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  • #32
    Limewater
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2 ✭Limewater


    ryanf1 wrote: »
    I see no point in trying to do this.
    Its a daily ritual in the life of any single male.

    It really is worth it cutting back. Try just once or twice a week and and see what changes you notice.


  • #33
    thehomeofDob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭thehomeofDob


    Anyone interested in the idea of No Fap and in relation quitting porn might find the following of interest.

    Art of Manliness 4 Part Article on Porn (parts 2 - 4 at the bottom of the first)
    http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/10/06/men-and-porn-an-introduction/

    Reddit's NoFap subreddit including the FAQ
    http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/
    http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/wiki/index


  • #34
    AndonHandon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭AndonHandon


    thehomeofDob wrote: »
    Anyone interested in the idea of No Fap and in relation quitting porn might find the following of interest.

    Art of Manliness 4 Part Article on Porn (parts 2 - 4 at the bottom of the first)
    http://www.artofmanliness.com/2014/10/06/men-and-porn-an-introduction/

    Reddit's NoFap subreddit including the FAQ
    http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/
    http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/wiki/index

    Fascinating article in the art of manliness.com, I know that there is a difference between masturbating to internal imagery and external imagery; however, at the back of my mind there would be this uncomfortableness, something I'm not quite comfortable with when I masturbate to porn. As soon as I finish I would almost feel guilty. This compares to not masturbating with porn where I would feel, following completion, that I have been destressed and relieved; and ready to attack the world again.

    As a previous poster said about feeling the confidence and the benefits in the gym together with the general good feeling in everyday life I would echo this. If I masturbate just before I go to sleep I find it far more difficult to get up in the morning. My own feeling is that prolonged periods of no masturbation leads to a greater focus on everything in life, which in turn leads to healthier relationships with, not just women but everyone. As a result of this I find I do better when I go to chat up girl. I think the reason I do better with the girl is that I am not focusing on getting the girl into bed but instead I am actually, genuinely interested in getting to know the girl.


  • #35
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Ive gone without it for months when on a depressive episode.

    The desire to knock one off again is a great feeling what it happens


  • #36
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,130 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    efb wrote: »
    Ive gone without it for months when on a depressive episode.

    The desire to knock one off again is a great feeling what it happens

    That desire also happens in the shower or at times when undressing which usually results in an erection leading to the desire to knock one out, for me anyway.
    Did you not find that masturbating relieved some tension during a depressive episode?


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  • #37
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    ryanf1 wrote: »
    That desire also happens in the shower or at times when undressing which usually results in an erection leading to the desire to knock one out, for me anyway.
    Did you not find that masturbating relieved some tension during a depressive episode?

    I had zero sexual desire, its common when suffering a depressive bout.


  • #38
    JasperGeorge.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭JasperGeorge.


    Limewater wrote: »
    It really is worth it cutting back. Try just once or twice a week and and see what changes you notice.

    It actually is healthy for men to masturbate. Doing it daily decreases the risk of prostate cancer.

    I find this whole attitude very odd.


  • #39
    DoYouEvenLift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    Surprised this was locked so hastily without at least considering it could have actual serious discussions, which it has, but glad to see that was changed and it was reopened. Lots of forums already have chats and actual dedicated groups for this.


    I have tried it in the past, unintentionally for the most part though. The longest I went was almost a month I think. From my understanding it's meant to make you more energetic and motivated (to have sex and fulfill your now heightened urges, which masturbation quenches) since apparently it can cause an increase in testosterone. I haven't got or seen any scientific evidence to prove or disprove any of the claims of no gap though (someone really needs to get on that opportunity though srs) so I'll just talk about my own personal experiences.


    When I go longer I find that it actually does the opposite than what I expected. I feel less energetic and bothered, almost even depressed at times. Usually nowadays if I refrain it's with the aim to get even bigger loads, we all know how that is. I actually think that around 3-5 days, give or take one, without fapping is the best way to go. Feels like I have higher testosterone levels on the days in between and my energy and motivation, definitely libido, are almost peaking. So if you found a system similar to this that works and feels the best for yourself I'd advise trying it for a while.


    What I will say though is that I am all for supporting 'no porn'. Fapping and porn obviously go together perfectly but while fapping is harmless I don't think porn is. At least not in really frequent use. I'm sure you can find decent details on this topic if you cared enough to learn about it but I'm going off of my own opinion and basic understanding. When you watch porn frequently it can become a bad habit like any other and some people even get addicted. This can cause you to be less motivated to actually have sex and I'm sure some of you here will even know how that feels where you have/had girlfriends and can easily have sex but choose not to because what's even easier is just not moving and opening a new incognito tab. It can also skew your expectations of women. I'd talk more on this but it may break charter rules.


