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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

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  • #8762
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    thelad95 wrote: »
    Have you not been watching any Champions League games over the last two weeks? The problem is the PL has turned into a total and utter hack-fest. It is far more physical than any other European league. Even Dortmund, who rest in 12th in Bundesliga showed a skill level last night that just simply isn't seen in the PL apart from Chelsea and when Yaya Toure is playing, City.

    All 3 English teams have been absolutely played off the pitch, two of them at home.

    yea, all premier league teams have been shown up technically and tactically, anyone who disagrees with this probably didnt see the games


  • #8763
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭kona


    Have to fancy ourselves against arsenal after watching that utter ****e.


  • #8764
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Monaco would have beaten us similarly, probably more considering we look worse at defending counter attacks than Arsenal


  • #8765
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    MythicalMadMan wrote: »
    Yes I just checked my numbers and it makes the spainsh league Doubley better. Also Man U are 6 goals better than Athletico and we arent even in europe its madness how it works out

    what?


  • #8766
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    kona wrote: »
    Have to fancy ourselves against arsenal after watching that utter ****e.

    Unless they go into one of their black holes collapses, I can't see them being that poor against United. I live in hope though.


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  • #8767
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    kona wrote: »
    Have to fancy ourselves against arsenal after watching that utter ****e.

    why? we cant even beat swansea!!


  • #8768
    TheDoc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Peak Arsenal


  • #8769
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,300 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    Monaco gave an exhibition of playing on the counter. Wish we did likewise, we have the players.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #8770
    MythicalMadMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭MythicalMadMan


    thelad95 wrote: »
    Have you not been watching any Champions League games over the last two weeks? The problem is the PL has turned into a total and utter hack-fest. It is far more physical than any other European league. Even Dortmund, who rest in 12th in Bundesliga showed a skill level last night that just simply isn't seen in the PL apart from Chelsea and when Yaya Toure is playing, City.

    All 3 English teams have been absolutely played off the pitch, two of them at home.

    Pelligrini and Wegner have shown they are tatically naive in europe but they were the same last season so the results this week dont reflect in anyway on the strenght on the premier league.

    Also if mert and giroud didnt have bad games tonight we arent even discussing this.


  • #8771
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    TheDoc wrote: »
    Peak Arsenal

    Doc, two words? I can only assume you accidentally hit submit. I am disappoint. ;)


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  • #8772
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭kona


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    Unless they go into one of their black holes collapses, I can't see them being that poor against United. I live in hope though.

    Perhaps , but I'd be disappointed of we didnt beat them after seeing that. They were miles off the standard tonite, couldn't even pass the ball.

    However perhaps what I'm saying is exactley what everybody else says about playing united. Can't score, can't pass, can't defend .


  • #8773
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭kona


    bangkok wrote: »
    why? we cant even beat swansea!!

    Monaco were down players and rarely score 3 goals, are 4th in France and coming off a bit of a bad run.

    I'd say Swansea wouldn't have done much worse!

    I'm confident well beat them now, were poor but not THAT poor!!


  • #8774
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    MythicalMadMan wrote: »
    Pelligrini and Wegner have shown they are tatically naive in europe but they were the same last season so the results this week dont reflect in anyway on the strenght on the premier league.

    Also if mert and giroud didnt have bad games tonight we arent even discussing this.

    i honestly think wenger doesnt have a clue of tactics, even in big premier league games he is always shown up


  • #8775
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    bangkok wrote: »
    i honestly think wenger doesnt have a clue of tactics, even in big premier league games he is always shown up

    Used not to be the case though. I don't know what's happened to him. He's starting to look like the game is passing him by.


  • #8776
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,300 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    I'd take wenger at United.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #8777
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Louis Van Haal wrote: »
    I'd take wenger at United.

    hell no, unless you want him to clean the canteen :)


  • #8778
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    Used not to be the case though. I don't know what's happened to him. He's starting to look like the game is passing him by.

    in the last 6 years how many times have they beaten man utd? not many id say, never beaten a mourinho team, destroyed last year at city, liverpool and chelsea, majority of big games he is tactically cluseless


  • #8779
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    bangkok wrote: »
    in the last 6 years how many times have they beaten man utd? not many id say, never beaten a mourinho team, destroyed last year at city, liverpool and chelsea, majority of big games he is tactically cluseless

    I don't disagree. I'm just wondering where it all went wrong for him.


