How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

aloyisious

Olivia O'Leary is giving her opinion-piece on her weekly political evaluation talk on RTE now all about the SSM referendum. She's just mentioned the referendum is not about adoption.

PopePalpatine

aloyisious wrote: »

Olivia O'Leary is giving her opinion-piece on her weekly political evaluation talk on RTE now all about the SSM referendum. She's just mentioned the referendum is not about adoption.

Hold on, we need Mick "The Bull" Daly to balance her out!

floggg

aloyisious wrote: »

Olivia O'Leary is giving her opinion-piece on her weekly political evaluation talk on RTE now all about the SSM referendum. She's just mentioned the referendum is not about adoption.

Any links? Couldn't find the podcast on iTunes

aloyisious

Sorry, I've googled RTE and got onto the drivetime podcasts section but their system keeps bouncing me back to RTE player when I've pressed the play button for Tuesday 03 Feb on the section. If you do manage to get past RTE's baffling system, Olivia start's at the 56th minute

david75

aloyisious wrote: »

Sorry, I've googled RTE and got onto the drivetime podcasts section but their system keeps bouncing me back to RTE player when I've pressed the play button for Tuesday 03 Feb on the section. If you do manage to get past RTE's baffling system, Olivia start's at the 56th minute

here is olivias piece without having to trawl through the podcast, which it wasnt included in btw
https://soundcloud.com/rory-brendan/olivia-oleary-on-marriage

david75

the no campaign have already redefined marriage on their own this past month...marriage means parenthood now..

utterly ridiculous of them

aloyisious

It's the usual ploy: mislead the voter, not inform the voter. The Yes side will have to call the No-side out on this lie by trumping it continually with the existence of same-sex parented families inclusive of their children, stating the number of families, children within the families, number of years that the families have been in existence here and have not destroyed marriage, family or children's rights.

Highlight the fact carefully ignored by the No side that same-sex parented families with children do exist. Prove to the voter how the published No side claims on how a YES vote in the referendum will affect parenthood, families and marriage are not true, but are lies. The fight will be on the doorstep. I can see this going right down to the last day or two before the vote, before canvassing is ended under the law. Just hope that there will be a few days break between the church sermon and the vote. If you see or hear a lie, don't get angry with their lies and duplicity, call them out on it calmly with the facts of modern Irish life and show them up to be frauds.

david75

The no camps brightest stars are beginning to peep
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9RcFilIMAATl_h.jpg:large

david75

this is a cool idea


#MARREF TEXT MESSAGE
Text your friends and family to register and support. Just Copy, Paste and Edit the text below.
This coming May, a referendum will be held to decide whether or not to add a line to the constitution allowing same-sex couples the right to marry.

This right means a lot to me; the right to be treated as equal citizens under the law.

This change won't happen easily, and we are looking for help from family and friends by asking you to vote. Check that you are registered to vote at www.checktheregister.ie

It's not too late to register to vote by joining the Supplementary Register. You can download an application form (RFA2) at http://goo.gl/jZvCF1. If you need to change your details or address, Form RFA1 and RFA3 are available here also.

We would appreciate if you could pass this message on to your friends and family.

Thanks for your support, _______.

P.S. Contrary to many reports, the Marriage Referendum has nothing to do with parental rights; this is a completely separate issue that is being dealt with in the Children & Family Relationships Bill. In March of this year this bill is due to be enacted giving same-sex couples parental and adoptive rights. The Marriage Referendum in May is only about affording same-sex couples the right to marry.

Tugboats

david75 wrote: »

this is a cool idea


#MARREF TEXT MESSAGE
Text your friends and family to register and support. Just Copy, Paste and Edit the text below.
This coming May, a referendum will be held to decide whether or not to add a line to the constitution allowing same-sex couples the right to marry.

This right means a lot to me; the right to be treated as equal citizens under the law.