    So try what I suggested but without porn for what will probably be the best results.


  • #40
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Mod:

    Posting this after several posts had to be deleted.

    There was a clear warning that jokes and messing were unwelcome on this thread.

    Any more posts with jokes or messing will simply be deleted and posters will receive cards/bans.


  • #41
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    Day 30


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  • #42
    Macavity.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭Macavity.


    I can't and don't want to refrain from masturbating for an extended period of time. Need that dopamine.


  • #43
    Faith+1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭Faith+1


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    Day 30

    Jesus. :eek:....Any noticable changes?


  • #44
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    Faith+1 wrote: »
    Jesus. :eek:....Any noticable changes?

    I've more of 'don't give a f***' attitude to things in general. Get less stressed out.

    Average women look more attractive.

    My record is 84 days back in 2013, but I got bored and then broke it.

    Reboot is supposed to take 90 days, so that's what I'm aiming for at the moment.


  • #45
    D'Agger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    I've more of 'don't give a f***' attitude to things in general. Get less stressed out.

    Average women look more attractive.

    My record is 84 days back in 2013, but I got bored and then broke it.

    Reboot is supposed to take 90 days, so that's what I'm aiming for at the moment.
    What do you mean by reboot pugzilla?


  • #46
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,794 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Surely there are no real benefits to not doing it for weeks at a time other than to see how long one can manage without cracking one off.


  • #47
    Macavity.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭Macavity.


    I have no intention of going a week without masturbating. Always find myself getting aggressive and feeling dysphoric when I haven't masturbated for a number of days.

    No Fap holds no value to anyone other than those with serious masturbation and/or porn addictions.


  • #48
    veganrun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭veganrun


    Think the longest I've went is about 4 weeks. Sometimes though if I go too long I start to feel "uncomfortable", like I'm carrying around a big load and need relief.

    I'm trying to knock it on the head now anyway, mostly for personal reasons.


  • #49
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    D'Agger wrote: »
    What do you mean by reboot pugzilla?

    Addiction to anything ,inlcuding fapping, alters your brain chemistry. 90 days is seen as a landmark for starting the healing process.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU


  • #50
    JaseBelleVie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 936 ✭✭✭JaseBelleVie


    Serious question: if having an orgasm/ejaculating releases dopamine anyway, is this 90-day period all for nought if you're having sex too? I mean, surely if this 90-day and healing process and beating an addiction is all about orgasms (regardless of how they are achieved) it shouldn't be just a "no fap" thing, but a no orgasms at all, right?

    Or am I missing something?


  • #51
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    JaseBelleVie wrote: »
    Serious question: if having an orgasm/ejaculating releases dopamine anyway, is this 90-day period all for nought if you're having sex too? I mean, surely if this 90-day and healing process and beating an addiction is all about orgasms (regardless of how they are achieved) it shouldn't be just a "no fap" thing, but a no orgasms at all, right?

    Or am I missing something?

    Real sex is allowed and encouraged.

    Problem with fapping to digital images is that you're brain can't differentiate it from the real thing. You get a dopamine hit from it which builds dependence.

    Cavemen didn't have porn on demand.


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  • #52
    JaseBelleVie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 936 ✭✭✭JaseBelleVie


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    Real sex is allowed and encouraged.

    Problem with fapping to digital images is that you're brain can't differentiate it from the real thing. You get a dopamine hit from it which builds dependence.

    Cavemen didn't have porn on demand.

    Yeah, ok. But what about fapping without porno? Or if you have sex like twice per night with your other half? Is that not the same thing? Like how is your brain going to differentiate between an orgasm that comes (pardon the pun) from having sex or an orgasm from masturbation?

    I'm really not just seeing the distinction at all. And a dopamine hit from an orgasm is the same whether it's from sex or masturbation surely?

    Or is this "no fap" thing really just a no porn thing?

    Also, I'm not having a dig or having a go at all. I'm just not seeing the ultimate point of it. The aim is to eliminate the dopamine "addiction" that comes from masturbation. And yet sex is encouraged? Surely the end result (ie. an orgasm) is the same, regardless of how it is achieved?


  • #53
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    'No Fap' started off as a no porn thing, but people who fap excessively tend to end up using porn.


    This Ted Talk explains it way better than I can:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

    No real end point to it. More of a challenge for self-improvement than anything else.

    Some notice benefits from it, others don't.


