Aboriginals.

Deco99 · 23-02-2015 01:00AM

Aboriginals - from the beginning. At least its not indian because someone thought they were on a different continent. Fair play to native americans for taking that one back a little. If only they could get rid of the washington redskins now. There isnt a team in oz using aboriginals in team name? Is aboriginal an offensive term? I know the shortened version is.

hellas · 23-02-2015 01:02AM

Like travellers tbh, there's an entire community innocent and persecuted for the actions of a minority of scum who get drunk and commit crimes. Much like travellers there's also a whole bunch of hippie do gooders who are ready to defend them at every turn. Saying it's part of their culture or some such.

lazybones32 · 23-02-2015 01:12AM

pmy.murphy wrote: »

I know first hand experience of how they act and how they are treated. I wasnt trying to be offensive just telling the truth

In Melbourne some of them lie on the roads so they can steal cars and then drive off until the car runs out of petrol. Some are often knocked down by people and the police dont really care

A buddy of mine was touring Aus. a few years ago and he says he was warned about this behaviour by an Aussie cop. He was told to keep driving if one of them runs out in front of the car because it is most-likely a mugging tactic.

unkel · 23-02-2015 01:19AM

Perhaps not the most sophisticated or intelligent race on the planet but what would you do when a foreign power dumps thousands of convicted criminals in your land who end up taking over the place? They got a very, very bad deal to put it mildly

StewartGriffin · 23-02-2015 01:24AM

Speaking from my own limited experience, the average Aussie clocks in pretty high up on the old Racism Scale.
I always think it's a bit selfish how they are so restrictive of foreigners coming into such a MASSIVE country, seeing as most of it's lying empty anyway.

hellas · 23-02-2015 01:48AM

Chucken wrote: »

I'd act up a bit too tbh.

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Do you also forgive black criminals their wrong doings in the USA because of how their ancestors were treated? Can't blame them for acting up a bit sure.

Cookie_Monster · 23-02-2015 01:52AM

agent graves wrote: »

there is a park in perth where they hide in trees and then jump on random passers to rob them.. happened to my friends when we we over there.. the abos in the citys are crazy.

that's drop bears, not aboriginals.

Cookie_Monster · 23-02-2015 01:58AM

StewartGriffin wrote: »

I always think it's a bit selfish how they are so restrictive of foreigners coming into such a MASSIVE country, seeing as most of it's lying empty anyway.

there's a good reason most of it is empty though, being desert and wasteland and all.

CruelCoin · 23-02-2015 01:58AM

kneemos wrote: »

Always portrayed as poor and drunks . What's the real story of the modern Aboriginal?

Tend to be drunk, poor, uneducated. With a generous helping of sexual abuse and gambling addiction.

It is a pity though. New Zealanders cherish the Maori and fall over themselves to claim some Maori ancestry. In Oz, however, saying someone has aborigine ancestry is akin to calling them a rapey hitler.
Sad really.

BlaasForRafa · 23-02-2015 02:02AM

unkel wrote: »

They got a very, very bad deal to put it mildly

They had the whole continent to themselves for thousands of years and did nothing with it. They didn't develop any technology, any means of defending themselves properly, didn't develop a state, any political system, any intelligentsia, any education system or architecture. They basically had only themselves to blame when people from more developed came in and took the continent and made Australia the country that it is today.

Nodin · 23-02-2015 02:05AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

They had the whole continent to themselves for thousands of years and did nothing with it. They didn't develop any technology, any means of defending themselves properly, didn't develop a state, any political system, any intelligentsia, any education system or architecture. They basically had only themselves to blame when people from more developed came in and took the continent and made Australia the country that it is today.

Who said the 19th century was over eh?

Yeah, they just survived in an unforgiving environment for 50,000 years using what they could make from what they found.

The Diabolical Monocle · 23-02-2015 02:08AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

They had the whole continent to themselves for thousands of years and did nothing with it. They didn't develop any technology, any means of defending themselves properly, didn't develop a state, any political system, any intelligentsia, any education system or architecture. They basically had only themselves to blame when people from more developed came in and took the continent and made Australia the country that it is today.

Yes if our own local history has taught us anything its that if someone more powerful and advanced arrives on your shores and proceeds to fvck everyone over its only your own fault.

Nodin · 23-02-2015 02:12AM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Yes if our own local history has taught us anything its that if someone more powerful and advanced arrives on your shores and proceeds to fvck everyone over its only your own fault.

...if it wasn't for our betters invading us, we wouldn't even have the turf.

Baby Jane · 23-02-2015 02:13AM

How could they have known people would arrive from elsewhere to lick them into shape?

Why should they have done anything other than just survive day to day?

I appreciate today that there are problems within the community itself, amplified by lack of willingness to engage with the community outside of theirs, but blaming people historically for not being ready for plunder of the future is a bit strange in my opinion.

Zack Morris · 23-02-2015 02:15AM

StewartGriffin wrote: »

I always think it's a bit selfish how they are so restrictive of foreigners coming into such a MASSIVE country, seeing as most of it's lying empty anyway.

