Thought's on E-cigarettes?

DavidSullivan

I'm all for E-cigs and personally, I think the government & pharmacies are getting upset on how well they are actually selling and aiding smokers wanting to quit.

I seen an article back in January from the Mirror.co.uk and the Headline read : ''E-cigarette health scare erupts as officials highlight "serious" cancer risk of vaping''.

Following that I read on NEJM's Twitter : ''Chemical analysis of e-cigs' vapor show high levels of formaldehyde. Authors project higher cancer risk than smoking''.

I uunderstand that there hasn't been much research on E-Cigs BUT they have be better than Cigarette's.

Do you use an E-cig? Did it work for you?

Meathlass

DavidSullivan wrote: »

I uunderstand that there hasn't been much research on E-Cigs BUT they have be better than Cigarette's.

But we don't know what's in the liquids as they're not regulated at all.

If they get people to quit cigarettes that's fantastic but if people are just replacing smoking with vaping an unregulated substance then that's not a good situation.

Penny Tration

Meathlass wrote: »

But we don't know what's in the liquids as they're not regulated at all.

If they get people to quit cigarettes that's fantastic but if people are just replacing smoking with vaping an unregulated substance then that's not a good situation.

Ingredients list is generally - nicotine, food flavourings, propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin.

shakencat

I think its all a trend.

i really uncool trend.

Meathlass

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

Ingredients list is generally - nicotine, food flavourings, propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin.

Sounds lovely :pac:

vienne86

As a non-smoker, they annoy the hell out of me, like regular cigarettes.

Penny Tration

Meathlass wrote: »

Sounds lovely :pac:

Better than cigarettes, so I'll stick with it.

Nobody claims vaping is 100% safe. I doubt it is, because the only thing you should inhale into your lungs is air.

But it's better than smoking, so I'm happy to do it. I know what goes into my liquids and I know how it'll affect my body.

the evasion_kid

Using one the last 6 months,theres not a doubt in my mind there a far safer option

Zippie84

Thought's on ecigs?

Are we only allowed one thought each, and who do they belong to? :P

DavidSullivan

Zippie84 wrote: »

'Thought's' on ecigs?

Are we only allowed one thought each, and who do they belong to? :P

Yeah one thought each! haha

Akrasia

I don't think analysing the ingredients is enough to conclude that there aren't any toxic chemicals released by e-cigarettes. There are also chemicals in the 'wick' which contains the nicottine oil before it is vaporised in the atomiser

There are many different types of delivery mechanism for e-cigarettes. I would welcome more research into which methods are safe, and which may pose health risks.

There absolutely does need to be regulation to protect consumers and children (safety caps to prevent children from direct exposure to the nicotine oil which is very toxic if swallowed)

The nicotine oils should be regulated in the same way food additives are regulated. Only additives that have been tested and approved for human consumption (inhalation as a vapour) should be allowed and I would also support restrictions on the sale of flavoured nicotine because this seems to me to be a barely disguised way of trying to attract young new smokers and the additives for these flavours are introducing extra risks in terms of toxicology.

Other than that, I support e-cigarettes.

L1m1tless

I used one for about 6 months instead of smoking. During that time my energy levels increased, I smelled much better, I could exercise for longer and my mouth was fresher when I woke up in the morning plus I had extra money every week.

Akrasia

CowboyDreams wrote: »

I used one for about 6 months instead of smoking. During that time my energy levels increased, I smelled much better, I could exercise for longer and my mouth was fresher when I woke up in the morning plus I had extra money every week.

Did you go back to cigarettes or have you now quit smoking entirely?

Birneybau

shakencat wrote: »

I think its all a trend.

i really uncool trend.

Well, count me uncool.

Been on it 2 years, saved a sh!tload of money, feel healthier and don't stink of smoke.

L1m1tless

I went back to smoking unfortunately but that was due to my own lack of willpower. The first few cigarettes I smoked tasted horrible!

jobbridge4life

vienne86 wrote: »

As a non-smoker, they annoy the hell out of me, like regular cigarettes.

Why?

El_Dangeroso

DavidSullivan wrote: »

I'm all for E-cigs and personally, I think the government & pharmacies are getting upset on how well they are actually selling and aiding smokers wanting to quit.

I seen an article back in January from the Mirror.co.uk and the Headline read : ''E-cigarette health scare erupts as officials highlight "serious" cancer risk of vaping''.

Following that I read on NEJM's Twitter : ''Chemical analysis of e-cigs' vapor show high levels of formaldehyde. Authors project higher cancer risk than smoking''.

I uunderstand that there hasn't been much research on E-Cigs BUT they have be better than Cigarette's.

Do you use an E-cig? Did it work for you?

