Thought's on E-cigarettes?

Irish Guitarist · 19-02-2015 05:44PM

I want to take up smoking but I don't just want to jump straight into it. I'm thinking of starting off by smoking e-cigarettes before smoking tobacco ones.

lazybones32 · 19-02-2015 05:55PM

DavidSullivan wrote: »

Do you use an E-cig? Did it work for you?

Tried it and found them useless. Tried different varieties and different strengths, to no avail.

I reckon I'd have to put diesel into them to get a decent 'bang' because the crap I was inhaling was like air. No relief!

DarkyHughes · 19-02-2015 06:03PM

Heroin-Cigars are nicer.

ScumLord · 19-02-2015 06:09PM

vienne86 wrote: »

As a non-smoker, they annoy the hell out of me, like regular cigarettes.

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I hate the way people go on that they're Safe like its makes vaporizing durgs into their system is in some way better than smoking. Some people have enough cop on to know they are safer but in no way safe but they are in the minority.

I hate when people use them around me in spaces where they wouldn't be allowed smoke. Just Fcuk off...

I automatically judge the fcuk out of people with those nasty sticks hanging around their necks, and not in a good way.

Like really, who really thinks vaporised pure nicotine mixed with completely unregulated random other ingredients is a good idea? seriously, WTF is wrong with people.

Nobody would expect anything less from the self righteous non smokers.

I don't think anybody has said e cigarettes are safe, the fact they're unregulated was brought up from the very beginning of the thread and peoples reaction was that they are more than likely safer or at least feel like they have less negative effects than smoking.

I'm glad that e cigarettes still annoy some people, not being able to annoy the self righteous and over selous non smokers was a real drawback for me moving to e cigarettes. Now that I know non smokers hate them as much as cigarettes I might be more inclined to use them in enclosed public spaces.

Vlad Dog Putin · 19-02-2015 06:10PM

grow hair on ball, smoke makhorka, make you man.
e-cigarette for conchita wurst

Calibos · 19-02-2015 06:11PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I hate the way people go on that they're Safe like its makes vaporizing durgs into their system is in some way better than smoking. Some people have enough cop on to know they are safer but in no way safe but they are in the minority.

I hate when people use them around me in spaces where they wouldn't be allowed smoke. Just Fcuk off...

I automatically judge the fcuk out of people with those nasty sticks hanging around their necks, and not in a good way.

Like really, who really thinks vaporised pure nicotine mixed with completely unregulated random other ingredients is a good idea? seriously, WTF is wrong with people.

Vaping is to nicotine as a nice coffee is to caffeine.
Cigarettes are to nicotine as dirty needles are to caffeine.

Btw, I'm not a coffee drinker and I hate when pretentious fcuks go on about the premium Java they just bought. I wouldnt be voting to close coffee shops or taxing coffee to the hilt though, but I have a feeling you would to vaping if you had the chance....because you think it looks silly.

Christ :rolleyes:

Amazingfun · 19-02-2015 06:15PM

I love vaping

Been doing it for over two years now and enjoy it very much.

DavidSullivan · 19-02-2015 06:16PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I hate the way people go on that they're Safe like its makes vaporizing durgs into their system is in some way better than smoking. Some people have enough cop on to know they are safer but in no way safe but they are in the minority.

I hate when people use them around me in spaces where they wouldn't be allowed smoke. Just Fcuk off...

I automatically judge the fcuk out of people with those nasty sticks hanging around their necks, and not in a good way.

Like really, who really thinks vaporised pure nicotine mixed with completely unregulated random other ingredients is a good idea? seriously, WTF is wrong with people.

We've got an angry elf here...

inforfun · 19-02-2015 06:19PM

Smoked my last cigarette over 2 months ago when i started using the e-cig.
Decades of a pack a day and i have no urge to go for a real cigarette which i always had any time i did an half arsed attempt to quit smoking.

I look like a tool with it but it is much healthier.
Mostly for my wallet and curtains.

Dracula! · 19-02-2015 10:25PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I hate the way people go on that they're Safe like its makes vaporizing durgs into their system is in some way better than smoking. Some people have enough cop on to know they are safer but in no way safe but they are in the minority.

I hate when people use them around me in spaces where they wouldn't be allowed smoke. Just Fcuk off...

I automatically judge the fcuk out of people with those nasty sticks hanging around their necks, and not in a good way.

Like really, who really thinks vaporised pure nicotine mixed with completely unregulated random other ingredients is a good idea? seriously, WTF is wrong with people.

You sound miserable

Akrasia · 20-02-2015 09:43AM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I want to take up smoking but I don't just want to jump straight into it. I'm thinking of starting off by smoking e-cigarettes before smoking tobacco ones.