  • #54
    JaseBelleVie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 936 ✭✭✭JaseBelleVie


    I guess those that use porn excessively do tend to fap more often. But I just fail to see how a dopamine hit gotten from sex or gotten from fapping differs. That's my only bit of confusion with it.

    Longest I went without an orgasm (in general) was about 4 days. That was my previous record.

    I'm actually in the processes of giving the No Fap thing a go as we speak, just out of curiosity. Haven't fapped since the 18th of this month. Was meant to be the 16th, but. Erm. Yeah. Less said the better.

    So I'm on 6 days at the moment. Haven't noticed a huge difference in anything much really. But I am interested to see how far it goes.


  • #55
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,336 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Pugzilla wrote: »
    Cavemen didn't have porn on demand.
    Well given the amount of representations of the female body and vulva that said cavemen readied up(and they were by far the majority of human images produced, the male was rarely represented) then maybe not P... :D

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #56
    JaseBelleVie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 936 ✭✭✭JaseBelleVie


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Well given the amount of representations of the female body and vulva that said cavemen readied up(and they were by far the majority of human images produced, the male was rarely represented) then maybe not P... :D

    Plus, some of them cave drawings were pretty racy!

    Also, chess is a pretty heavy stuff, when you think about it! (and have a filthy mind)

    The bent vicar (bishop) only goes sideways.

    The queen goes in every direction.

    Knights can TAKE pawns.

    If a pawn goes all the way, he turns into a queen!

    I mean, they let children play this, ffs! :eek:

    :D


  • #57
    DavidRamsay99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DavidRamsay99


    Australian researchers questioned over 1,000 men who had developed prostate cancer and 1,250 who had not about their sexual habits.

    The protective effect was greatest while the men were in their 20s.

    Men who ejaculated more than five times a week were a third less likely to develop prostate cancer later in life.
    Dr Giles said fewer ejaculations may mean the carcinogens build up.

    "It's a prostatic stagnation hypothesis. The more you flush the ducts out, the less there is to hang around and damage the cells that line them."

    A similar connection has been found between breast cancer and breastfeeding, where lactating appeared to "flush out" carcinogens, reduce a woman's risk of the disease, New Scientist reports.

    Another theory put forward by the researchers is that ejaculation may induce prostate glands to mature fully, making them less susceptible to carcinogens.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm


  • #58
    Pugzilla
    Site Banned Posts: 1,762 ✭✭✭Pugzilla


    Jan. 27, 2009 -- Frequent masturbation in young men is linked to higher risk of early prostate cancer, but it lowers prostate cancer risk for men in their 50s, a study shows.

    High levels of male sex hormones, or androgens, may increase a man's risk of prostate cancer. But different studies of this question, done in different ways, have reached different conclusions.

    To look at the question in a new way, a team of researchers at England's University of Nottingham looked at whether men with more intense sex drives were at higher risk of prostate cancer.

    Polyxeni Dimitropoulou, PhD; Rosalind Eeles, PhD, FRCP; and Kenneth R. Muir, PhD, obtained detailed sexual histories from 840 men. About half the men got prostate cancer by age 60, and about half did not have cancer.

    The findings were surprising. Sexual intercourse did not affect prostate cancer risk. But frequent masturbation did -- in different ways, at different times of life.

    "Frequent masturbation during men's 20s and 30s increased their risk of prostate cancer," Dimitropoulou tells WebMD. "But men in their 50s who masturbated frequently had decreased risk."

    http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20090127/masturbation-and-prostate-cancer-risk


  • #59
    clever user name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭clever user name


    Does anybody actually watch porn without fapping? Porn to me is just tool in order to aid the process. Every couple of days turn on a bit of porn, do the deed, turn it off.

    As for holding out for any length of time, don't see the point! Girlfriend is away for 4 months so have do myself. We have a good sex life so i usually don't really need to. is crack after a week with one or the other haha


  • #60
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,130 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    clever user name wrote: »
    Does anybody actually watch porn without fapping? Porn to me is just tool in order to aid the process. Every couple of days turn on a bit of porn, do the deed, turn it off.

    As for holding out for any length of time, don't see the point! Girlfriend is away for 4 months so have do myself. We have a good sex life so i usually don't really need to. is crack after a week with one or the other haha
    No porn is fapping viewing only, makes it happen quicker in my experience. Holding it actually feels quite good, to me anyway


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  • #61
    fergus1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭fergus1001


    you have better sex when you let it build up in my experience

    i did this no fap thing while the other half was away for a month and when she came back i swear she was gushing afterwards

    so you get a better orgasm and you ejaculate more soooo increased fertility maby ?


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