Man horribly gored at event in Spain

ScumLord · 16-02-2015 06:32PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Even better when the bull hooks a bullfighter with his horns, seemingly they stick those spears in the neck of the bull so he won't be able to fight back before killing it with a sword.

I think one of the reasons they spear the neck is to weaken the muscles so it lowers it's head and exposes the area the matador needs to hit with his sword so he can get through to the heart with one thrust and get an instant kill.

mikhail · 16-02-2015 06:34PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

You can explain yourself all you want. I already pointed out that I don't need your post explained to me because it's not a case of me not understanding it, it's just that I think it is silly. If you don't want people making "value judgments" on your posts maybe you should think twice before casually comparing bull runners with paedophiles.

That sounds like paedo talk to me. :P

mikhail · 16-02-2015 06:40PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Even better when the bull hooks a bullfighter with his horns, seemingly they stick those spears in the neck of the bull so he won't be able to fight back before killing it with a sword.

You seem like a sensible fellow. Could you answer this question for me please?

mikhail wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance, but while I understand people's distaste for a bull fight, with all the attendant cruelty, hamstringing and death, but this was a bull run. How does letting some bulls chase some idiots down a street equate with killing [it]? Perhaps there's some more to this I'm unaware of.

I am curious as to whether bull running actually involves any animal cruelty, or if everyone's just accepted that bull running = bull fighting for no discernable reason. They both involve bulls. My grandfather kept a bull. Sometimes he'd water it. Once it nearly killed him. Maybe we should have cheered that? It involved a bull. And frankly, the American tourist probably didn't chain his one up.

Ave Sodalis · 16-02-2015 06:51PM

Springsprung wrote: »

Some serious psychopaths on this thread who would have no sympathy for a man being gored by a bull.

If the bull broke out and gored him, then that's hateful and I'd feel sorry for him. As in stands however, he was running in front of the bull that was deliberately set loose for that purpose with full knowledge that he has a high chance of being hurt or killed. If you knowingly jump into a tank full of sharks and get injuried or killed, then I've no sympathy for you. Similarly, if you go running with bulls and get gored by said bulls, then I've no sympathy for you.

Galwayguy35 · 16-02-2015 06:52PM

mikhail wrote: »

You seem like a sensible fellow. Could you answer this question for me please?

I am curious as to whether bull running actually involves any animal cruelty, or if everyone's just accepted that bull running = bull fighting for no discernable reason. They both involve bulls. My grandfather kept a bull. Sometimes he'd water it. Once it nearly killed him. Maybe we should have cheered that? It involved a bull. And frankly, the American tourist probably didn't chain his one up.

Well I think having frightened animals running down a street being chased and taunted by people would be classed as animal cruelty but that's just my opinion.

Also all those bulls will end up dead just like the ones in the ring.

Nobody said bulls aren't dangerous, I'm sure your Grandfather wasn't taunting the bull which is what these idiots do hence the zero sympathy for them.

coffeepls · 16-02-2015 07:00PM

ScumLord wrote: »

I think one of the reasons they spear the neck is to weaken the muscles so it lowers it's head and exposes the area the matador needs to hit with his sword so he can get through to the heart with one thrust and get an instant kill.

I learn a little something every day!

Kintarō Hattori · 16-02-2015 07:01PM

Have the Americans looked for the bull to be extradited yet?

mikhail · 16-02-2015 07:03PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Well I think having frightened animals running down a street being chased and taunted by people would be classed as animal cruelty but that's just my opinion.

Thank you for actually answering. Certainly, if it's as you say, I'd agree it's somewhat cruel (though hardly on the scale of the bull fight). However, my understanding is that the bulls are the ones doing the chasing. Also, what makes you think they're frightened of some gibbering monkeys? I don't know bulls so well, but dogs or horses running in a pack like that would arguably be having a lot of fun.

Also all those bulls will end up dead just like the ones in the ring.

All the posters in this thread will end up dead too.

Nobody said bulls aren't dangerous, I'm sure your Grandfather wasn't taunting the bull which is what these idiots do hence the zero sympathy for them.

Ach, I'm just making a silly comparison again. Let's not go down that rabbit-hole.

Ave Sodalis · 16-02-2015 07:06PM

mikhail wrote: »

but dogs or horses running in a pack like that would arguably be having a lot of fun.

It really depends on the circumstance. Horses certainly love to run, especially in a pack but unless they've been trained and habituated, an environment like that would be very stressful on a horse. I'd imagine it's the same for the bulls.

Menas · 16-02-2015 07:19PM

Springsprung wrote: »

People do stupid things and as a result can suffer terrible consequences even though they aren't bad people. If you can't feel any sympathy for a human being suffering such horrific injuries you are a psychopath.

Pretty much my thoughts on this. Feel sorry for him but he is responsible for his own injuries.

Ave Sodalis · 16-02-2015 07:21PM

Springsprung wrote: »

People do stupid things and as a result can suffer terrible consequences even though they aren't bad people. If you can't feel any sympathy for a human being suffering such horrific injuries you are a psychopath.

You're confusing empathy and sympathy. I'm empathic of his injuries and know that they'd be very painful. I don't however, have sympathy for him. He put himself in the path of running bulls, knowing that they are running and knowing the consequences of what happens if he gets caught. He got caught.

bpmurray · 16-02-2015 07:23PM

mikhail wrote: »

I am curious as to whether bull running actually involves any animal cruelty, or if everyone's just accepted that bull running = bull fighting for no discernable reason.

In this case, the bulls are run to the bull ring where they are slaughtered using the time-honoured torture that's bull fighting. From this article:

During Carnival days bullfights are celebrated in the Plaza Mayor of Ciudad Rodrigo. Inside the Plaza, a bull-ring is put up by hand in a rectangular formation. But before the fights, the mirobrigenses (people from Ciudad Rodrigo) take part in an exciting and dangerous festival: los encierros, the running of the bull.

