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Golf MK5 TSI - Timing Chain Issue

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  • #32
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭kyote00


    presumably they cant really quote a repair cost without opening up the engine ?

    Currently suffering with a 1.4tsi ( 72k kms (2008)) - check engine light came on. Brought it to main dealer, they ran diagnositics which showed a host of timing related issues.
    Then quote 4.5k for repair ..... seriously ..... 72k kms and it needs a new engine....

    VW Ireland just washed their hands of it --- direct quote today was 'there are no known timing chain issues with tsi engine' and 'there has never been any recalls'

    I know all manufactorers have issues - but what distinguished the good from the bad is how the deal with customers when things go wrong....

    finalfurlong wrote: »
    Walrus,alarm bells raised when engine got noticeably rattly and noise not unlike a wheel bearing gone.Its my wifes car so it was probably there for couple of days before i got to hear it.Luckily I had it booked in for a service so probably avoided damage to head,valves in getting it seen to.It would be all too easy to leave it a few days and then you would b done big time financially.With goodwill i got spared brunt but i think the orinal figure was north of 1000 for chain replacement and tensioners ,rails etc.On the other hand i ran an 08 tsi passat 125 bhp for 3 years without an ounce of trouble and had 90000 miles when selling on.John- this is similar to your daughters car and you need to weigh up cost of replacing chain pre emptively with current value of car.All i can say is that the replacement chain seems the fix and will probably give plenty of more miles, if the car suits her needs now.


  • #33
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    kyote00 wrote: »
    presumably they cant really quote a repair cost without opening up the engine ?

    Currently suffering with a 1.4tsi ( 72k kms (2008)) - check engine light came on. Brought it to main dealer, they ran diagnositics which showed a host of timing related issues.
    Then quote 4.5k for repair ..... seriously ..... 72k kms and it needs a new engine....

    VW Ireland just washed their hands of it --- direct quote today was 'there are no known timing chain issues with tsi engine' and 'there has never been any recalls'

    I know all manufactorers have issues - but what distinguished the good from the bad is how the deal with customers when things go wrong....

    They surely can give you an accurate quote if the engine is still running. Had there been piston to valve contact the engine wouldn't be still running. Another job for George Dalton me thinks. What service history is with the car? Service history is a big factor in deciding whether you'll get goodwill or not I think.


  • #34
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭kyote00


    VW service history while under warranty, and indy after that - serviced on schedule.

    Car drove into dealer for diagnostic but now wont start....

    They (VW Ireland) dont recognise it as a problem hence no good will
    jca wrote: »
    They surely can give you an accurate quote if the engine is still running. Had there been piston to valve contact the engine wouldn't be still running. Another job for George Dalton me thinks. What service history is with the car? Service history is a big factor in deciding whether you'll get goodwill or not I think.


  • #35
    George Dalton
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    So what are you going to do?


  • #36
    spiggotpaddy
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    VW Ireland just washed their hands of it --- direct quote today was 'there are no known timing chain issues with tsi engine' and 'there has never been any recalls'

    So the weakest link isn't in the chain, it's in the main dealer.


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  • #37
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭kyote00


    can of petrol and box of matches.......:D

    Have a few quotes around the 1500-1700 mark

    The concern is that once its opened up, what happens if further problems are found....also in another year or 50k miles will it fail again ?

    If its a full top end rebuild and some pistons, then its probably quicker to drop a new engine in (have sourced a very low mileage BMY engine from a rear end write off)

    either way, its going be very hard to trade or sell it on


  • #38
    kyote00
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭kyote00


    Lets be clear, we all know its horse**** from VW Ireland to manage costs....

    As I understand it, it happens in 140bhp, twin charge engines from (about) 2007 to 2011 and its 'probably' due to poor manufactory of the chain or tensioners. All this can be made worse by the propensity of the TSI to use oil.
    Following other threads here on and VAG uk forums its seems there have been many cases, it has been written about several times in auto bild in germany in 2013.

    The legal and financial separation of dealers and VW Ireland also makes it hard for the customer ..... and easy for them to play phone tag....
    spiggotpaddy wrote: »
    VW Ireland just washed their hands of it --- direct quote today was 'there are no known timing chain issues with tsi engine' and 'there has never been any recalls'

    So the weakest link isn't in the chain, it's in the main dealer.


  • #39
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    kyote00 wrote: »
    can of petrol and box of matches.......:D

    Have a few quotes around the 1500-1700 mark

    The concern is that once its opened up, what happens if further problems are found....also in another year or 50k miles will it fail again ?

    If its a full top end rebuild and some pistons, then its probably quicker to drop a new engine in (have sourced a very low mileage BMY engine from a rear end write off)

    either way, its going be very hard to trade or sell it on

    Get your own engine done, no point in replacing the engine with one of unknown history or you'll end up back at square one. If the engine is done properly it should add to its trade in value, make sure to put all receipts in the service book.


  • #40
    George Dalton
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    spiggotpaddy wrote: »
    VW Ireland just washed their hands of it --- direct quote today was 'there are no known timing chain issues with tsi engine' and 'there has never been any recalls'

    So the weakest link isn't in the chain, it's in the main dealer.

    More like it's in VW Ireland. The dealer has to go with whatever VW Ireland say so their hands are tied to a certain extent.


  • #41
    jca
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,585 ✭✭✭jca


    Do any of the Haynes manuals cover the 1.4 TSI engine in either the Golf or the Passat because the only octavia covered is the diesel or the older petrol engined models.


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  • #42
    John T Carroll
    Closed Accounts Posts: 757 ✭✭✭John T Carroll


    jca wrote: »
    Do any of the Haynes manuals cover the 1.4 TSI engine in either the Golf or the Passat because the only octavia covered is the diesel or the older petrol engined models.

    I'd say Haynes are well behind the curve, I believe BENTLEY (USA) do outstanding manuals, they do manuals up to 2010 which might/should? cover the TSI engines.... have a google.


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