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Maternity Leave - equal rights

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  • #32
    efb
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    Women have maternity leave to give birth and get body to readjust post pregnancy. This is not applicable to men. Statutory parental leave I support and it's in place.


  • #33
    efb
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    Both parents are. It's not the same as maternity leave in the slightest.

    This is why


  • #34
    Bendihorse
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    kylith wrote: »
    I'm all for implementing the maternity/paternity leave suggestion you suggest.

    However your remark about how women won't get equal pay or conditions because of maternity leave makes it sound like you think maternity leave is like a holiday rather than one of the most stressful and hectic times in a person's life.

    Not at all, because it's anticipated that the woman may be away from her position for a period of time due to the birth of a child, where in a mans case, it would not.

    I argue this from two points, equality for women in workplace, but also equality for a man to be allowed the opportunity to bond with his child and the child with him. The latter is probably a more pertinent issue from child welfare POV.


  • #35
    efb
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    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    So?

    Maternity/Paternity Leave is a different concept to Parental Leave. Which I'm sure you already know, but are choosing to pretend not to.

    There should absolutely be a different "recovery" leave for the woman after giving birth, but currently there is absolutely no statutory paid Paternity Leave.

    It is absolutely essential for a child's emotional development that they get to bond with the father as well as the mother. I suspect a lot of people never got that initial bonding with a father-figure.

    You know what I'm thinking?


  • #36
    Dravokivich
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    efb wrote: »
    Yes
    Property said it's not maternity leave- but biologically it can't be!

    I said it's "not the same as," my earlier references were that something "similar" is needed for fathers to avail of.

    Parental Leave isn't similar in the slightest.
    efb wrote: »
    Women have maternity leave to give birth and get body to readjust post pregnancy. This is not applicable to men. Statutory parental leave I support and it's in place.


    What are you on? How can the mother recover if the father isn't there to assist with the child?


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  • #37
    efb
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    I said it's "not the same as," my earlier references were that something "similar" is needed for fathers to avail of.

    Parental Leave isn't similar in the slightest.




    What are you on? How can the mother recover if the father isn't there to assist with the child?

    He can take parental leave.


  • #38
    awec
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    efb wrote: »
    Women have maternity leave to give birth and get body to readjust post pregnancy. This is not applicable to men. Statutory parental leave I support and it's in place.

    But is pretty much unworkable for what I would imagine is the overwhelming majority of parents.

    All women are not the same, I am sure there are plenty that would love to return to work quicker than others and would do so if their husband could "inherit" their maternity benefits.


  • #39
    awec
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    efb wrote: »
    He can take parental leave.

    I think you're being deliberately obtuse now.


  • #40
    Dravokivich
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    efb wrote: »
    He can take parental leave.

    Eh... right so Ted...


  • #41
    Elly_Welly
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    My husband gets 10 days paternal leave from work.

    Which means for 10 days, I've 2 babies to feed!

    When men grow (functioning!) breasts, call me.


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  • #42
    efb
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    awec wrote: »
    I think you're being deliberately obtuse now.

    What how? In what way? We have statutory leave for parents


  • #43
    efb
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    awec wrote: »
    But is pretty much unworkable for what I would imagine is the overwhelming majority of parents.

    All women are not the same, I am sure there are plenty that would love to return to work quicker than others and would do so if their husband could "inherit" their maternity benefits.

    Unworkable how?


  • #44
    awec
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    Elly_Welly wrote: »
    My husband gets 10 days paternal leave from work.

    Which means for 10 days, I've 2 babies to feed!

    When men grow (functioning!) breasts, call me.

    You do know that you are not all women?


  • #45
    awec
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    efb wrote: »
    Unworkable how?

    It's unpaid! Are you actually being serious?


  • #46
    Supercell
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    Hopefully the Family Leave Bill will get passed sometime this year (preferably before September when number 3 is due!) which will mean that men get two weeks paid paternity leave.
    How would you share the leave if you work for different companies, seems like an administrative nightmare.
    Last one I took one month and was going mental in the house. This time my wife has declared that parental leave or not, three weeks is what i'm to take for her sake as much as mine :D
    https://www.loughlinstown.ie/


  • #47
    Lovely Bloke
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    awec wrote: »
    I think you're being deliberately obtuse now.

    that's SOOO unlike efb.

