Aboriginals.

Nodin · 23-02-2015 03:19AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You wouldn't be writing your posts in english if they hadn't. ............

And your point there is.....?

kneemos · 23-02-2015 03:20AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

So they developed up to the level of 5000BC or so? Yeah, that would be great against muskets and cannon.

In a land without a lot of trees they did well.

BlaasForRafa · 23-02-2015 03:21AM

Nodin wrote: »

And your point there is.....?

Blindingly obvious. It's not my fault if you can't figure it out.

BlaasForRafa · 23-02-2015 03:23AM

kneemos wrote: »

In a land without a lot of trees they did well.

Those spears they made out of rocks and sand were great so :rolleyes:

Nodin · 23-02-2015 03:25AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Blindingly obvious. It's not my fault if you can't figure it out.

It's virtually impossible to wring sense from nonsense. The lack of an explanation rather convinces me that you've realised you made a bit of a silly statement yourself.

kneemos · 23-02-2015 03:25AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Those spears they made out of rocks and sand were great so :rolleyes:

They had spears as well!

Nodin · 23-02-2015 03:26AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Those spears they made out of rocks and sand were great so :rolleyes:

Did an Australian aboriginal perform some disservice to you at some stage? You seem overly hostile to them.

kneemos · 23-02-2015 03:29AM

Nodin wrote: »

Did an Australian aboriginal perform some disservice to you at some stage? You seem overly hostile to them.

They didn't have bow and arrows for Gods sake.:grumpy:

NYC2013 · 23-02-2015 03:37AM

Their lack of bows and arrows is seriously pissing me off also

BlaasForRafa · 23-02-2015 03:37AM

Nodin wrote: »

It's virtually impossible to wring sense from nonsense. The lack of an explanation rather convinces me that you've realised you made a bit of a silly statement yourself.

The fact that you need something so obvious explained leads me to think that you're either really dumb or being obscure to just act the dick, perhaps you could clear up which one of these you're being.

Hurricane-Dean · 23-02-2015 03:39AM

It's a case of you can't tar them all with the one brush but some of them can be very very intimidating. I am living in Perth the past 3 years and I have seen all sorts of Aboriginals in my time here.

Some too off their face to know where they were or what they were doing, some really friendly and caring who just want to have a chat.

Walking through the city with a friend of mine and a 12/13 year old aboriginal girl walked towards us, pushed through us and called us white cunts. I was on a bus one time with an aboriginal man in his late 60's, told me his story about how tough it is and how he gets a bad rep for the actions of the half cast community who take it on themselves for revenge on crimes that were done to their ancestors and they can claim racism to get away with it.

All in all, a bit of a mixed bag.

BlaasForRafa · 23-02-2015 03:47AM

Nodin wrote: »

Did an Australian aboriginal perform some disservice to you at some stage? You seem overly hostile to them.

You're perception is quite odd but then I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. I have nothing against them except a dislike for their whining about being screwed.

The Diabolical Monocle · 23-02-2015 03:51AM

NYC2013 wrote: »

Their lack of bows and arrows is seriously pissing me off also

t'is their own fault, they should have gotten up off their holes and invented gunpowder like the European Tang dynasty.

BlaasForRafa · 23-02-2015 04:04AM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

t'is their own fault, they should have gotten up off their holes and invented gunpowder like the European Tang dynasty.

Not a great example, the chinese became insular and complacent in the 16th century and later fell victim to european countries that had advanced in the meantime.

KungPao · 23-02-2015 04:22AM

They taught Mick Dundee some neat tricks.

The Diabolical Monocle · 23-02-2015 04:32AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Not a great example, the chinese became insular and complacent in the 16th century and later fell victim to european countries that had advanced in the meantime.

Without the firearm I'm betting Europeans wouldn't have gotten as far as we did. Those empires were dependent on a Chinese invention, and a lot of European progress is built on the discoveries of other races.

Europe is connected to all of Asia, Eurasia and Africa by land and/or relatively short sea distances. So inheriting population and knowledge is actually possible.

