Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Whatsisname · 23-02-2015 08:38PM

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Bit late....but

Under 21`s v Sunderland

Team: J. Pereira, Love, Thorpe, Blackett, James. El Fitouri, Grimshaw, Harrop. A. Pereira, Weir, Wilson

Subs. Willock, O'Hara, Goss, Fletcher. Kellett

75 mins

1-1
Pereira with the goal

Blackett sent off

Still hasn't been offered a new contract by us which is absolutely shocking. He's out of contract in June and Juventus want him, so reports are saying. Pogba 2.0.

bangkok · 23-02-2015 08:42PM

thelad95 wrote: »

You're right, they could cram literally millions of people onto a guided tour...

Considering, they may have a max of say 40 people per tour, it sounds plausible.

I'm not on about stadium tour, I'm talking about museum tour.... You pay, walk around by yourself

Lord TSC · 23-02-2015 08:45PM

bangkok wrote: »

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javier_Hernández_(footballer,_born_1988)#2012.E2.80.9313_season

Huh, the site I was using has him down for 8 :S

Pro. F · 23-02-2015 08:49PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Here's the thing; I distinctly remember many a poster on here complaining after every game in that season that we were really poor, that RVP was continually bailing us out, and that sooner or later, we'd be sunk; that if anything happened RVP, we were in serious trouble.

People look back now with rose-tinted glasses, but while the football in that year may have been cavalier, "We'll score 5 if you score 4", the general consensus at the time seemed to be that we were lucky that RVP won games on his own while the rest of the team struggled yet other teams around us all bombed horribly.

It wasn't as bad as Moyes, who basically ostracized the most important player from the season before and was a disaster of highest proportions. And it wasn't as bad as LVG since RVP's form meant we were getting wins. But the squad were playing at a really low level overall if we're being honest, and it certainly wasn't a level we should be aspiring to in terms of on pitch overall preformances.

Sure there were issues in the team and there were complaints to be made, but it was all in a completely different context. The issues in the team were holding us back from being a dominant European force, rather than just a significant one. The complaints were born out of a concern that we wouldn't win the league or CL, not that we would drop into mid-table.

RVP did bail us out in a lot of games, but the team weren't completely reliant on him. He went through a poor patch - the whole of February and March when he only scored one goal - and yet we still won 6 out of 7 in the league. Even if RVP had gone out injured for the season, there was still no chance that we'd be dropping out of the top four. Nobody was even suggesting that, because the way the team was playing was far better than that.

And as I said to Doc, the fact that City and Chelsea had poor seasons that year doesn't really take away from the title win. We still finished on 89 points, enough to finish top or joint top in 15 out of the other 21 PL seasons.

MythicalMadMan · 23-02-2015 08:54PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Huh, the site I was using has him down for 8 :S

Javier Hernandez in 2012/2013 10 league goals
11/12 10 league goals
10/11 13 league goals

http://www.espnfc.com/player/146419/javier-hernandez?season=2010

bangkok · 23-02-2015 09:10PM

MythicalMadMan wrote: »

Javier Hernandez in 2012/2013 10 league goals
11/12 10 league goals
10/11 13 league goals

http://www.espnfc.com/player/146419/javier-hernandez?season=2010

We were talking about all competitions 18 goals in total

shadowcomplex · 23-02-2015 09:23PM

Alot of people myself included think back with found memories on our side in 99 but how would they do against the chelseas, city, real bayern and barca of today, individually we have had some of the best players ever to play for the club but were we too gung ho back then to compete against the better teams of today?

kryogen · 23-02-2015 09:33PM

Yes, and no.

Winston Payne · 23-02-2015 10:00PM

It's apparently the day for it, this goal was scored exactly two years ago.

5starpool · 23-02-2015 10:11PM

I've had a bit of a chuckle reading this thread over the last couple of days, but not really in the way you might think. The Liverpool thread was as bad if not worse 10 weeks ago, and you'd swear now Utd were actually out of the running.