    Parental Leave is unpaid.

    For someone who claims to be all about equal rights, efb is taking a really weird stance on this thread.


  • #48
    Lovely Bloke
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    awec wrote: »
    It's unpaid! Are you actually being serious?

    Stopped getting baited ffs, it's obvious what's going on here - has been for months with this guy.


  • #49
    efb
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    awec wrote: »
    It's unpaid! Are you actually being serious?

    So the argument is for paid parental leave. Only the first 26 weeks are paid of maternity leave

    I would support paid parental leave


  • #50
    anncoates
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    efb wrote: »
    What how? In what way? We have statutory leave for parents

    It's essentially permission to take 16 weeks off work unpaid. In that sense, it's hardly egalitarian, being based on your ability to suck down 4 months without pay.

    Not knocking it, but it's not a perfect substitute for paid paternal leave.

    Maternity leave isn't just for postpartum recovery, unless you think women are laid up for 6 months after giving birth. It's for bonding with the child and looking after it until it reaches a certain age.


  • #51
    awec
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    efb wrote: »
    So the argument is for paid parental leave. Only the first 26 weeks are paid of maternity leave

    I would support paid parental leave

    That's 26 weeks more than are paid with parental leave!

    Quite a substantial difference, wouldn't you think?

    How many parents do you know that can afford to have one parent give up their entire salary for a significant period of time? That's just crazy.


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  • #52
    ash23
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    The government pays 26 weeks (once you've enough PRSI contributions) to a mother for maternity leave. The mother can then take an additional 16 weeks.

    The mother must take a minimum of 2 weeks off before the due date and 4 weeks after the birth.

    I think that the remaining state paid ~18 weeks plus 16 unpaid weeks should be able to be divided between the mother and father as they see fit. For example some companies top up the maternity leave to the mothers full wage but some don't.

    If the fathers company do and the mothers don't, it would make much more economic sense for the family if the mother went back to work and the father stayed at home on full pay for the remainder of the leave.

    Each family is unique and should be able to decide for themselves as to what suits them in terms of taking maternity leave.


  • #53
    efb
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    awec wrote: »
    That's 26 weeks more than are paid with parental leave!

    Quite a substantial difference, wouldn't you think?

    How many parents do you know that can afford to have one parent give up their entire salary for a significant period of time? That's just crazy.


    Pregnancy is 40 Weeks!

    Again I have no issue with additional reasonable length statutory parental leave for the parents (paid)


  • #54
    awec
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    efb wrote: »
    Pregnancy is 40 Weeks!

    Again I have no issue with additional reasonable length statutory parental leave for the parents (paid)

    You do realise that women aren't off work for their 40 weeks of pregnancy? What has the length of pregnancy got to do with this?


  • #55
    Bendihorse
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    So a good scenario would possibly be, two weeks to a month of paid post natal leave for both parents on the birth of the child, allowing the father to support the mother in the initial recovery phase. Then, an additional quantity of weeks which could be split either way depending on the needs of the couple.


  • #56
    DoYouEvenLift
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    Elly_Welly wrote: »
    My husband gets 10 days paternal leave from work.

    Which means for 10 days, I've 2 babies to feed!

    When men grow (functioning!) breasts, call me.


    You have two breasts.


  • #57
    efb
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    awec wrote: »
    You do realise that women aren't off work for their 40 weeks of pregnancy?

    Yes. But women do need time to recover


  • #58
    Carlos Orange
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    Just a little Samba wrote: »
    They definitely don't receive equal pay.
    Women on average get paid 14.4% less then men for the doing the same job in Ireland.

    Can you provide a link to that report?


  • #59
    awec
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    efb wrote: »
    Yes. But women do need time to recover

    Nobody is saying otherwise?


  • #60
    Elly_Welly
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    awec wrote: »
    You do know that you are not all women?

    Gee, I noticed. I was giving my personal perspective, living in a country which does provide paid paternal leave. Personally, I don't find it helpful.


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  • #61
    efb
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    awec wrote: »
    Nobody is saying otherwise?

    How much paid leave should the other parent get? In your opinion?

    And paid for by whom?


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