, and I was livid last weekend, but a magic switch isn't going to be suddenly turned on and it's the Utd of old. I thought today, apart from the result was a step in the right direction playing and formation wise. The tempo was faster than it has been, albeit still not quite up to speed for my liking.

One thing I would like to see is a consistent back four. It's crucuial to getting some continuity in the performances.

Nalz · 28-02-2015 05:19PM

Liam O wrote: »

Because they are the most cliché ridden people you could listen to in the game. Normally former players from 20 or 30 years ago.

Like Gary Neville, Alan Shearer and the likes?

Your point is wrong and flawed. A delivery can be good without an end product. Not all the time, but of course it can be. End of.

Maximus Alexander · 28-02-2015 05:22PM

Not clinical enough in the 18 yard box and Di Maria was cack, but generally speaking the performance was pretty good today.

28-02-2015 05:22PM

Trilla wrote: »

Why is it? Explain.

Attackers can make a last second change in their run, doesn't mean the crosser is not on the same "wavelength" as the attacker.
Attackers can make mistakes off the ball too

They train together 5 or 6 times a week. If Young doesn't know where the attacker is going to be running in the box then it's on him. Falcao has had no problem getting on the end of crosses throughout his career and yet now none of them, including Di Maria (though he put a few onto his head over Christmas) can find him. It's on them as far as I'm concerned.

The Moldy Gowl · 28-02-2015 05:22PM

Trilla wrote: »

That was not a "good" performance like you said.
First half was very poor.
Second half was average.

I'm just giving my opinion, its not bitching.

Di Maria was shít today - thats not bitching either. Rubbish in fact.

Its not good enough.

But it was good enough to beat Sunderland?

Nalz · 28-02-2015 05:26PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

But it was good enough to beat Sunderland?

yes, like the performance against Cambridge was good "enough"

Was it a good performance imo, no.

Happy we upped it a little in the second half - Herrera, Smalling, Young and Rojo were the positives from the individual point of view.

Massive improvements still needed.

Nalz · 28-02-2015 05:29PM

Liam O wrote: »

They train together 5 or 6 times a week. If Young doesn't know where the attacker is going to be running in the box then it's on him. Falcao has had no problem getting on the end of crosses throughout his career and yet now none of them, including Di Maria (though he put a few onto his head over Christmas) can find him. It's on them as far as I'm concerned.

Your point that a good cross is only a good cross when it has an end result \ attempt on the end of it is bollox. That's all I'm saying.

jayo26 · 28-02-2015 05:29PM

irishfeen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Squawka/status/571719262685044737

They put in a brilliant shift alright!

Ok I'm not having a go at you here I do agree they played well but just stating my point I made about passing enduring the game. Assuming that shows they were playing from left to right then they played only 2 balls into the Sunderland box that's exactly what's wrong with the team falcao and Rooney were moving about all over the place but no one was making a probing pass into the box. It was all sideways and backwards.
Now I get the point that lvg says the philsophy is to wait for the space to develops before passing forward but if we are that slow about going forward then it gives teams plenty of time to get behind the ball and that's what is happening.

Trigger · 28-02-2015 05:29PM

One thing for certain, Smalling should be starting every game at RCB from here on out, apart from the game against City he has been in good form and his composure on the ball has come on leaps and bounds under LVG.

Al Capwned · 28-02-2015 05:31PM

Stop digging Liam.

Of course a good cross can be delivered without an attempt on goal...

28-02-2015 05:42PM

Al Capwned wrote: »

Stop digging Liam.

Of course a good cross can be delivered without an attempt on goal...

If 8 or 9 times in a game a cross goes in from the same player, gets good loft and into a "good" area but nobody is there and it is headed out easily every time is that player doing well?

On these occasions Young would be better served holding onto the ball and not throwing away possession. I think he looked better when he was coming inside today, he should do that more when the cross isn't on.

keane2097 · 28-02-2015 05:47PM

Liam O wrote: »

If 8 or 9 times in a game a cross goes in from the same player, gets good loft and into a "good" area but nobody is there and it is headed out easily every time is that player doing well?