That formaldehyde study was throroughly debunked. Basically to produce any meaningful amount of formaldehyde they had to run the atomiser on a high voltage with very little liquid. This would taste disgusting and any user of an ecig will tell you they would stop straight away if they got a 'burnt' taste or dry hit that this would produce.

fergal.b

Two years off the smokes now with my electronic nicotine delivery system no matter what chemicals are in it it's nothing compared fag's and if there is some long term side effects at least I will be healthy when I get them




.

drugstore cowboy

I use one and am off the fags for a few months now and my chest is much clearer and I can jog faster and longer.

In time I hope to quit the e-cig but I'm doing good and my wallet is far better off

drugstore cowboy

CowboyDreams wrote: »

I went back to smoking unfortunately but that was due to my own lack of willpower. The first few cigarettes I smoked tasted horrible!

Any time I've gone back on the cigs after quitting them the first few are disgusting! I think it's pretty common.

The self hatred that seeps into your mind is awful too.

Gongoozler

Like artificial sweetners , lots like to think there has to be something wrong with them, but nothing has proven that. It's much about being afraid of the unknown, and scaremongering by the media and others.

I do agree that more research is needed, and regulation is probably necessary, but as for this assumption that they are the devil, that's just silly. Having said that, my boyfriend probably handles his smokey dealy more than me

anncoates

There's something inherently ridiculous looking about them.

Always makes me think of this:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/773px-Anzat03.jpg

kneemos

anncoates wrote: »

There's something inherently ridiculous looking about them.

Always makes me think of this:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/773px-Anzat03.jpg

The way people hold them when smoking gives them a furtive look.
Kinda like they're trying to do it on the sly.

AnonoBoy

DavidSullivan wrote: »

I'm all for E-cigs and personally, I think the government & pharmacies are getting upset on how well they are actually selling and aiding smokers wanting to quit.

Why would the government be annoyed that people are giving up smoking?

jobbridge4life

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Why would the government be annoyed that people are giving up smoking?

Loss of revenue.

DavidSullivan

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Why would the government be annoyed that people are giving up smoking?

Maybe because they won't be getting there rate of tax on a box of cigarettes compared to people who are choosing to vape E-cigarettes?

ScumLord

I have an e cigarette but it doesn't hit the spot like a cigarette. I'm currently using it to reduce the amount of normal rollies I smoke rather than completely cut them out. It's very easy to slip on e cigarettes. It runs out on you once and someone offers you a real fag, next thing you know you're in the shop buying a pack of tobacco. I shouldn't have sold my willpower to that traveling chinese monk.

AnonoBoy

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Loss of revenue.

DavidSullivan wrote: »

Maybe because they won't be getting there rate of tax on a box of cigarettes compared to people who are choosing to vape E-cigarettes?

Perhaps.

Although when they regulate e-cigarettes they'll just throw tax on that.

Do the health costs down the line from smokers outweigh the loss in the short term I wonder? Of course our governments aren't known for their long term vision so that point is probably moot.

ArmaniJeanss

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Perhaps.

Although when they regulate e-cigarettes they'll just throw tax on that.

Its not particularly straightforward to do, presumably they'l try do it through excise duty which is how they get such big taxes on alcohol and cigarettes.

Effectively there are 3 separate components (battery, tank/clearomizer and liquid).
Really tough to see how you put excise duties on just this particular type of rechargable battery without putting it on all such batteries -so this is out imo.
The clearomizer/tank is difficult as well, its only reinforced plastic with a metal bit containing no substances which can reasonably have excise placed on them.

So it'll come down to the liquid but its not particularly straightforward either. Go for a ridiculously high excise duty even close to that on cigarettes and people will discover how trivially easy it is to make your own. Stopping importing from abroad will need extra legislation. And the liquid is so small that a traveller could carry a decades personal supply in a small carry on bag, unlike bulky cigarettes.

I think they'll struggle to get money here.

fortwilliam

I smoked 20+ Marlboro per day for 25 years,
Two years ago a pal of mine showed me this E-Cig he was using, I had a blast of it (we were in an airport) I thought it wasn't bad.
A week later I went to one of the shops and spent €100 on a proper E-Cig system (Wicked Brand I think)
I used it for about 2 months until one night I was going out so started to fill my 1st and backup tank with fluid, make sure my batteries were fully charged..... I just stopped and thought to myself, this is stupid... I went out and left them at home.

That night was difficult, very difficult, the cravings decreased as time went on although sometimes you get a really strong craving out of nowhere, but it only ever lasts 30 seconds.

That was two years ago and I haven't touched one since.
I don't stink of stale fags, My breath is clean.
I don't cough up a lung in the morning.
It saves me a fortune.

Sometimes if I am talking to a heavy smoker, I shudder to think that I smelled like that.

E-Cigs are the reason for the single most important health change in my life.

Viva E-Cigs!

Wabbit Ears

I hate the way people go on that they're Safe like its makes vaporizing durgs into their system is in some way better than smoking. Some people have enough cop on to know they are safer but in no way safe but they are in the minority.