Growth is not so easy when you're lost/spread out over a giant isolated continent in relatively small numbers - not favorable conditions to go about inventing stuff.

You're shaped by your circumstances. Aboriginal culture shaped itself to its long distance, difficult hot climate surroundings. Thats all.

It would take a complete fvcktard to blame them for not being up to par when Europeans arrived.

Nodin · 23-02-2015 08:31AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You're perception is quite odd but then I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. I have nothing against them except a dislike for their whining about being screwed.

Dear me, one of them really did do something to you.

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You wouldn't be writing your posts in english if they hadn't..

And are you going to let us in on the significance of this.....?

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 23-02-2015 09:00AM

Me thinks BlaasforRafa went a bit heavy on the moonshine last night.

joe swanson · 23-02-2015 09:08AM

Haven't read full thread so apologies if I'm repeating.

The aboriginal people never had alcohol until the arrival of settlers. Settlers also brought diseases which the natives had no immunity. They cannot handle alcohol so a large proportion have dependency issues. In some parts of Australia in aboriginal land , alcohol is banned in order to help. Many australians/white treat them like we would treat travellers. But they have a culture, a rich culture and have lots to offer. The problems they have are a direct result of colonisation.

hellas · 23-02-2015 09:27AM

There is never an excuse to be a scumbag.

Zamboni · 23-02-2015 10:01AM

The aboriginal people of Australia seem to have been getting on just fine until our lot turned up and fcked them up with our culture, food and disease.
They have had and still have serious issues with alcohol, diabetes and obesity.
They claim "sit down" money as the call it (dole) and this is a fuel to the fire in some cases as the populations near town and cities have become fond of fast food like Red Rooster.
It's also a massively varied population made up of hundreds of different groups, some still very nomadic with little interaction but I've also worked with a number of them who were Harvard educated but have returned to live the authentic lifestyle. I worked in an organisation (15 years ago) in the Northern Territory on programmes which develop their incredible artistic nature and it can be quite a culture shock.
I found it easier by looking at things from their perspective. For example, if a lad has never worn deodorant before is he smelly? Or are you just weird for spraying unknown chemicals on your skin?
All in all, the ones I've met are awesome, intelligent with very good sense humour but I've also seen half naked blind drunk lads in the middle of the street at 7 in the morning when I was on my way to work. But it's not their fault. We imposed our culture on them and expect them to adapt. I doubt we'd like it if a technological advanced race turned up in Europe and did the same to us.
And despite having worked and lived with them I still know absolutely nothing about them.

bb1234567 · 23-02-2015 10:23AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

They had the whole continent to themselves for thousands of years and did nothing with it. They didn't develop any technology, any means of defending themselves properly, didn't develop a state, any political system, any intelligentsia, any education system or architecture. They basically had only themselves to blame when people from more developed came in and took the continent and made Australia the country that it is today.

So they have only themselves to be blame for being massacred and marginalised because they didn't develop their society as quickly as europeans? Okay then

Gbear · 23-02-2015 10:26AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Not a great example, the chinese became insular and complacent in the 16th century and later fell victim to european countries that had advanced in the meantime.

Europe was firmly in third place until the Mongols demolished China and the Middle East but decided to turn back after they'd destroyed pretty much the last army Europe had left. 10's of millions of people were butchered in the far east and bustling metropolises like Baghdad (one of the biggest centers of learning the planet had ever known up to that point) were utterly destroyed.

That stroke of luck (because that's all that it was - there wasn't a hope that Europe could've turned back the Mongols), was what allowed Europeans to become more than a third rate power.