It doesn't mention the use of the bull to deliver an enema.

ALiasEX · 16-02-2015 07:54PM

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

How does deliberately hurting animals for entertainment purposes even remotely equate to killing them quickly and humanely for food?

Not all slaughters go to plan and since you don't need to eat meat you are causing unnecessary suffering.

Penny Tration · 16-02-2015 08:05PM

mikhail wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance, but while I understand people's distaste for a bull fight, with all the attendant cruelty, hamstringing and death, but this was a bull run. How does letting some bulls chase some idiots down a street equate with killing and eating one? Perhaps there's some more to this I'm unaware of.

The bull running traditionally is a run to the bullring, where they are then in a bullfight and killed.

I never mentioned anything about eating bulls, to clarify.

Penny Tration · 16-02-2015 08:06PM

ALiasEX wrote: »

Not all slaughters go to plan and since you don't need to eat meat you are causing unnecessary suffering.

That still doesn't compare. A slaughter going wrong is not deliberately causing a tortuous death to the animal, it's an accident. Killing an animal for food is also vastly different to killing them for fun.

Roquentin · 16-02-2015 08:06PM

A US student has been hospitalised after being gored and tossed by a bull during the Carnaval del Toro in Spain.

20-year-old Benjamin Miller, of Georgia, is recovering in the intensive care unit of a hospital in western Salamanca after receiving horrific injuries from a large fighting bull on 14 February, officials said.

The man was gored multiple times. He received multiple wounds including wounds to his back, thigh and.....sphincter. One of his wounds was 40cm.

My opinion: if you are going to allow this kind of thing, then is the possibility. No one should be sorry for you, you take your life in your hands when you do this ****.

play with matches

Dyr · 16-02-2015 08:10PM

some ring stinger that, bulls horn up your gicker, I'd say the bull was wearing him like a novelty hat

DoYouEvenLift · 16-02-2015 08:13PM

I plan on doing the bull run one day. I am well aware of the risks involved. If I end up in this guys shoes I won't expect or deserve sympathy.

wupucus · 16-02-2015 08:19PM

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

I plan on doing the bull run one day. I am well aware of the risks involved. If I end up in this guys shoes I won't expect or deserve sympathy.

I hope you get it up the arse- just like the other idiot-what did the bull do to you? im sure you will look good with hoof marks on the back of your head-

DeadHand · 16-02-2015 08:22PM

Quick, we need to save this bull.

We'll just claim he's gay and some idiot will pay a overpay spectacularly to buy him, have him shipped out of there, castrated, left listless and miserable in a pen for a few years before dying painfully, the hundreds of kilos of perfectly good meat thrown straight in a skip at a time when human beings are starving to death.

Stojkovic · 16-02-2015 08:24PM

Have the US launched a drone strike on Spain yet ?

Roquentin · 16-02-2015 08:28PM

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

I plan on doing the bull run one day. I am well aware of the risks involved. If I end up in this guys shoes I won't expect or deserve sympathy.

ever read michael longleys poetry. a common theme is the bravado of young men who sign up for war thinking they will have a great laugh and end up stepping on a mine and losing their legs and living the rest of their lives in regret.

Capt'n Midnight · 16-02-2015 09:00PM

jmayo wrote: »

If he wants a real thrill he should head to syria, Libya or Northern Iraq.

A Russian travel company will start organising trips to war-torn areas of eastern Ukraine

Eugene Norman · 16-02-2015 09:06PM

wupucus wrote: »

I hope you get it up the arse- just like the other idiot-what did the bull do to you? im sure you will look good with hoof marks on the back of your head-

What did food ever do to you?

NotYourYear20 · 16-02-2015 09:09PM

I have absolutely zero sympathy for the victim. When you treat animals barbarically, then prepare to meet karma at some point.

DoYouEvenLift · 16-02-2015 09:10PM

wupucus wrote: »

I hope you get it up the arse- just like the other idiot-what did the bull do to you? im sure you will look good with hoof marks on the back of your head-

Are you confusing the bull run with bull fighting?

kowloon · 16-02-2015 09:15PM

seamus wrote: »

So he was either participating in the event or was the victim of some freak occurrence whereby either he or the bull were magically teleported to the same place at the same time.

Yet another type 4 bovine anomaly, when will this war with the bulls end?

Animal cruelty for sport isn't acceptable, it pisses me off when try to claim it's an important part of their culture. Spain isn't alone in this, Ireland needs to take animal welfare more seriously.

Desolation Of Smug · 16-02-2015 09:22PM

DavidRamsay99 wrote: »

He knew the risks and he's not asking for sympathy. The whole thrill of the running of the bulls is to risk your life. We live in a health and safety and politically correct world. Men want to feel like men. In the past men broke horses, hunted whales, sharks and bears and fought Injuns and pirates.

Nothing like a pointy horn rammed up your khyber and a lifetime in nappies, to make you feel like a man...:) I feel remarkably man-like. I just opened a particularly tough jar of pickles for the Missus,.

Pumpkinseeds · 16-02-2015 09:36PM

I'm delighted the bull gored him. It's obscene that this so called sport is still happening. I don't see how anyone can enjoy these 'blood sports'. There's something seriously fcuked up with you if you enjoy seeing animals suffer.

Eugene Norman · 16-02-2015 09:42PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I'm delighted the bull gored him. It's obscene that this so called sport is still happening. I don't see how anyone can enjoy these 'blood sports'. There's something seriously fcuked up with you if you enjoy seeing animals suffer.

Isn't it the human who mostly suffers?

Man horribly gored at event in Spain

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