Studies have shown that practically nobody uses e cigarettes who aren't already smokers.

E cigarettes aren't cool (no matter what the 'vapers' want you to believe.

The Tobacco industry are trying their hardest to make it cool and to market it to children, and this is one reason why we need regulations, but at the end of the day, it's like methadone for smokers. Less harmful but nobody really wants to be on it.

Penny Tration · 20-02-2015 09:50AM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I hate the way people go on that they're Safe like its makes vaporizing durgs into their system is in some way better than smoking.

i take it you don't drink alcohol, or tea, coffee, red bull, etc? They're drugs too!

hadoken13 · 20-02-2015 09:53AM

I don't mind people smoking (how would you call using them?) them but not in pubs. I'm off the smokes about 10 years now and it's great that the pubs are cigarette-free, but why can't people be made smoke those e-cigarettes out with the smokers? It's the act of smoking not the fact that they are un-regulated. I have to laugh at my mates who use them in the pub, then when/if they run out they bum a cigarette off another mate straight away.

El_Dangeroso · 20-02-2015 10:34AM

hadoken13 wrote: »

I don't mind people smoking (how would you call using them?) them but not in pubs. I'm off the smokes about 10 years now and it's great that the pubs are cigarette-free, but why can't people be made smoke those e-cigarettes out with the smokers?

Because the by product of vapour does absolutely zero harm to you vs. toxic second hand smoke.

If they ban vaping in pubs then the also need to ban obnoxious perfume and deodorant. Both have the same impact on health as second hand vaping.

foggy_lad · 20-02-2015 11:05AM

I think that the appeareance of so many of these new vaping shops in the same premises as the recently outlawed and closed head shops is no coincidence!

Vaping needs to be fully regulated and all advertising done the same as all tobacco advertising and sales!

They are being intentially targeted at young people and this practice must stop! They should be treated the same as cigarettes and banned in all places that smoking is banned!

Many people are not aware that it is banned on all public transport but that is no surprise because this is not advertised by either public or private transport companies.

Finally well done and keep at it to anyone who has managed to stop smoking with the help of these yokes but remember that replacing one evil with another is no help! Ye now need to decrease the amount of nicotine until you see it for what it is, a waste of your time money and effort!

Penny Tration · 20-02-2015 11:10AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

I think that the appeareance of so many of these new vaping shops in the same premises as the recently outlawed and closed head shops is no coincidence!

Vaping needs to be fully regulated and all advertising done the same as all tobacco advertising and sales!

They are being intentially targeted at young people and this practice must stop! They should be treated the same as cigarettes and banned in all places that smoking is banned!

Many people are not aware that it is banned on all public transport but that is no surprise because this is not advertised by either public or private transport companies.

Finally well done and keep at it to anyone who has managed to stop smoking with the help of these yokes but remember that replacing one evil with another is no help! Ye now need to decrease the amount of nicotine until you see it for what it is, a waste of your time money and effort!

Find me an Irish vaping company who deliberately targets these at children, and I'll eat my knickers.

They should NOT be treated the same as cigarettes, because they are NOT the same as cigarettes.

Many, many people who use ecigs reduce their nicotine consumption. Saying they're a waste of money is absolutely laughable. I've gone from spending 140 euro per week on cigarettes, to spending about 40 euro per month, tops, on vaping. Far from a waste of money, it's saving me 520 euro per month.

ArmaniJeanss · 20-02-2015 11:22AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

Many people are not aware that it is banned on all public transport but that is no surprise because this is not advertised by either public or private transport companies.

I don't think they are actually banned on the Luas, nothing in their byelaws anyway.
http://www.luas.ie/luas-byelaws.html

Calina · 20-02-2015 11:38AM

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

They should NOT be treated the same as cigarettes, because they are NOT the same as cigarettes.

You use them for exactly the same purpose, however.

There's a move on the part of a lot of companies to normalise vaping. They are not doing this for your health or good habit building. They are doing it for the sake of their bottom line. A lot of those companies are tobacco companies. They don't care what you buy off them provided you give them your money.

In my view, given that vaping to all intents and purposes is a smoking substitute, it should be regulated in much the way as smoking. This means avoiding making it socially acceptable and avoiding normalising it as a behaviour.

Sunny Dayz · 20-02-2015 11:50AM

I think e-cigs should be treated the same way as normal cigs. That includes where they are used, where they are sold and how they are sold. They are openly displayed beside cash registers and pop up shops. There is a stall in my local shopping centre and the girl stands there with the packs in her hand trying to sell them to passers by (adults), I don't smoke and I don't appreciate being offered them either.