  • #8780
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Lack of ambition from the Arsenal board and his failure to adapt tactically to the top teams.


  • #8781
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    Louis Van Haal wrote: »
    I'd take wenger at United.

    9rh7pd.jpg


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  • #8782
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    I don't disagree. I'm just wondering where it all went wrong for him.

    well when you think about it, when he joined arsenal he already had a top class defense and keeper, bergkamp was already signed for them as well, he had a wonderful team and then added the likes of vieira, pires overmars henry and a few other players, after the defense started to break up after campbell, cole, lauren toure etc he never replayed them with quality and continued to only buy technically gifted forward players....big mistake imo


  • #8783
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,300 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    bangkok wrote: »
    hell no, unless you want him to clean the canteen :)

    Sure couldn't be any worse than the way things are now and it would be nice to play some good football again and be exciting!

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #8784
    MythicalMadMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭MythicalMadMan


    Louis Van Haal wrote: »
    Sure couldn't be any worse than the way things are now

    Is the canteen in bad shape at Old Trafford. Shocking if true :mad:


  • #8785
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    Louis Van Haal wrote: »
    Sure couldn't be any worse than the way things are now and it would be nice to play some good football again and be exciting!

    im not happy the way we are playing but seriously, Arsene Wenger!!! he is past it, should really retire at the end of the season and maybe he will


  • #8786
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Silly interview man: "Why do you think Arsenal looked so ordinary and you looked so good tonight?"

    Berbatov: "Because... we... are good."

    Love that guy.


  • #8787
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Louis Van Haal wrote: »
    I'd take wenger at United.

    The gift that keeps on giving!
    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    Used not to be the case though. I don't know what's happened to him. He's starting to look like the game is passing him by.


    It seems like a stubbornness, he will either succeed his way, playing a brand of football he holds as his ideal, or not at all, he only has the one way of playing, doesn't really do plan B at all. They have a soft underbelly too which never helps them, you do have to remember also tonight they had Cazorla and Coq in midfield.


  • #8788
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    bangkok wrote: »
    well when you think about it, when he joined arsenal he already had a top class defense and keeper, bergkamp was already signed for them as well, he had a wonderful team and then added the likes of vieira, pires overmars henry and a few other players, after the defense started to break up after campbell, cole, lauren toure etc he never replayed them with quality and continued to only buy technically gifted forward players....big mistake imo

    Someone could twist that against fergie as well with the likes of beckham and Giggs etc

    It's easy to point out mistakes over 20 years


  • #8789
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    I get your point, but you couldn't level that accusation at Fergie, he rebuilt the club from the ground up when he came in, sold on the majority of the squad he inherited and built his own team and style before having success there.

    Edit: Unless I misunderstand and you mean he never really sorted the midfield after they left? Though I would still have issues with that :)


  • #8790
    The Moldy Gowl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,889 ✭✭✭✭The Moldy Gowl


    Oh I'm fully aware kry, I'm just saying wenger isn't as clueless as he makes out and cheapening him by saying it was luck was foolish.

    All ifs and butts. Would have been a great replacement to fergie if he retired in 03 and there wasn't that bitter rivalry at the time.


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  • #8791
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »
    Oh I'm fully aware kry, I'm just saying wenger isn't as clueless as he makes out and cheapening him by saying it was luck was foolish.

    All ifs and butts. Would have been a great replacement to fergie if he retired in 03 and there wasn't that bitter rivalry at the time.

    He was an innovator when he came in, a superb manager but he seems to be set in his ways now and unwilling to compromise some of his ideals to win trophies.

    There was no luck involved with the success he had, he built great teams.

    I agree with you, it would cheapen him to make out he just got lucky.


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