I hate when people use them around me in spaces where they wouldn't be allowed smoke. Just Fcuk off...

I automatically judge the fcuk out of people with those nasty sticks hanging around their necks, and not in a good way.

Like really, who really thinks vaporised pure nicotine mixed with completely unregulated random other ingredients is a good idea? seriously, WTF is wrong with people.

Irish Guitarist

I want to take up smoking but I don't just want to jump straight into it. I'm thinking of starting off by smoking e-cigarettes before smoking tobacco ones.

lazybones32

DavidSullivan wrote: »

Do you use an E-cig? Did it work for you?

Tried it and found them useless. Tried different varieties and different strengths, to no avail.

I reckon I'd have to put diesel into them to get a decent 'bang' because the crap I was inhaling was like air. No relief!

DarkyHughes

Heroin-Cigars are nicer.

ScumLord

vienne86 wrote: »

As a non-smoker, they annoy the hell out of me, like regular cigarettes.

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I hate the way people go on that they're Safe like its makes vaporizing durgs into their system is in some way better than smoking. Some people have enough cop on to know they are safer but in no way safe but they are in the minority.

I hate when people use them around me in spaces where they wouldn't be allowed smoke. Just Fcuk off...

I automatically judge the fcuk out of people with those nasty sticks hanging around their necks, and not in a good way.

Like really, who really thinks vaporised pure nicotine mixed with completely unregulated random other ingredients is a good idea? seriously, WTF is wrong with people.

Nobody would expect anything less from the self righteous non smokers.

I don't think anybody has said e cigarettes are safe, the fact they're unregulated was brought up from the very beginning of the thread and peoples reaction was that they are more than likely safer or at least feel like they have less negative effects than smoking.

I'm glad that e cigarettes still annoy some people, not being able to annoy the self righteous and over selous non smokers was a real drawback for me moving to e cigarettes. Now that I know non smokers hate them as much as cigarettes I might be more inclined to use them in enclosed public spaces.

Vlad Dog Putin

grow hair on ball, smoke makhorka, make you man.
e-cigarette for conchita wurst

Calibos

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I hate the way people go on that they're Safe like its makes vaporizing durgs into their system is in some way better than smoking. Some people have enough cop on to know they are safer but in no way safe but they are in the minority.

I hate when people use them around me in spaces where they wouldn't be allowed smoke. Just Fcuk off...

I automatically judge the fcuk out of people with those nasty sticks hanging around their necks, and not in a good way.

Like really, who really thinks vaporised pure nicotine mixed with completely unregulated random other ingredients is a good idea? seriously, WTF is wrong with people.

Vaping is to nicotine as a nice coffee is to caffeine.
Cigarettes are to nicotine as dirty needles are to caffeine.

Btw, I'm not a coffee drinker and I hate when pretentious fcuks go on about the premium Java they just bought. I wouldnt be voting to close coffee shops or taxing coffee to the hilt though, but I have a feeling you would to vaping if you had the chance....because you think it looks silly.

Christ :rolleyes:

Amazingfun

I love vaping Been doing it for over two years now and enjoy it very much.

DavidSullivan

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I hate the way people go on that they're Safe like its makes vaporizing durgs into their system is in some way better than smoking. Some people have enough cop on to know they are safer but in no way safe but they are in the minority.

I hate when people use them around me in spaces where they wouldn't be allowed smoke. Just Fcuk off...

I automatically judge the fcuk out of people with those nasty sticks hanging around their necks, and not in a good way.

Like really, who really thinks vaporised pure nicotine mixed with completely unregulated random other ingredients is a good idea? seriously, WTF is wrong with people.

We've got an angry elf here...

inforfun

Smoked my last cigarette over 2 months ago when i started using the e-cig.
Decades of a pack a day and i have no urge to go for a real cigarette which i always had any time i did an half arsed attempt to quit smoking.

I look like a tool with it but it is much healthier.
Mostly for my wallet and curtains.

Dracula!

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I hate the way people go on that they're Safe like its makes vaporizing durgs into their system is in some way better than smoking. Some people have enough cop on to know they are safer but in no way safe but they are in the minority.

I hate when people use them around me in spaces where they wouldn't be allowed smoke. Just Fcuk off...

I automatically judge the fcuk out of people with those nasty sticks hanging around their necks, and not in a good way.

Like really, who really thinks vaporised pure nicotine mixed with completely unregulated random other ingredients is a good idea? seriously, WTF is wrong with people.

You sound miserable

Akrasia

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I want to take up smoking but I don't just want to jump straight into it. I'm thinking of starting off by smoking e-cigarettes before smoking tobacco ones.

Studies have shown that practically nobody uses e cigarettes who aren't already smokers.

E cigarettes aren't cool (no matter what the 'vapers' want you to believe.

