Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Vic Vinegar · 13-02-2015 12:41AM

The thread is reaching new levels of weirdness.

shadowcomplex · 13-02-2015 01:02AM

Heres the team Id like to see and yes folks they all are united players so no getting on my back

De Gea

McNair

Jones or Smalling----Rojo----Shaw--

Blind

Carrick

Herrera

Mata

Di Maria

Rooney

Rayne Wooney · 13-02-2015 01:17AM

Wonder what Giggs thinks of our season so far

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/paul-scholes-column-this-manchester-united-team-is-not-being-true-to-the-clubs-ethos-of-attacking-and-taking-risks-10042729.html

Maximus Alexander · 13-02-2015 01:24AM

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Heres the team Id like to see and yes folks they all are united players so no getting on my back

De Gea

McNair
Jones or Smalling----Rojo----Shaw--

Blind
Carrick

Herrera
Mata
Di Maria

Rooney

No Nani? :mad:

Pro. F · 13-02-2015 08:20AM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Nani can play stink but create chances at the moment Janjuaz is playing stink and creating very little.

Januzaj played well on Wednesday night.

kryogen · 13-02-2015 08:25AM

Created nothing though.

Backstreet Moyes · 13-02-2015 08:26AM

Pro. F wrote: »

Januzaj played well on Wednesday night.

I agree but that's probably the first game in awhile he has looked good. It's probably lack of playing. Keeping Nani and sending Janjuaz out for first team football would have been a far better idea.

13-02-2015 08:30AM

Pro. F wrote: »

Januzaj played well on Wednesday night.

He overplayed and ran into trouble every time he got the ball. There was one time he just kept going for about 30 seconds when there was no way he was getting through. He doesn't have the blistering pace to play like he wants to at this level and plays like he's still in the U21s where he was twice as good as most defenders.

Pro. F · 13-02-2015 09:06AM

kryogen wrote: »

Created nothing though.

That's not surprising when the movement from his teammates was so poor. Di Maria has had the same problem many times this season.

Nuts102 wrote: »

I agree but that's probably the first game in awhile he has looked good. It's probably lack of playing. Keeping Nani and sending Janjuaz out for first team football would have been a far better idea.

He also played well against Leicester. I wouldn't have been against sending him out on loan.

Liam O wrote: »

He overplayed and ran into trouble every time he got the ball. There was one time he just kept going for about 30 seconds when there was no way he was getting through. He doesn't have the blistering pace to play like he wants to at this level and plays like he's still in the U21s where he was twice as good as most defenders.

Your first sentence is completely untrue.

kryogen · 13-02-2015 09:11AM

Pro. F wrote: »

That's not surprising when the movement from his teammates was so poor. Di Maria has had the same problem many times this season.

He also played well against Leicester. I wouldn't have been against sending him out on loan.

Its may not be surprising, just an observation because the other poster said something about not creating chances, you said he played well, just noting they are not necessarily linked.

He played alright, he took people on, he over played it at times and lost it but at least he tried and on another day he may have created something or scored, just in this instance he didn't.

I am of the mind, and have been since the summer that a loan would have been the best thing for him. I understand why he was kept too though

BKtje · 13-02-2015 09:17AM

Liam O wrote: »

He overplayed and ran into trouble every time he got the ball.

While I agree that at times he overplayed but often he had no other option. Was sitting quite near to where he was playing in the second half and very often he was isolated but with no other choice than to hold on to it. True it wasn't every time and sometimes he overplayed but it the majority of the time he had no choice.

Nalz · 13-02-2015 09:30AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Evans was absolute rubbish last night, in keeping with his performances over the course of the season. How you can still defend him is beyond me.

+1 big style

Pro. F · 13-02-2015 09:39AM

kryogen wrote: »

Its may not be surprising, just an observation because the other poster said something about not creating chances, you said he played well, just noting they are not necessarily linked.

He played alright, he took people on, he over played it at times and lost it but at least he tried and on another day he may have created something or scored, just in this instance he didn't.

I am of the mind, and have been since the summer that a loan would have been the best thing for him. I understand why he was kept too though

Just to be clear, I was responding to the claim that Januzaj is playing stink, rather than the claim that he's not creating chances. With all the focus on how he isn't good enough yet, I think the majority are overlooking the good performances he puts in.

13-02-2015 09:49AM

Pro. F wrote: »

Just to be clear, I was responding to the claim that Januzaj is playing stink, rather than the claim that he's not creating chances. With all the focus on how he isn't good enough yet, I think the majority are overlooking the good performances he puts in.

Running at players with his head down is ok if he pulls it off but he rarely does, just watched his highlight video and there are times he gets it deep and looks up and finds a decent enough pass but as soon as he gets into the final third it's just so selfish and head down, not looking for anything other than beating 2 players and shooting or putting in a blind cross. Not good enough imo and it will stop him progressing if that is indulged much further.

Pro. F · 13-02-2015 10:32AM

Liam O wrote: »

Running at players with his head down is ok if he pulls it off but he rarely does, just watched his highlight video and there are times he gets it deep and looks up and finds a decent enough pass but as soon as he gets into the final third it's just so selfish and head down, not looking for anything other than beating 2 players and shooting or putting in a blind cross. Not good enough imo and it will stop him progressing if that is indulged much further.

So you've gone from saying that he overplayed and ran into trouble every time he got the ball to now saying there were times he got the ball deep and picked a decent enough pass. The truth is that he kept possession well the majority of times he received the ball deep and he used possession well the majority of times he received in the final third.