Amica · 23-02-2015 10:34AM

They're not all the same, first and foremost, but from my experience living and travelling in Australia, the Aboriginal community has a serious alcohol problem so it's common to meet drunk, cursing Aboriginals who often harass people nearby. You'll often get asked if they can bum a smoke or some money, or you might get the "this is my land" speech. This might not sound bad but it can be scary because they're often in big groups, can be loud and a bit in your face, and it escalates into angry shouting quickly. When I was travelling and camping in remote areas up north, if I saw a large group of Aboriginals up ahead, I did feel my defences going up because of my experiences of the intimidating behaviour listed above. However, that being said, I NEVER saw any Aboriginals be physically violent - which is more than you can say for drunk Aussies/Europeans etc The Aboriginal people have been treated terribly - e.g. the kidnapping era of the 60's springs to mind. They have a fascinating culture and an incredible amount of knowledge about the area but I think it's under threat, and there is so much resentment and suspicion on both sides. The marginalisation of the community leads them to drink and anti-social behaviours which leads to more prejudice and marginalisation. It's a vicious cycle.

Very suprised at the amount of racism in this thread!

Eugene Norman · 23-02-2015 10:37AM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

No, they're not.

They're the indigenous Australians, had their lands taken off them by the settlers.

Didn't we do that to the travellers or have I been misinformed by my schooling?

Hoop66 · 23-02-2015 10:38AM

Amica wrote: »

Very suprised at the amount of racism in this thread!

Really?

Eugene Norman · 23-02-2015 10:38AM

Gbear wrote: »

Europe was firmly in third place until the Mongols demolished China and the Middle East but decided to turn back after they'd destroyed pretty much the last army Europe had left. 10's of millions of people were butchered in the far east and bustling metropolises like Baghdad (one of the biggest centers of learning the planet had ever known up to that point) were utterly destroyed.

That stroke of luck (because that's all that it was - there wasn't a hope that Europe could've turned back the Mongols), was what allowed Europeans to become more than a third rate power.

Europe was about equal in Roman times. In any case it was the scientific revolution which put Europe ahead.

Also the mongols were overstretched

Eugene Norman · 23-02-2015 10:42AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You're perception is quite odd but then I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. I have nothing against them except a dislike for their whining about being screwed.

Why would you care?

Interesting that Irish people whose history is closer to that of aborigines or native Americans side with the "whites". Older generations would have blamed the Brits and be done with it.

Gbear · 23-02-2015 10:46AM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Europe was about equal in Roman times. In any case it was the scientific revolution which put Europe ahead.

Also the mongols were overstretched

It was equal in Roman times and promptly left behind when the Roman empire collapsed.

It wouldn't have mattered if the mongols were overstretched. The army that was destroying everything in their path was pretty small. It was an expeditionary force rather than the totality of their power.

They didn't need to hold Europe to change history. They just needed to destroy it, like they did to Europe's "rivals".

Muff Richardson · 23-02-2015 11:37AM

I lived and worked in Melbourne for a few years, I was really surprised at how little I saw of them. Before going I knew of the dire social situation they were in but I did expect to see at least some of them working in various unskilled labour jobs around about the city...In 4 years I'd say I saw them no more than 5 times, all of which were on the tram, each time they were flootered on glue bags (they love that sh*t from what I could see, didn't see them boozing). One of those times one of these fellas was particularly hostile and was just trying to pick a fight with anyone on the tram, another bogan like passenger fancied a piece of it and it kicked off at which point I got off the tram in the middle of nowhere.

One Sunday with absolutely nothing to do I decided to check out if they had any museums etc on Aboriginals...I found one indigenous "art" gallery which was about the size of your average kitchen, completely empty fronted by some bored whitey on her phone with zero interest in being there. By the way the price tag for these pictures were sky high considering they looked like they were done by some blind autistic kid in junior infants who had a crayon in his mouth and fell on a page and moved his head about for a bit...as a lover of art i'd call this stuff pure s*ite.

I've travelled a fair bit and seen the impacts of colonialism but as far as any kind of indigenous race getting a raw deal this seems to be by far the worst...never was there any attempt to integrate them, they were shunned and pretty much in a roundabout way ethnically cleansed from their own land. I'd say they have every right to complain about what happened to them.

Aboriginals.

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