On these occasions Young would be better served holding onto the ball and not throwing away possession. I think he looked better when he was coming inside today, he should do that more when the cross isn't on.

If I'm not confusing you with someone else you have this weird thing where no matter how septic Evans is you leap to dispute even faint criticism, and no matter how well Young plays you leap to dispute even faint praise.

I think you might have an issue with making personality based judgements of performances.

irishfeen · 28-02-2015 05:49PM

LVG - "First quarter was poor, we looked nervous .. maybe it was because of last weeks loss"..

On Di Maria - "Players have to adapt to PL, adapt to culture... he needs time..."

28-02-2015 05:53PM

keane2097 wrote: »

If I'm not confusing you with someone else you have this weird thing where no matter how septic Evans is you leap to dispute even faint criticism, and no matter how well Young plays you leap to dispute even faint praise.

I think you might have an issue with making personality based judgements of performances.

Evans has been shít this season. I think he is a better player than Smalling and Jones. Just because I don't post "OMG Evans again ffs" when he heads it out for a corner and not a throw doesn't change that I think he's been bad.

Young has never scored or assisted enough for a top winger at United. The game isn't all about stats but for someone in his position and the amount of times he gets it around the box you expect a little better than 0 goals and 1 assist in the league every 1200 odd minutes. How is that personality based? He's been shíte and is getting praised for it.

bucketybuck · 28-02-2015 06:03PM

I can understand the argument relating to what is a good cross.

There needs to be understanding between the winger and the striker, its not about putting the ball into the box, its about putting the ball into the best place for the striker to do his job. Ideally when crossing the winger knows where the strikers run is going to end and thats the spot he is trying to hit.

With many of our crosses you get the impression that there is no communication between winger and striker, the winger doesn't know where the striker is going to be, so instead he is just trying to get the ball into the box and hope for the best. So what you get is a lovely ball that looks like a textbook cross but actually is ineffective because it isn't hitting the striker.

Timmyctc · 28-02-2015 06:16PM

Liam O wrote: »

They train together 5 or 6 times a week. If Young doesn't know where the attacker is going to be running in the box then it's on him. Falcao has had no problem getting on the end of crosses throughout his career and yet now none of them, including Di Maria (though he put a few onto his head over Christmas) can find him. It's on them as far as I'm concerned.

A colourful twist on the old saying

28-02-2015 06:17PM

https://twitter.com/Squawka/status/571712561965617152

Good penalty today and a gifted rebound. Hopefully he sees out the season in an advanced position in the team, 2 goals today has to be enough for LVG to keep him out of CM for the Newcastle game. I'd like to see Rooney and Wilson deployed up front for that.

Something is clearly wrong with Di Maria. He cuts the shadow of a man whose head is not 100% right at the moment for whatever reason(s) and therefore his football isn't either. Is dropping him for a game or two the answer? Seems that 'playing him into form' isn't really working at the moment. Top, top player overall but hasn't shown a fraction of that at the club yet, apart from very early on in the season.

Herrera continuing to show why it was a mindfúck to leave him out of the team. He wasn't Xavi-ing it up in CM today, but very solid and definitely one of our best players at the moment.

Smalling is continuing to win me over and is definitely the most promising looking out of he, Jones and Evans. Rojo has been a good purchase. Rojo, Smalling and Marquinhos for CB next year wouldn't be a bad pot to choose 2 from, although I think more than one addition is required during the Summer. Jones isn't offering anything when played and Evans has regressed something bad.

Mata has to be gone in the Summer, definitely if he doesn't get a start or two in the next few games it will point to that. Last time he got a run starting in the team it was the 10 league games from Hull to QPR (Nov 29th to Jan 17th, W6, D3, L1) where he was subbed off at half-time. His next start was against Cambridge where he scored on Feb 3rd, and in the last 5 games since then he has been subbed on twice late-on and an unused sub in the other 3 games. It is possible that LVG is saving him for the tough run coming up, guess we'll know soon enough.

