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TheDoc · 10-02-2015 10:13AM

bangkok wrote: »

unless you are zonal marking, you normally just go man for man so there is actually not much training to it. its up to you to stay as close as you can to the attacker. Also you would normally put a man at the front post or both posts + one defender marking the area in front of the 6 yard box

While I never reached the dizzy heights of professional football, I'd a good spell in academy football. There is a lot of training involved in set pieces.

And that doesn't include the specific strategies/tactics that a manager or coach might deploy for their own team.

Giggsy11 · 10-02-2015 10:17AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

The odds are usually stacked against the attacking team on a corner unless there's a complete mismatch in height. A goalkeeper should claim anything too close to goal and a defender can get away with holding and manhandling an attacker.
Professional footballers try to counteract it by looking to deliver the perfect corner. When it doesn't come off it looks sh*t and it won't come off a lot of the time.

IIRC I posted almost same thing in the last month or so.

Most of our corners are nearpost in a hope that one of our player will flick it on, when someone does it looks dangerous when not then it looks ****.

Anyone can hit a ball without much pace to the far post or center of the box, but it's of no use.

Kerrydude1981 · 10-02-2015 10:18AM

What Utd need is someone to make a Teddy Sheringham type run for a corner,

http://babb.telegraph.co.uk/tag/teddy-sheringham/

Be funny if the tried out that first corner routine in that link

bangkok · 10-02-2015 10:19AM

TheDoc wrote: »

While I never reached the dizzy heights of professional football, I'd a good spell in academy football. There is a lot of training involved in set pieces.

And that doesn't include the specific strategies/tactics that a manager or coach might deploy for their own team.

yea but the training is geared more towards the attackers scoring a goal as the defender literally just needs to clear the ball

bangkok · 10-02-2015 10:21AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

IIRC I posted almost same thing in the last month or so.

Most of our corners are nearpost in a hope that one of our player will flick it on, when someone does it looks dangerous when not then it looks ****.

Anyone can hit a ball without much pace to the far post or center of the box, but it's of no use.

that's the problem, if they did it with loads of pace and whip its a great ball. if anyone gets a chance, watch gerrard the way he takes corners in matches, probably the best corner taker in the league along with james ward prowse

The Moldy Gowl · 10-02-2015 10:22AM

That's what I was thinking doc. Just hit it in head high seems to be the corer tactic I choice

Along with armchair managers, we now have armchair footballers.

TheDoc · 10-02-2015 10:28AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

That's what I was thinking doc. Just hit it in head high seems to be the corer tactic I choice

Along with armchair managers, we now have armchair footballers.

Obviously they can mix it up a bit.

I don't know Preston for example, but if say Fellaini starts, you might see more balls floated in, with him knocking it down for the second ball.

All revolves around trying to take advantage of your own teams traits and exploit any disadvantages of the opposing side.

first season De Gea was here, most corners were in swingers on top of him, with one, two even three players crowding him.

Actual pet hate of mine as a former keeper. Opposing strikers standing there trying to block my run out to claim a ball. Game has definitly changed( I used to be able to **** them out of the way) , but not sure why it's not blown as obstruction nowadays, it's a clear attempt to obstruct the keeper.

intellectual dosser · 10-02-2015 10:29AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

The odds are usually stacked against the attacking team on a corner unless there's a complete mismatch in height. A goalkeeper should claim anything too close to goal and a defender can get away with holding and manhandling an attacker.
Professional footballers try to counteract it by looking to deliver the perfect corner. When it doesn't come off it looks sh*t and it won't come off a lot of the time.

Its obviously a difference of opinion, or ethos where both have equal value.

I'd rather get the majority into the box with less 'whizz' just to have a chance at a shot on goal.

At the same time, then why dont we (armchair managers) not play our corners short 100% of the time?

Mantis Toboggan · 10-02-2015 10:29AM

Our corners have been woeful this season, not beating the first defender is unacceptable, especially if it continues throughout the season. Having Jones on the corners was bizarre! Seeing the LVG defenders trying to state otherwise is just cringeworthy.

Will I Amnt · 10-02-2015 10:29AM

It's from a few years back but nothing much has changed since so still a relevant take on corners and how ineffective they generally are.

http://www.soccerbythenumbers.com/2011/05/why-goal-value-of-corners-is-almost.html?m=1

The Moldy Gowl · 10-02-2015 10:29AM

Bangkok, were you not freaking out about jones taking a corner but now are saying you can do them?

