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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #2342
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    reprise wrote: »
    Do you know of anyone who has ever left a job in Ireland over same sex marriage and pinned it on their employer?

    Relevance ?


  • #2343
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    reprise wrote: »
    Do you know of anyone who has ever left a job in Ireland over same sex marriage and pinned it on their employer?

    No, do you know any techie people who are gay?


  • #2344
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    marienbad wrote: »
    Relevance ?


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Yes, and staff retention, especially of the best staff, is very important. They spend a lot of effort on recruiting the best people, and do not want to lose them.

    Of course they are not genuinely concerned for anyone's happiness because they are so lovely, they are concerned because unhappy staff leave, and then bitch to their techie friends and put other people off.

    ^^^


  • #2345
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    No, do you know any techie people who are gay?

    None of your business.


  • #2346
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    reprise wrote: »
    None of your business.

    Whether you know it or not, you probably do.

    And if SSM fails, some of them will pack their bags for less hostile shores, leaving their jobs behind them, and annoying the hell out of the managers and team leads who went to a lot of trouble to find and hire them.

    But I don't actually think encouraging foreign direct investment is a sensible reason to vote for SSM. That would be like saying we shouldn't beat up black people because it might put foreign investors off.


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  • #2347
    tom_k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭tom_k


    jaja321 wrote: »
    Does anyone know if you are registered to vote in Ireland, but expect to be out of the country with work on the day of the vote, if you can post your vote in?
    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Only certain types of employees

    An Irish diplomat or his/her spouse posted abroad
    A member of the Garda Síochána
    A whole-time member of the Defence Forces.

    jaja321, if it's due to your occupation you may be allowed to use a postal vote. The following information is from Citizens Information.

    You may also be eligible for a postal vote if you cannot go to a polling station because:

    Of a physical illness or disability
    You are studying full time at an educational institution in Ireland, which is away from your home address where you are registered
    You are unable to vote at your polling station because of your occupation
    You are unable to vote at your polling station because you are in prison as a result of an order of a court.

    Applications for inclusion on the Postal Voters List must be received by 25 November at the latest.

    If you are registered as a postal voter, you may vote by post only. You may not vote at a polling station.
    Supplement to the Postal Voters List

    If you are eligible for the postal voter list but are not included, you can apply for inclusion in the relevant supplement to the lists.

    The latest date for receipt of applications is:

    2 days after the date of dissolution of the Dáil in the case of a general election
    2 days after the date of the order appointing polling day in the case of a Dáil bye-election
    22 days (excluding Sundays and public holidays) before polling day for other elections or referenda

    Application forms are available from your local authority.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/elections_and_referenda/voting/registering_to_vote.html#leb892


  • #2348
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    No, do you know any techie people who are gay?
    There are plenty. My mate's graduating class in CS had more gay men than it had women.


  • #2349
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    reprise wrote: »
    ^^^


    Your are not answering that point at all . SSM is such a recent phenomenon there is no data on its effect on employees yet that I know of .

    But multinationals are always quick to adopt the latest changes to improve conditions for its workforce, particularly when it costs nothing.


  • #2350
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    reprise wrote: »
    So if I suggest that the billions of dollars worth of tech investment to this Country, the envy of the world, was because we don't have ssm and it wasn't even close to being a consideration when these companies started up, would that stand up?

    That because is patently ridiculous.

    It is true that SSM wasn't an issue here when Amazon, Google or eBay invested here.

    But it is now.


  • #2351
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Whether you know it or not, you probably do.

    So what? Gay people are not some exotic species to hetrosexuals.
    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    And if SSM fails, some of them will pack their bags for less hostile shores, leaving their jobs behind them, and annoying the hell out of the managers and team leads who went to a lot of trouble to find and hire them.

    Again, so what? there are thousands of reasons people leave jobs - why focus on a very isolated and dubious one?
    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    But I don't actually think encouraging foreign direct investment is a sensible reason to vote for SSM. That would be like saying we shouldn't beat up black people because it might put foreign investors off.

    The absurd line being taken here is SSM is condusive to FDI when the polar opposite argument could be made that the lack of SSM is what DROVE billions of dollars of fdi into Ireland in the first place.


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  • #2352
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    marienbad wrote: »
    Your are not answering that point at all . SSM is such a recent phenomenon there is no data on its effect on employees yet that I know of .

    But multinationals are always quick to adopt the latest changes to improve conditions for its workforce, particularly when it costs nothing.

    Yes , talk is cheap. It's still free publicity, but still talk.


  • #2353
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    That because is patently ridiculous.

    It is true that SSM wasn't an issue here when Amazon, Google or eBay invested here.

    But it is now.

    From a business perspective, It's not.