There is a long way to go in the league yet and possibly aside from Arsenal (who have the easiest run in and best manager), all the teams in the mix for 3rd and 4th are vulnerable in several ways. There will be twists and turns yet, and even next weekend Liverpool are playing City and things could look very different by Sunday evening.

It'll swing one way, and then the next, and probably in ways and at times that no one expects before the end of the season, but hopefully it'll be exciting anyhow, no matter what happens. It doesn't change the fact that ye have been playing rubbish overall, but as they say in investments 'past performance is not a guarantee as to future returns'.

bangkok · 23-02-2015 10:14PM

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Alot of people myself included think back with found memories on our side in 99 but how would they do against the chelseas, city, real bayern and barca of today, individually we have had some of the best players ever to play for the club but were we too gung ho back then to compete against the better teams of today?

Not a hope, if we had that team now we would be challenging for the league, champions league. One of the best midfields in Europe, beckham Giggs Keane scholes, IMO best keeper of all time, a solid back 4, world class stam along side Ronny Johnson with Neville and Irwin, 4 class strikers and a strike partership of cole and yorke the likes of which might never be seen again.

The_Kew_Tour · 23-02-2015 10:16PM

The 99 team would win the league today. Not that it really matters, but anyway.

bangkok · 23-02-2015 10:20PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The 99 team would win the league today. Not that it really matters, but anyway.

With fergie as manager yes, with van gaal I don't know

MythicalMadMan · 23-02-2015 10:36PM

bangkok wrote: »

With fergie as manager yes, with van gaal I don't know

Ferguson United Career 1500 games win % 59.67 career 58.14

Louis van gall Career 831 games win % 61.13

Now these stats really dont say much as you cant really measure across leagues but LVG has shown himself to be a more than capable manager over the years.

Pro. F · 23-02-2015 10:40PM

keane2097 wrote: »

Not sure WTF this argument that things were better under Ferguson is meant to be proving.

The soccer was still insipid and dull but they were better under the GOAT manager who had been there a quarter century. Not exactly stop the presses stuff.

It doesn't prove anything on its own. People are using the claim that the football wasn't much better under Fergie as evidence for various arguments.

Lord TSC · 23-02-2015 10:53PM

Rumours that Strootman's knee surgery has gone badly wrong and his career may be over

quotes going round from a reputable doctor in Italy....

Whatsisname · 23-02-2015 10:54PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Rumours that Strootman's knee surgery has gone badly wrong and his career may be over quotes going round from a reputable doctor in Italy....

Only get linked with United and your career ends with injury

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 23-02-2015 10:58PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Rumours that Strootman's knee surgery has gone badly wrong and his career may be over quotes going round from a reputable doctor in Italy....

Can't see his career been over but possbly needing the surgery redone would be an option I think

NUTZZ · 23-02-2015 10:59PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Rumours that Strootman's knee surgery has gone badly wrong and his career may be over quotes going round from a reputable doctor in Italy....

Kevin Strootman’s knee surgery did not go perfectly, says ex-Roma doctor

• Former club medic speculates there may be ‘no way out’
• Louis van Gaal: Manchester United’s priority is creative midfielder

A former Roma club doctor believes Kevin Strootman’s latest injury problems have come about because previous surgery on his injured knee “did not go perfectly”, speculating that there may be “no way out” for the Dutch midfielder.

Strootman, a long time target of Manchester United’s manager, Louis van Gaal, picked up the initial injury in March and underwent surgery which ruled him out of Holland’s World Cup campaign.

The 25-year-old returned to action with Roma in November but suffered a relapse in January, was forced under the knife again and with no time frame set for his return, may not play again this season.

Van Gaal reportedly remains interested in signing Strootman, provided he makes a full comeback, but Mario Brozzi, previously part of Roma’s medical staff, fears prolonged complications for the midfielder.

“My impression is that the surgery on Strootman’s ligament did not go perfectly,” Brozzi has told La Partita Perfetta on Gold TV. “I don’t know what happened to his knee, but his Cyclops syndrome results from a problem in the ligament’s position.