The Moldy Gowl · 10-02-2015 10:31AM

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Our corners have been woeful this season, not beating the first defender is unacceptable, especially if it continues throughout the season. Having Jones on the corners was bizarre! Seeing the LVG defenders trying to state otherwise is just cringeworthy.

We jus explained to you it's not exactly simple.

Cop on and take other factors into consideration.

Will I Amnt · 10-02-2015 10:33AM

From another article.

There were 145 goals scored in the World Cup 2010. Of the 627 corner kicks that were attempted, 271 connected with an offensive player (43%). Of those, 9 goals were scored from a corner played into the penalty area resulting in a shot. That’s a ratio of 1 goal scored for every 70 corners taken.

sReq | uTeK · 10-02-2015 10:36AM

bangkok wrote: »

im talking about the best ball to put into the box, at any level. doesn't matter how good the goalkeeper is, if there is enough pace and whip on the ball most keepers in the world will have difficulty dealing with it, and i'm including our very own de gea in that.

also you say a professional keeper will gobble up anything near him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siJQZs2Sbho

that ball was only floated in by Malouda, no pace, whip and it dropped right in the 6 yard box and yet Shay Given was stuck to his line

There is a world of difference in setting up for free kicks taken on the half way line and corners taken.

Good god, think about what you're saying. By your logic you actually believe that if United came and asked you to take corners you would put in a good one 9/10 times. I would bet my house, my bank account and my life that if you took 100 corners for united in a professional setting where players have trained their entire lives to defend it your corners wouldn't amount to jack ****.

Comparing your ball hit into a 6 yard box down the park on a Sunday with 16 overweight players who've been out the night before and can't head a ball to professional players and keepers who would destroy every corner you take is just the height of ignorance and self worth.

I played a game once against Waterford Bohemians, think it was the last 16 of the all Ireland, I was on the bench at the time as I was 2-3 years younger than most, John O Shea was playing that day and scored the winner. To say he looked like Messi compared to the rest of us was not an understatement. This is John O Shea who whilst a very good footballer would not be classed in the same echelons as the premier league elite. The same premier league elite that you state you'd do better than at corners. Believe me when I tell you the difference in Sunday league players compared to John O Shea is WORLDS apart and the difference in John o Shea to world class players is equally as vast.

Kerrydude1981 · 10-02-2015 10:37AM

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/tactics-and-analysis/67/post/2256611/corner-kicks-a-dying-art-in-the-premier-league

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intellectual dosser · 10-02-2015 10:39AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

We jus explained to you it's not exactly simple.

Cop on and take other factors into consideration.

I haven't put them under a microscope, but I don't associate the other top 7 teams with having similar problems with corners/crossing.

Will I Amnt · 10-02-2015 10:44AM

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/tactics-and-analysis/67/post/2256611/corner-kicks-a-dying-art-in-the-premier-league

Interesting that Liverpool have by far the worst goals to corners ratio in the league, what with the best corner taker around whipping them in.

v3ttel · 10-02-2015 10:44AM

Your Airbag wrote: »

https://twitter.com/UtdReport/status/564930516378718208

I hope they are well wide of the mark that we're considering Icardi. A decent player, but an absolutely horrible character.

Maximus Alexander · 10-02-2015 10:46AM

Ah now bangkok, come on, you're embarrassing yourself.

bangkok · 10-02-2015 10:46AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Bangkok, were you not freaking out about jones taking a corner but now are saying you can do them?

jones is a centre back, im a winger

The Moldy Gowl · 10-02-2015 10:46AM

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I haven't put them under a microscope, but I don't associate the other top 7 teams with having similar problems with corners/crossing.

Then you are utterly clueless. Because they all do.

It's not a problem per se. It's a non issue. Corners are ineffective.

Do us all a favour and get stats fr all the teams and corners and you will get very similar low stats.

My original point of this was I was annoyed when people kept bitching about corners when they are a non issue.

bangkok · 10-02-2015 10:47AM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

There is a world of difference in setting up for free kicks taken on the half way line and corners taken.