Yet it's one of the few countries where multiculturalism isn't a complete disaster. Strict immigration policies are the way forward.

Furthermore, the country is mostly desert. Do you honestly believe people want to live in a fúcking desert with no infrastructure?

kneemos · 23-02-2015 02:16AM

How come Japan or China never plundered the place?

The Diabolical Monocle · 23-02-2015 02:19AM

oy vey what kind of schmuck would want to live in some desert. yeesh.

Nodin · 23-02-2015 02:19AM

kneemos wrote: »

How come Japan or China never plundered the place?

Chinese were generally internally focussed and the Japanese only ever invaded Korea before the modern era.

-=al=- · 23-02-2015 02:32AM

The Japanese attacked Darwin and totally destroyed the place. Also, there is a secret base in near Alice Springs that the US use for all sorts of covert operations. They monitor a lot of dodgy countries and even control drones. Every week a US plane flies in to give them American food and supplies.

C.I.A agents work in the "secret" base called Pine gap. They get 2 year contracts to come from the US and work in the base while living there and in Alice Springs.

There's a lot of fascinating history about aboriginals that won't fit into a boards AH post. But if you really want to find out a lot about them, give it a google. They got shafted, basically. Australia even has a "Sorry Day" every year which is just bizarre.

I lived and worked in Alice Springs for a while, even worked with an aboriginal and they're quite nice people. Totally different to the likes of us!

Modern society doesn't bode well with them though. They love sugary drinks and booze and a lot of them die young because their bodies don't deal with sugar or alcohol very well. Diabetes and alcoholism is a big problem for them as well as getting an education.

They can't get served in the off licence in Alice Springs unless they have a certain I.D so they wait outside like underage teenagers asking people to go in for them. Trading them a bottle of wine for some art is quite common but just adds to the problem.

Every off licence in Alice Springs has police officers outside them and ask you what you're going into the off licence for and going to do with the booze.

It's quite sad but modern society and them don't mix.. Some do get out and get educated but most don't.

They get lots of benifits and are allowed to get very cheap education but a lot of them don't really do it

23-02-2015 02:42AM

CruelCoin wrote: »

Tend to be drunk, poor, uneducated. With a generous helping of sexual abuse and gambling addiction.

It is a pity though. New Zealanders cherish the Maori and fall over themselves to claim some Maori ancestry. In Oz, however,saying someone has aborigine ancestry is akin to calling them a rapey hitler.
Sad really.

That's awful... but I laughed

jank · 23-02-2015 03:01AM

Nodin wrote: »

Who said the 19th century was over eh?

Yeah, they just survived in an unforgiving environment for 50,000 years using what they could make from what they found.

Although the post may appear strong, it is essentially correct. The aboriginals never really moved beyond what Europeans would call a nomadic hunter gatherer style existence. Even their neighbors in the pacific Islands like the Polynesians were more advanced technologically.

This is why now, as a people they have a hard time adjusting to modern Australia. Do they embrace it or resist it? Not something that is going to fixed in a few years, many think it will take a few hundred years.

DrGreenthumb · 23-02-2015 03:01AM

Australians and their soaps

BlaasForRafa · 23-02-2015 03:12AM

Nodin wrote: »

Yeah, they just survived in an unforgiving environment for 50,000 years using what they could make from what they found.

Unforgiving environment lol, yeah right. They didn't even develop bows and arrows.

kneemos · 23-02-2015 03:15AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Unforgiving environment lol, yeah right. They didn't even develop bows and arrows.

Boomarang and slingshot.

Nodin · 23-02-2015 03:15AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Unforgiving environment lol, yeah right. They didn't even develop bows and arrows.

Yeah, there were so incompetent they all died.

BlaasForRafa · 23-02-2015 03:16AM

Nodin wrote: »

...if it wasn't for our betters invading us, we wouldn't even have the turf.

You wouldn't be writing your posts in english if they hadn't. Perhaps you should stick to posting in gaelic in future. That's if you're capable of course.

Nodin · 23-02-2015 03:17AM

kneemos wrote: »

Boomarang and slingshot.

And atl-atl, a form of which some still use for fishing at low tide (can't remember what part of A.)

BlaasForRafa · 23-02-2015 03:17AM

kneemos wrote: »

Boomarang and slingshot.

So they developed up to the level of 5000BC or so? Yeah, that would be great against muskets and cannon.

kneemos · 23-02-2015 03:18AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

You wouldn't be writing your posts in english if they hadn't. Perhaps you should stick to posting in gaelic in future. That's if you're capable of course.

We'd still be English speakers by now I'd imagine.

Nodin · 23-02-2015 03:18AM

jank wrote: »

Although the post may appear strong, it is essentially correct. The aboriginals never really moved beyond what Europeans would call a nomadic hunter gatherer style existence. Even their neighbors in the pacific Islands like the Polynesians were more advanced technologically.

This is why now, as a people they have a hard time adjusting to modern Australia. Do they embrace it or resist it? Not something that is going to fixed in a few years, many think it will take a few hundred years.

It's correct in stating the lack of technology, but the "blame" part is a nonsense.

Aboriginals.

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