“The cartilaginous damage is determined by the extensive deficit. Now, if this is the situation, I see no way out. But it’s not up to me to say whether further surgery is needed.”

Link

Whatsisname · 23-02-2015 11:03PM

Tyler Blackett sent off tonight for a push in the face, a pretty violent one at that.

http://gfycat.com/EuphoricGlumDuiker

NUTZZ · 23-02-2015 11:07PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Tyler Blackett sent off tonight for a push in the face, a pretty violent one at that.

http://gfycat.com/EuphoricGlumDuiker

Disgraceful from Blackett, no matter what was said to him.

Your Airbag · 23-02-2015 11:08PM

I was never keen on Strootman, but UTD aside, I just hope for his sake the rumors are not true.

Rayne Wooney · 23-02-2015 11:11PM

If we win all of our remaining away games we would still have less points than we got away last season

Strange how it has flipped almost perfectly, Moyes and Van Gaal yin and yang we should have let them manage together

homerjay2005 · 23-02-2015 11:25PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

If we win all of our remaining away games we would still have less points than we got away last season

Strange how it has flipped almost perfectly, Moyes and Van Gaal yin and yang we should have let them manage together

16 points away from home, the 8th best in the league.

our home record is only bettered by Chelsea.

homerjay2005 · 23-02-2015 11:40PM

just took a look at last seasons table and we were 15 points behind top place (Chelsea) at this stage last season.

the gap is currently 13 - weve improved by 2 points

and a shocking statistic, if you take total points away from home against the bottom half of the table, United are 14th!

we have dropped 7 points away to the bottom 3, and we've only taken 7 points out of 18 away to the bottom 7.

J. Marston · 23-02-2015 11:50PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

just took a look at last seasons table and we were 15 points behind top place (Chelsea) at this stage last season.

the gap is currently 13 - weve improved by 2 points

At that rate of improvement we should be challenging for the league in....

*counts fingers*

148 years.

mufcboy1999 · 23-02-2015 11:59PM

What's the story with rafael ? Surely LVG rates him ahead of McNair and tony... I do think tony is capable of the odd job at full back, but his inability to use his left leg and overall awkwardness worries me a lot.

The_Kew_Tour · 24-02-2015 12:02AM

Every game now is starting to feel like a cup game.

No game at minute seems easy, not even Sunderland, our next opponents at home.

I would love if we could just magically turn on the lovely football but deep down I'm prepared for a dog fight to the end now.

It's really about results now. 1-0 crappy boring wins will do.

Its 50\50 for me that we can make Europe. The plus side is the likes of Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool still in Europe.

It might just save us in end.

Squeaky Bum time? It is for me.

Lord TSC · 24-02-2015 12:04AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

just took a look at last seasons table and we were 15 points behind top place (Chelsea) at this stage last season.

the gap is currently 13 - weve improved by 2 points
.

Have Chelsea the same points as this time last year? Or have they improved, decreased?

MythicalMadMan · 24-02-2015 12:06AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

just took a look at last seasons table and we were 15 points behind top place (Chelsea) at this stage last season.

the gap is currently 13 - weve improved by 2 points

Does it matter we have to compare 38 v 38 cause games dont come in the same sequence season on season.
38 v 38 isnt even a perfect measurement either cause it wont take in all factors like strenght of the overall league, form, injuries, cup runs, team selections, new mangers etc etc

Lots have said has there been improvement on last season, two I'd pick off the top of my head are ball retention and the teams spirit(confidence) has improved this we can tell without any stats or form tables.

I dont think any club in the world has had to overcome a factor like the ferguson effect the GOAT manager in many peoples eyes. Moyes was a major step back for us last season but LVG has done plenty of good.

Bar nani everyone he has gotten rid from the team has been a good decision and the ones in Falcao debatably the only bad one (in terms of improvement to the squad)

We are a team in major transition in a world where even the small teams are tactically aware well drilled and disciplined for the most part.

Lets at least give it 38 games and see

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