Here's his highlights video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S8Gf16NczY

Of the 11 times he got the ball in the final third he only gave it away cheaply 4 times. The other times he either put in a decent cross, laid the ball off to somebody in space or won a throw.

Or were there more times when he received in the final third that aren't included in this video?

JaMarcusHustle · 13-02-2015 10:34AM

Pro. F wrote: »

Of the 11 times he got the ball in the final third he only gave it away cheaply 4 times.

Only?

bangkok · 13-02-2015 10:42AM

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/165/9712373/paul-scholes-claims-manchester-united-are-playing-miserable-football

scholes saying utd playing miserable football...Hyperbole :P

Pro. F · 13-02-2015 10:43AM

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Only?

Yes only. There's no problem with a winger giving the ball away cheaply less than half the time he receives it in the final third. If he takes risk then he'll lose the ball cheaply some times and if he doesn't take risks in the final third he wouldn't have a chance of achieving anything.

The Moldy Gowl · 13-02-2015 10:48AM

bangkok wrote: »

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/165/9712373/paul-scholes-claims-manchester-united-are-playing-miserable-football

scholes saying utd playing miserable football...Hyperbole :P

You said this yesterday as well.

Just because they are famous or played soccer dosent make hyperbole more credible.

Pro. F · 13-02-2015 10:51AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

You said this yesterday as well.

Just because they are famous or played soccer dosent make hyperbole more credible.

It's not hyperbole to say United are playing miserable football.

Maximus Alexander · 13-02-2015 10:52AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

You said this yesterday as well.

Just because they are famous or played soccer dosent make hyperbole more credible.

Wait a minute, are you implying that not everything Eamon Dunphy says is measured and correct?

Lord TSC · 13-02-2015 10:52AM

bangkok wrote: »

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/165/9712373/paul-scholes-claims-manchester-united-are-playing-miserable-football

scholes saying utd playing miserable football...Hyperbole :P

I wouldn't classify "miserable" as hyerpbole at all. It is miserable. But you'll note he's not using terms like "embarrassing", "disgrace", "spoofer". He's not saying we're doomed or calling for LVG's head. That reads pretty much how I think most people would feel right now.

This goes back to what I was saying; it's entirely possible to present the problems without resorting to hyperbole nor resorting to soundbites.

bangkok · 13-02-2015 10:53AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

You said this yesterday as well.

Just because they are famous or played soccer dosent make hyperbole more credible.

yea I know I did and I stand by it 100%, we are playing rubbish

The Moldy Gowl · 13-02-2015 10:54AM

Pro. F wrote: »

It's not hyperbole to say United are playing miserable football.

Sorry. No, the football is miserable. No one can debate that.

But Bangkok is trying to get this idea across that because someone we respect says it, then his own nonsense is justified.

sky88 · 13-02-2015 10:56AM

i think the problem with januajz except i cant spell his name is that he seems to get into good positions but then hesitates before playing the ball and ends up running with the ball too long and getting the ball taken away from. this could be just a confidence thing and hopefully goes away with being in the team.

The Moldy Gowl · 13-02-2015 10:56AM

bangkok wrote: »

yea I know I did and I stand by it 100%, we are playing rubbish

Yes we are. No one is arguing we are playing free flowing football.

It's when people get the thesaurus out is when it gets pathetic and embarrassing.

TheDoc · 13-02-2015 10:56AM

I'd imagine maybe some of the interpretation on Januzaj is maybe like what I have on him, he sometimes aimlessly looses the ball or tries silly dribbles, or makes a tit of a really obvious sort of decision.

But improving the end product is something that will come with time and the likes. Against Burnley he had some neat little passages of play and some nice moments, but then had some wildly frustrating ones.

I'd imagine the frustrating ones stick fresher in the mind then the neat stuff that didn't lead to anything of note. It fits in with the overall frustration at the performance this week. That's from my memory anyway, cant see the video above in work.

bangkok · 13-02-2015 10:56AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Sorry. No, the football is miserable. No one can debate that.

But Bangkok is trying to get this idea across that because someone we respect says it, then his own nonsense is justified.

eh no im not, im saying what im seeing, you don't agree then someone like scholes or Neville says it and I just use it to back up my argument

Pro. F · 13-02-2015 10:59AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Sorry. No, the football is miserable. No one can debate that.

But Bangkok is trying to get this idea across that because someone we respect says it, then his own nonsense is justified.

Meh. I think the over reaction against the hyperbole has been more prolific than the hyperbole at this stage.

TheDoc · 13-02-2015 10:59AM

sky88 wrote: »

i think the problem with januajz except i cant spell his name is that he seems to get into good positions but then hesitates before playing the ball and ends up running with the ball too long and getting the ball taken away from. this could be just a confidence thing and hopefully goes away with being in the team.

End product will develop with age and experience as he starts to understand what to do in certain situations. I'm not comparing him to Ronaldo, but Ronaldo is the prime example of someone who was wildly wasteful at the start, and then barely put a foot wrong towards to end of his Old Trafford stay.

It might be a case of putting up with the errors, but realising the first team experience will make im learn from it and get better. He is clearly too good to operate at the under 21 /reserve level, but he's not complete enough to be a first team solution long term. But he's only 19.

I think overall it might prove the right decision to keep him in the squad, and play him in games, just to get him that exposure.

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

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