Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Lord TSC wrote: »

This would be my stance too.

There is reasons to be concerned, but the reasons are being absolutely blown out of proportions in the worst way possible, and in the process, people weaken their own arguments. Using terms like "worst player in the world" to describe Fifa Team of the Year player DiMaria just makes me roll my eyes, despite the fact there is probably aspects of his game that need improving.

You can make a point without engaging in the most hyperbolic of hyperbole, because when you do, you just come across hysterical and spoiled....

I'm not a 'Fúckin' A' or '+1' type of poster, but for this moment I have to make an exception. Did you rattle the shít out of that wall when you drove the hammer right down on the head of the nail? I'd say the missus/housemates/parents/cat/gimp/whichever near shat themselves!

Seriously though, this completely reflects my mood on this place at the moment. People are entitled to voice concern at some of the clear and present errors in our manager's approach and the player's shakey performances, but it's when "complete spoofer" about a proven successful manager, and "worst player in a United shirt" about a current World player of the year are used, it just gets either irksome or lol-worthy and I switch off. The same point could be made with actual thought-out sentences forming an argument rather than just taking out the sword when there is absolutely no need for it in order to get your concerns across.

The thread really is at some kind of low at the moment. I'm far from a literature snob (I read about 3-4 actual books a year) and really far from a Pulitzer Prize worthy writer myself, but does every negative thing opined from certain areas have to be dragged to the hyperbolic nth degree? It really makes for some dreadful reading, even when there is something there to be upset about.

Consider this; Ashley Young or Marouane Fellaini could come back into the team after an injury and hypothetically go on a 'score and assist' blitz for a moderate run of games. I guarantee there would not be one poster in here suddenly touting them as among the greatest to ever wear the red. Past form would leave them with a lot to prove, despite recent notable improvements and now the hypothetical goal blitz.

Well Di Maria and Falcao have come into this club as proven as they come, true World-beaters. They have done a bit since joining, albeit not nearly enough I know. Di Maria is coming back from injury and it wasn't his first injury this season. Likewise with Falcao. As well as that, LVG is playing Di Maria mainly out of position. When he was played in a favoured CM position earlier in the season it was without doubt his brightest and most 'Di Maria-like' patch in the red so far. Going off a bit there, but my point being that players who were previously disappointing won't be touted as World-beaters after a sudden temporary run of good form, it would be madness to to suggest it. Just like it is madness to suggest that Angel DiMaria is somebody to flog to PSG for 40m in the summer after a bad run of form intertwined with injuries. That is so short-sighted, pure madness.

bangkok wrote: »

well watching the game yesterday, di maria pulled out of 2 challenges, blind pulled out of 2 challenges, they are ones I can remember off the top of my head.

This is not something I like to see at all normally, but I could be swayed to give these 2 in particular a pass at this moment, and just this moment. It is often said that the E.P.L. is the most physical of the big leagues, but do many of the people who say it actually think what the words mean? It is dog rough in some of those games. There was a game last season I think it was, could have been Stoke away, and I was genuinely worried for some of our players out there. A few of them were getting chopped to the ground repeatedly and I remember RVP in particular looking like someone stumbling out of a warzone after a succession of challenges. Bone crunching, physical league.

Blind and Di Maria are in their 1st season in the E.P.L. and in my mind are still adjusting to this 'physicality', other times resembling assault (now that's hyperbole!) Having just recently come back from injury, and not the first either of them suffered in this their 1st E.P.L. season, I can give Di Maria and Blind a pass for pulling out of one or 2 potential nasty collisions. However this 'pass' only lasts so long. Di Maria in particular could do with bulking up a little, and maybe making the odd hard challenge himself to show that he won't just run around and take it without giving some back.

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Please, please, please if you are reading this mr van gaal, start with this team

This, and all the other team line-ups featuring Herrera, including my own if I could be bothered to post it (I'm at the point now where I think LVG prints them out and uses them to wipe the tears of laughter from his rosey cheeks) - Herrera to start is not going to happen, we have to stop doing it to ourselves!

Never mind starting Herrera, there have been umpteen opportunities to give him gametime from the bench and if it was simply a case of not doing enough in training, he should still get minutes based on the fact that when played, he is usually a far more creative force than most others in the team. That coupled with LVG making 3 subs at a time on a few occasions. It's baffling and hard to watch.

Lord TSC wrote: »

Some press saying that Real are turning their attentions to Courtois as they think De Gea is staying put

Seen that alright, and thought "Excellent choice RM, Courtois is the real deal and would be a stellar purchase. Our DDG is only going through a golden patch, will be found out soon, nothing to see here, good luck with Courtois you lucky guys, we are like so jealous." :pac:

I would love for once if RM and Barca would fúck off and stop poaching many of the Premier League's best players. Not just players from United, but Bale at Tottenham, probably Kane if he stays on the up. I know the players make their own decisions, but the pursuit can be relentless and the money offered unmatchable by their current club. Whatever happened to the unforgivable 'tapping-up'? Would love to see Kane at Spurs for a few years yet, unless he surpasses himself and wants to become a United player of course!