Well done to those who have quit smoking as a result of them though! But e-cigs should be in the same category of real cigs, not in a category with quit smoking patches and gums.

Gongoozler · 20-02-2015 11:53AM

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

I think e-cigs should be treated the same way as normal cigs. That includes where they are used, where they are sold and how they are sold. They are openly displayed beside cash registers and pop up shops. There is a stall in my local shopping centre and the girl stands there with the packs in her hand trying to sell them to passers by (adults), I don't smoke and I don't appreciate being offered them either.

Well done to those who have quit smoking as a result of them though! But e-cigs should be in the same category of real cigs, not in a category with quit smoking patches and gums.

Why?

Sunny Dayz · 20-02-2015 12:10PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

Why?

Cos (now I do stand to be corrected as I have never been a smoker) e-cigs seem to be just a substitute for real cigs while the likes of nicorette patches and gum work to reduce your cravings and wean you off smokes and nicotine altogether.

inforfun · 20-02-2015 12:14PM

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

Cos (now I do stand to be corrected as I have never been a smoker) e-cigs seem to be just a substitute for real cigs while the likes of nicorette patches and gum work to reduce your cravings and wean you off smokes and nicotine altogether.

Tried patches myself. Didnt work for me.

E-Cigs should help to reduce too, you are supposed to lower the nicotine bit by bit.
And the big bonus of the e-cig.. it gives your hands something to do. For me, not having a cigarette in my hands, is the 2nd hardest part of quitting.

marnie d · 20-02-2015 12:17PM

I tried them for about 3 months, although I didn't completely quit smoking, I cut down to only a few cigs a day. I was saving money, and my lungs felt clearer, my nasty cough had more or less cleared up. Then, the lad I was going with finished with me, and things were going really badly at work, and I started smoking full time again, and my e-cig was packed away into the back of the drawer.

I do plan on giving it a proper go again, and I believe it is the only way I'll be able to quit smoking, as I've had no joy with other methods.

They are not the same as cigarettes, they are a lot cleaner and healthier. Those who hate the sight of them and just want them banned, probably have a cheerless life.

Wabbit Ears · 20-02-2015 12:28PM

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

i take it you don't drink alcohol, or tea, coffee, red bull, etc? They're drugs too!

A realistic comparison would be, rather than drink Coffee or tea I would intravenously inject myself with caffeine mixed with some random unregulated chemicals and then walk around with my ingection kit hanging around my neck telling everybody that its perfectly safe.

Rather than Have a pint I'd just hook a baggie of grade A Ethanol into my arm and claim that its helping me with my Drink addiction.

El_Dangeroso · 20-02-2015 12:49PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

A realistic comparison would be, rather than drink Coffee or tea I would intravenously inject myself with caffeine mixed with some random unregulated chemicals and then walk around with my ingection kit hanging around my neck telling everybody that its perfectly safe.

Rather than Have a pint I'd just hook a baggie of grade A Ethanol into my arm and claim that its helping me with my Drink addiction.

I think that's some kind of record for the tallest strawman ever built, hat off 10/10.

Penny Tration · 20-02-2015 12:51PM

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

A realistic comparison would be, rather than drink Coffee or tea I would intravenously inject myself with caffeine mixed with some random unregulated chemicals and then walk around with my ingection kit hanging around my neck telling everybody that its perfectly safe.

Rather than Have a pint I'd just hook a baggie of grade A Ethanol into my arm and claim that its helping me with my Drink addiction.

:pac: Thanks for the laugh! Never realised that I wasn't inhaling nicotine, I've obviously been injecting it this whole time!

AudreyHepburn · 20-02-2015 01:40PM

I don't see the point to be honest.

Surely it's just replacing one addiction with another.

jobbridge4life · 20-02-2015 01:55PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I don't see the point to be honest.

Surely it's just replacing one addiction with another.

It isn't replacing any addiction. The addiction is to nicotine, the delivery method is being changed. Those who have replaced cigarette consumption with use of electronic cigarettes are nearly universal in reporting benefits, from improved breathing, lung capacity, energy levels, exercise capacity, to more trivial things like sense of smell, taste and not reeking of cigarettes.

Now we can either embrace this method of harm reduction and allow people to switch to a less noxious and frankly obnoxious form of nicotine consumption or we can act like children and say 'no smoking bad!' and deny ourselves the opportunity just so we can feel smug and self-righteous.

mikom · 20-02-2015 01:56PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I don't see the point to be honest.

Surely it's just replacing one addiction with another.

Do you know the difference between shooting up with a dirty needle and a clean one?

Calina · 20-02-2015 01:58PM

mikom wrote: »

Do you know the difference between shooting up with a dirty needle and a clean one?

Even better not to shoot up in the first place, don't you agree?

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