Anyway, 3 points against a dire, bus-like Sunderland with our first clean sheet in the league since away to QPR on Jan 17th, will do grand for today.

28-02-2015 06:39PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I can understand the argument relating to what is a good cross.

There needs to be understanding between the winger and the striker, its not about putting the ball into the box, its about putting the ball into the best place for the striker to do his job. Ideally when crossing the winger knows where the strikers run is going to end and thats the spot he is trying to hit.

With many of our crosses you get the impression that there is no communication between winger and striker, the winger doesn't know where the striker is going to be, so instead he is just trying to get the ball into the box and hope for the best. So what you get is a lovely ball that looks like a textbook cross but actually is ineffective because it isn't hitting the striker.

This pretty much.

Found some pretty funny stats too.

0f34igaob0

Kalel · 28-02-2015 06:45PM

On the 8 or 9 crosses into the box thing, if the winger is putting 8 or 9 crosses into the same area you could equally say well why the hell aren't the strikers getting into a position to recieve them if they know that's where they are going to go

Headshot · 28-02-2015 07:08PM

Good to see Southampton fading way

Hopefully

Cantona's Collars · 28-02-2015 07:10PM

Shots
Di Maria – 2 (0 on target)
Januzaj – 4 (2 on target)

Passes
Di Maria – 16/22 (73%)
Januzaj – 23/25 (92%)

Attacking third passes
Di Maria – 11/16 (69%)
Januzaj – 13/15 (87%)

Chances created
Di Maria – 2
Januzaj – 3

kryogen · 28-02-2015 07:31PM

Happy with that in the end, it is a step in the right direction ,was a completely dominant performance and though we still lack a lot of cutting edge it was better in the second half then it has been for a while. The first half was bad but then it often is when a team comes and parks the bus and run themselves into the ground for the first hour.

Di Maria needs something to spark him but I don't have any great concerns for him, form is temporary and all that, he will come good he may just need to get this season under his belt before he starts to shine properly (ala Silva)

It has to be put in perspective of course, it was Sunderland at OT but the win is all important, and to top it off Southampton look like they are finally beginning to fade, couple more favours tomorrow and it will have been a great weekend, some great skill by Falcao for the peno btw, it looks like it isn't going to work out for him but that it is not all his fault, shame as he is a cracking player.

3 points down, 20 (max) to go!

28-02-2015 07:47PM

Louis gives praise to young Adnan with a good old-fashioned Dutch nerve-hold...

Maximus Alexander · 28-02-2015 07:59PM

If at least one of Liverpool and Arsenal fail to win tomorrow I'll be pretty happy with the weekend.

If both lose I'll be like

The_Kew_Tour · 28-02-2015 08:35PM

Just scanning through the threads and seems like quite a few are disappointed.

I personally thought it was a solid 90 minute performance, where we had good tempo for 90 minutes. We worked as a unite, we pressed high, our aggression was good and this led to Sunderland making mistakes in their own half. It something we need to work on more, but feel it could be huge for us if we do it right.

Young had a very good game. Worked hard, looked for the ball, beat his man and deserved more from 2 excellent crosses.

Di Maria had a woeful day, but his replacement Januzaj had a very solid game. I honestly think we have a gem in this kid and the flak he has got from some quarters this season is questionable.

Herrera was good. Lovely close control, although I felt he was hampered by Blind who I felt could have done better at times.

Overall I am happy enough after last week. The only downside is we still need to be creating 4 or 5 more good chances today, but this was a much better performance then some are giving it.

Rayne Wooney · 28-02-2015 08:39PM

I don't care how we get top 4 as long as we get it, the summer can be a time to reflect on how awful we have been this season

Liverpool have a far easier run in

We need to win the next 3 to get 4th imo

keane2097 · 28-02-2015 08:54PM

Januzaj had probably his best performance that I've seen today. Still frustrating decision making at times but actually passed the ball occasionally which was good to see.

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