  • #2354
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    reprise wrote: »
    From a business perspective, It's not.

    If Microsoft say it is then of course it is , maybe not a huge asset ,but an asset nonetheless


  • #2355
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    marienbad wrote: »
    If Microsoft say it is then of course it is , maybe not a huge asset ,but an asset nonetheless

    It's as relevant to them as the taste of Guinness and I am sure you could get them to sing the praises of that as quick.


  • #2356
    Flem31
    Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    marienbad wrote: »
    If Microsoft say it is then of course it is , maybe not a huge asset ,but an asset nonetheless

    But he also quoted Germany as being one of the countries to have this competitive advantage.......but they don't have SSM
    So apparently not having SSM wouldn't be that big a deal for Microsoft


  • #2357
    Flem31
    Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Flem31


    Mr Smith also said that countries that recognise same-sex marriages have a competitive edge in retaining skilled workers.

    "We believe countries that provide immigration benefits to same-sex permanent partners - such as Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands, Canada, the United Kingdom, France and Australia - place themselves at a competitive advantage for securing top talent and benefiting from the contributions of a diverse workforce."


  • #2358
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    I dont know about anyone else but if I was to pick a country to live and work in somewhere which wouldnt treat me as second class would probably be up there.


  • #2359
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    I dont know about anyone else but if I was to pick a country to live and work in somewhere which wouldnt treat me as second class would probably be up there.

    I am starting to think you would struggle anywhere you went.


  • #2360
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    reprise wrote: »
    I am starting to think you would struggle anywhere you went.

    Why would that be?

    I'm straight, white and male. There are a few places I would avoid but overall I shouldnt run into too much trouble.


  • #2361
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    reprise wrote: »
    It's as relevant to them as the taste of Guinness and I am sure you could get them to sing the praises of that as quick.

    So was he lying or what ?


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  • #2362
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Why would that be?

    I'm straight, white and male. There are a few places I would avoid but overall I shouldnt run into too much trouble.

    Would you not avoid the overwhelming majority of Countries that think nothing of "denying" ssm?


  • #2363
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    marienbad wrote: »
    So was he lying or what ?

    What has he got to lose?

    The free publicity is a nice touch for the company.


  • #2364
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    reprise wrote: »
    Would you not avoid the overwhelming majority of Countries that think nothing of "denying" ssm?

    Nope, I'm straight, won't affect me.

    There are countries where I wouldnt want to settle long term but for a few years I would be fine. Most of Europe and North America will have it soon enough anyway.


  • #2365
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Nope, I'm straight, won't affect me.

    There are countries where I wouldnt want to settle long term but for a few years I would be fine. Most of Europe and North America will have it soon enough anyway.

    Then why were you banging on about being a second class citizen?


  • #2366
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    reprise wrote: »
    Then why were you banging on about being a second class citizen?

    I said I wouldnt want to live in a country where I was a second class citizen. If I was looking to move to another country and they told me I wouldnt be married to my wife there I would probably look elsewhere.


  • #2367
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    I said I wouldnt want to live in a country where I was a second class citizen. If I was looking to move to another country and they told me I wouldnt be married to my wife there I would probably look elsewhere.

    1. No country can dissolve your marriage.
    2. There is no ticket to "first class" just because you marry, anywhere.


  • #2368
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    reprise wrote: »
    1. No country can dissolve your marriage.

    If 2 men get married in the UK and move here are they considered married by the state?

    reprise wrote: »
    2. There is no ticket to "first class" just because you marry, anywhere.

    No but a country where people actively go out of their way to prevent me from being treated as equal based on something like religion, race, sexuality or gender are hardly bastions of equality.


  • #2369
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Would you go set up a farm in Zimbabwe?

    :)


  • #2370
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    If 2 men get married in the UK and move here are they considered married by the state?

    No. Does that make them less married?
    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    No but a country where people actively go out of their way to prevent me from being treated as equal based on something like religion, race, sexuality or gender are hardly bastions of equality.

    Depends on your definition of equality.


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  • #2371
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    DeVore wrote: »
    Would you go set up a farm in Zimbabwe?

    :)

    I can try but I might not keep it for long :pac:

    I suppose that's their culture and any attempts for me to farm on their land would go against the definition of farmer. It would be intolerant of me to attempt for farm there.
    reprise wrote: »
    No. Does that make them less married?

    Yes. They can enjoy all the pretending they want but when it comes down to it they wont be legally married and be unable to avail of anything married couples can.
    reprise wrote: »
    Depends on your definition of equality.

    Not being discriminated against due to religion, race, gender or sexuality.

    Here's a link. This is for Irish law but Im sure its similar in other countries
    http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Equality_FAQ


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