This change won't happen easily, and we are looking for help from family and friends by asking you to vote. Check that you are registered to vote at www.checktheregister.ie

It's not too late to register to vote by joining the Supplementary Register. You can download an application form (RFA2) at http://goo.gl/jZvCF1. If you need to change your details or address, Form RFA1 and RFA3 are available here also.

We would appreciate if you could pass this message on to your friends and family.

Thanks for your support, _______.

P.S. Contrary to many reports, the Marriage Referendum has nothing to do with parental rights; this is a completely separate issue that is being dealt with in the Children & Family Relationships Bill. In March of this year this bill is due to be enacted giving same-sex couples parental and adoptive rights. The Marriage Referendum in May is only about affording same-sex couples the right to marry.

That a horrible idea. Nobody should ask friends or family for support in a referendum vote. Let people decide themselves instead of putting pressure on them. Your spam should be deleted.

Ave Sodalis

Tugboats wrote: »

That a horrible idea. Nobody should ask friends or family for support in a referendum vote. Let people decide themselves instead of putting pressure on them. Your spam should be deleted.

There's a difference between asking your friends and family for support in a referendum that's going to affect you, and forcing them to vote yes. Asking them is not putting pressure on them, they can still vote no and nobody will be able to tell the difference.

B_Wayne

Tugboats wrote: »

That a horrible idea. Nobody should ask friends or family for support in a referendum vote. Let people decide themselves instead of putting pressure on them. Your spam should be deleted.

Not a horrible idea in the slightest, I've explained to my family members why I will vote yes, they're voting yes because of it. Ultimately nobody will know which way you vote but no harm in encouraging people which way to vote. It'll win on the quality of the arguments and honestly think no side lack a rational reason to vote no.

Tugboats

sup_dude wrote: »

There's a difference between asking your friends and family for support in a referendum that's going to affect you, and forcing them to vote yes. Asking them is not putting pressure on them, they can still vote no and nobody will be able to tell the difference.

I didn't say anything about forcing but asking them for support is in a way putting pressure on them. Im voting yes but i would never discuss it with friends and family or look for "their" support in any referendum. It will be a landslide yes vote so no need to send spam texts or emails to people

Thanks

Ave Sodalis

Tugboats wrote: »

I didn't say anything about forcing but asking them for support is in a way putting pressure on them. Im voting yes but i would never discuss it with friends and family or look for "their" support in any referendum. It will be a landslide yes vote so no need to send spam texts or emails to people

Thanks

But it may not be. There's a difference between the majority of people agreeing with it and majority of people voting yes and if the referendum goes sour for the yes side, it'll be most likely because not enough yes voters went out to actually vote.
I also think, by the wording of the text, that it was designed more so for people who are actually gay and therefore will be affected by the result. However, I'm not gay but I've discussed the referendum multiple times with various friends and family.

Tugboats

sup_dude wrote: »

But it may not be. There's a difference between the majority of people agreeing with it and majority of people voting yes and if the referendum goes sour for the yes side, it'll be most likely because not enough yes voters went out to actually vote.
I also think, by the wording of the text, that it was designed more so for people who are actually gay and therefore will be affected by the result. However, I'm not gay but I've discussed the referendum multiple times with various friends and family.

People should be encouraged to always vote but not how to vote. Some people who are not in favour of gay marriage may feel uncomfortable getting a text like that even though they may have gay friends. No need for it imo

Ave Sodalis

Tugboats wrote: »

People should be encouraged to always vote but not how to vote. Some people who are not in favour of gay marriage may feel uncomfortable getting a text like that even though they may have gay friends. No need for it imo

I would point out that the text, although obviously coming from a yes point of view, does not tell the reader how to vote, only to vote.
I'd be very uncomfortable getting a text from a no side, I may even feel annoyed. However, that would be because the No side have offered no particular reason to vote no that makes sense other than to stick their noses into other people's business, not because they're campaigning for their side. That's how a referendum works. There's usually two sides and both try to push their side. Knowing the no side, even reading through this thread, do you really think the no side are just going to sit there and let people vote whichever way they want?