Good god, think about what you're saying. By your logic you actually believe that if United came and asked you to take corners you would put in a good one 9/10 times. I would be my house, my bank account and my life that if you took 100 corners for united in a professional setting where players have trained their entire lives to defend it your corners wouldn't amount to jack ****.

Comparing your ball hit into a 6 yard box down the park on a Sunday with 16 overweight players who've been out the night before and can't head a ball to professional players and keepers who would destroy every corner you take is just the height of ignorance and self worth.

I played a game once against Waterford Bohemians, think it was the last 16 of the all Ireland, I was on the bench at the time as I was 2-3 years younger than most, John O Shea was playing that day and scored the winner. To say he looked like Messi compared to the rest of us was not an understatement. This is John O Shea who whilst a very good footballer would not be classed in the same echelons as the premier league elite. The same premier league elite that you state you'd do better than at corners. Believe me when I tell you the difference in Sunday league players compared to John O Shea is WORLDS apart and the difference in John o Shea to world class players is equally as vast.

I played a game once v Sweden u21 and started.. beat that

The Moldy Gowl · 10-02-2015 10:49AM

bangkok wrote: »

jones is a centre back, im a winger

Jones is about 100000000000000 million times better than you at playing football.

Bebe is also 1000000000 million times better than you.

You are so deluded and you are trying to place Sunday football into the professional realm.

You're just making a fool out of yourself and losing credibility as a poster if you think you belong on a pro soccer pitch and can do better.

The Moldy Gowl · 10-02-2015 10:50AM

bangkok wrote: »

I played a game once v Sweden u21 and started.. beat that

I think I speak for us all here, proof.

bangkok · 10-02-2015 10:54AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Jones is about 100000000000000 million times better than you at playing football.

Bebe is also 1000000000 million times better than you.

You are so deluded and you are trying to place Sunday football into the professional realm.

You're just making a fool out of yourself and losing credibility as a poster if you think you belong on a pro soccer pitch and can do better.

I was only messing earlier about taking better corners than di maria, hence the smiley face, but sometimes its so frustrating watching him take corners as I took corners/free kicks all my playing time and know I did a decent job doing it as well at a decent level.

Hangballlouie · 10-02-2015 10:55AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Interesting that Liverpool have by far the worst goals to corners ratio in the league, what with the best corner taker around whipping them in.

Those stats don't surprise me tbh.

It is well known we don't have a player to take decent set pieces and we havent for a long time. Point me in the direction of the fan/s who said this so I can mock them.

intellectual dosser · 10-02-2015 10:55AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Then you are utterly clueless. Because they all do.

It's not a problem per se. It's a non issue. Corners are ineffective.

Do us all a favour and get stats fr all the teams and corners and you will get very similar low stats.

My original point of this was I was annoyed when people kept bitching about corners when they are a non issue.

Corners are certainly ineffective when you cant get the ball in the box. It's one man standing on the edge, its not hard to get the ball past him. Curl it around him or lob it over him. If its really impossible then I suppose we better give Christian Ericsson the Balon D'Or now.

World class teams, and in particular world class players, should certainly be able to use corners as a serious weapon.

bangkok · 10-02-2015 10:56AM

Hangball Doughboy wrote: »

Those stats don't surprise me tbh.

It is well known we don't have a player to take decent set pieces and we havent for a long time. Point me in the direction of the fan/s who said this so I can mock them.

gerrard has a world class set piece delivery...you don't think he does?!

The Moldy Gowl · 10-02-2015 10:57AM

intellectual dosser wrote: »

Corners are certainly ineffective when you cant get the ball in the box. It's one man standing on the edge, its not hard to get the ball past him. Curl it around him or lob it over him. If its really impossible then I suppose we better give Christian Ericsson the Balon D'Or now.

World class teams, and in particular world class players, should certainly be able to use corners as a serious weapon.

What if the defender moves?

You know to challenge the ball? Innovative stuff

Will I Amnt · 10-02-2015 10:58AM

Hangball Doughboy wrote: »

Those stats don't surprise me tbh.

It is well known we don't have a player to take decent set pieces and we havent for a long time. Point me in the direction of the fan/s who said this so I can mock them.

Bangkok said it on the last page or 2. Gerrard and Ward-Prowse are the 2 best in the league according to him.

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