The Tobacco industry are trying their hardest to make it cool and to market it to children, and this is one reason why we need regulations, but at the end of the day, it's like methadone for smokers. Less harmful but nobody really wants to be on it.

Penny Tration

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

I hate the way people go on that they're Safe like its makes vaporizing durgs into their system is in some way better than smoking.

i take it you don't drink alcohol, or tea, coffee, red bull, etc? They're drugs too!

hadoken13

I don't mind people smoking (how would you call using them?) them but not in pubs. I'm off the smokes about 10 years now and it's great that the pubs are cigarette-free, but why can't people be made smoke those e-cigarettes out with the smokers? It's the act of smoking not the fact that they are un-regulated. I have to laugh at my mates who use them in the pub, then when/if they run out they bum a cigarette off another mate straight away.

El_Dangeroso

hadoken13 wrote: »

I don't mind people smoking (how would you call using them?) them but not in pubs. I'm off the smokes about 10 years now and it's great that the pubs are cigarette-free, but why can't people be made smoke those e-cigarettes out with the smokers?

Because the by product of vapour does absolutely zero harm to you vs. toxic second hand smoke.

If they ban vaping in pubs then the also need to ban obnoxious perfume and deodorant. Both have the same impact on health as second hand vaping.

foggy_lad

I think that the appeareance of so many of these new vaping shops in the same premises as the recently outlawed and closed head shops is no coincidence!

Vaping needs to be fully regulated and all advertising done the same as all tobacco advertising and sales!

They are being intentially targeted at young people and this practice must stop! They should be treated the same as cigarettes and banned in all places that smoking is banned!

Many people are not aware that it is banned on all public transport but that is no surprise because this is not advertised by either public or private transport companies.

Finally well done and keep at it to anyone who has managed to stop smoking with the help of these yokes but remember that replacing one evil with another is no help! Ye now need to decrease the amount of nicotine until you see it for what it is, a waste of your time money and effort!

Penny Tration

foggy_lad wrote: »

I think that the appeareance of so many of these new vaping shops in the same premises as the recently outlawed and closed head shops is no coincidence!

Vaping needs to be fully regulated and all advertising done the same as all tobacco advertising and sales!

They are being intentially targeted at young people and this practice must stop! They should be treated the same as cigarettes and banned in all places that smoking is banned!

Many people are not aware that it is banned on all public transport but that is no surprise because this is not advertised by either public or private transport companies.

Finally well done and keep at it to anyone who has managed to stop smoking with the help of these yokes but remember that replacing one evil with another is no help! Ye now need to decrease the amount of nicotine until you see it for what it is, a waste of your time money and effort!

Find me an Irish vaping company who deliberately targets these at children, and I'll eat my knickers.

They should NOT be treated the same as cigarettes, because they are NOT the same as cigarettes.

Many, many people who use ecigs reduce their nicotine consumption. Saying they're a waste of money is absolutely laughable. I've gone from spending 140 euro per week on cigarettes, to spending about 40 euro per month, tops, on vaping. Far from a waste of money, it's saving me 520 euro per month.

ArmaniJeanss

foggy_lad wrote: »

Many people are not aware that it is banned on all public transport but that is no surprise because this is not advertised by either public or private transport companies.

I don't think they are actually banned on the Luas, nothing in their byelaws anyway.
http://www.luas.ie/luas-byelaws.html

Calina

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

They should NOT be treated the same as cigarettes, because they are NOT the same as cigarettes.

You use them for exactly the same purpose, however.

There's a move on the part of a lot of companies to normalise vaping. They are not doing this for your health or good habit building. They are doing it for the sake of their bottom line. A lot of those companies are tobacco companies. They don't care what you buy off them provided you give them your money.

In my view, given that vaping to all intents and purposes is a smoking substitute, it should be regulated in much the way as smoking. This means avoiding making it socially acceptable and avoiding normalising it as a behaviour.

Sunny Dayz

I think e-cigs should be treated the same way as normal cigs. That includes where they are used, where they are sold and how they are sold. They are openly displayed beside cash registers and pop up shops. There is a stall in my local shopping centre and the girl stands there with the packs in her hand trying to sell them to passers by (adults), I don't smoke and I don't appreciate being offered them either.


Well done to those who have quit smoking as a result of them though! But e-cigs should be in the same category of real cigs, not in a category with quit smoking patches and gums.

Gongoozler

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

I think e-cigs should be treated the same way as normal cigs. That includes where they are used, where they are sold and how they are sold. They are openly displayed beside cash registers and pop up shops. There is a stall in my local shopping centre and the girl stands there with the packs in her hand trying to sell them to passers by (adults), I don't smoke and I don't appreciate being offered them either.


Well done to those who have quit smoking as a result of them though! But e-cigs should be in the same category of real cigs, not in a category with quit smoking patches and gums.

Why?