B_Wayne

Tugboats wrote: »

People should be encouraged to always vote but not how to vote. Some people who are not in favour of gay marriage may feel uncomfortable getting a text like that even though they may have gay friends. No need for it imo

And so what if they feel uncomfortable? I regularly discuss all ranges of topics with friends and family..

shruikan2553

Tugboats wrote: »

People should be encouraged to always vote but not how to vote. Some people who are not in favour of gay marriage may feel uncomfortable getting a text like that even though they may have gay friends. No need for it imo

Welcome to voting. What tends to happen is the sides involved claim why you should vote for them.

bb1234567

I love Ireland but I will be so so ashamed of it if this doesn't pass.

david75

If anything it reminds your friends and family this is happening and to remind them to take part whatever their view..thats not spam, its a public service announcement if anything..

david75

bb1234567 wrote: »

I love Ireland but I will be so so ashamed of it if this doesn't pass.

With you 100%

i'm already looking at options to emigrate if it fails..cos if it fails, i dont wanna live in this country anymore..for a hundred different and justifiable reasons..

im already embarrassed that we have a no side against it...it's a source of unending shame that the church and it's cronies still try hold us back from joining the real world..
ignorance, fear, bigotry, prejudice, and just outright meanness..only reasons im seeing come against it

Tugboats

david75 wrote: »

With you 100%

i'm already looking at options to emigrate if it fails..cos if it fails, i dont wanna live in this country anymore..for a hundred different and justifiable reasons..

im already embarrassed that we have a no side against it...it's a source of unending shame that the church and it's cronies still try hold us back from joining the real world..
ignorance, fear, bigotry, prejudice, and just outright meanness..only reasons im seeing come against it

What is wrong with you? Every county in the world has a % of people who are against gay marriage they cant be avoided. A referendum is finally happening in Ireland and the vast majority of people support it. Why are you focusing and worrying about this tiny minority. Look forward and be positive

david75

I am being positive..did you just not call me out for posting the text above?

100% pro active on this but no harm in planning for all contingencies.

aloyisious

Sorry Tugboats: I don't have the benefit of your total trust in how the vote will come out, or the numbers of Yes voters who will actually use their ballot-paper on the day. I see no harm in asking one's family or friends to come out and cast their paper with a YES. The P/parties are already canvassing for a YES vote.

MRnotlob606

I don't know how do vote in this.

COYVB

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

I don't know how do vote in this.

Well then it sounds like you've got no real reason to vote no. So vote yes and let the people who would like to marry, but can't, marry. It won't affect you and you're doing something nice for the people it does affect

efb

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

I don't know how do vote in this.

Any questions?

Annasopra

Tugboats wrote: »

People should be encouraged to always vote but not how to vote. Some people who are not in favour of gay marriage may feel uncomfortable getting a text like that even though they may have gay friends. No need for it imo

Why shouldnt people be asked to vote in a certain way? I will certainly be asking friends and family to vote yes and knocking on doors to ask for a yes vote.

Annasopra

Tugboats wrote: »

What is wrong with you? Every county in the world has a % of people who are against gay marriage they cant be avoided. A referendum is finally happening in Ireland and the vast majority of people support it. Why are you focusing and worrying about this tiny minority. Look forward and be positive

There is no guarantee the Yes side will win. We have to be prepared for that.

floggg

Tugboats wrote: »

I didn't say anything about forcing but asking them for support is in a way putting pressure on them. Im voting yes but i would never discuss it with friends and family or look for "their" support in any referendum. It will be a landslide yes vote so no need to send spam texts or emails to people

Thanks

I'm sure compared to having their rights voted on, they'll realise the relatively trivial nature of the inconvenience caused, and moreover should be happy to do their bit to help ensure both I, and my relationship, will be recognised as equal to themselves and their own relationship.