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PhlegmyMoses · 09-02-2015 12:48AM

gosplan wrote: »

I'd be very surprised if he looks at anything beyond playing squad and budget.

And when he took the Chelsea job, United were league champions and had a huge budget.

thelad95 · 09-02-2015 01:08AM

Mourinho wanted the United job. Why do you think he was sucking up to Fergie around the Madrid game that season?

The guy is a poison though. Look at his antics last season especially in the Villa, Sunderland and the slip game. When his time at Chelsea ends again, it will be him bowing out disgracefully as usual.

Not appointing Mourinho wasn't the biggest mistake the club ever made. Appointing Moyes was the biggest mistake the club ever made.

Lukker- · 09-02-2015 01:19AM

thelad95 wrote: »

Mourinho wanted the United job. Why do you think he was sucking up to Fergie around the Madrid game that season?

The guy is a poison though. Look at his antics last season especially in the Villa, Sunderland and the slip game. When his time at Chelsea ends again, it will be him bowing out disgracefully as usual.

Not appointing Mourinho wasn't the biggest mistake the club ever made. Appointing Moyes was the biggest mistake the club ever made.

His antics are no worse than Fergie's were.

MythicalMadMan · 09-02-2015 01:22AM

Lukker- wrote: »

His antics are no worse than Fergie's were.

Ah in fairness he is a bit worse maybe not the media stuff but some of the stuff he has done on the sidelines fergie never would have, like the early handshake thing.

John Cherry · 09-02-2015 01:22AM

newballsplease wrote: »

Some good news!! DeGea agent

"It is not true that De Gea has found a deal with Real Madrid. I'm negotiating with Manchester United his extension"-Mendes to CadenaSer

I won't believe it till I see seem pen in hand and signing the contract on MUTV.

thelad95 · 09-02-2015 01:30AM

Lukker- wrote: »

His antics are no worse than Fergie's were.

What were Fergies antics? For the most part all he ever did was point at his watch.

Fergie would never have done what Jose did at Anfield.

PhlegmyMoses · 09-02-2015 01:31AM

Lukker- wrote: »

His antics are no worse than Fergie's were.

The whole eye-poking thing was as low as it gets, but to paint Fergie as a saint is folly as well. He took our major shareholders at the time to court on a whim ffs.

09-02-2015 01:33AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

And when he took the Chelsea job, United were league champions and had a huge budget.

And when he took the Chelsea job, United had already named Moyes as first choice successor to Fergie a month earlier.

Not that it matters, but I personally thought he was grooming himself for replacing Sir Alex in those final few months. His comments and demeanor in the post-match interview the night his Real Madrid put us out of the C.L. in March 2013 were bizarre. He seemed forlorn, and stated himself something like "the better team have been eliminated tonight."

Now I am not for one minute suggesting that he was unhappy that his team won and progressed in the C.L., rather that he was careful with his words and showed great respect to our club. This is just one example of him doing this that I can remember, but there are other times when Jose could have put the boot in like he does in many pre/post-match interviews with various other teams, but for whatever reason chose not to with us. It is quite possible that Mourinho knew about Ferguson's retirement when he gave that post-match interview, since he said in June 2013 "I knew many months ago that Sir Alex was retiring".

Whether it is his enormous admiration for Sir Alex, respect for our club, or a little bit of both, I think Jose has actively tried to remain popular through United eyes, at least up until Moyes was appointed. I believe if he had been offered the job at Old Trafford back then he would have taken it. For me, the fact that he didn't end up there means it wasn't offered. Snubbing Chelsea wouldn't have come into it as the United offer would have been made privately to him as early as February.

I reckon the new challenge at one of the biggest clubs in the world in United, having already done it all with some of other 'biggest clubs' around, would have been something he'd have jumped at. For whatever reason though, it wasn't to be and he is currently where he belongs.

I would have taken him though. No question about it, our 2013/14 season would have been a completely different story if he was Fergie's immediate successor.

The Moldy Gowl · 09-02-2015 01:37AM

Maybe Jose already knew fergie was leaving as he had already turned down the job?

Explains him at the Madrid match and just showing fergie some respect because it would be his last European game?

Spazdarn · 09-02-2015 01:41AM

Fergie got up to plenty back in his day, so don't think Mourinho would be any different... my only issue with Mourinho is he never seems to stay long.

Spazdarn · 09-02-2015 01:44AM

stankratz wrote: »

And when he took the Chelsea job, United had already named Moyes as first choice successor to Fergie a month earlier.

Not that it matters, but I personally thought he was grooming himself for replacing Sir Alex in those final few months. His comments and demeanor in the post-match interview the night his Real Madrid put us out of the C.L. in March 2013 were bizarre. He seemed forlorn, and stated himself something like "the better team have been eliminated tonight."

Now I am not for one minute suggesting that he was unhappy that his team won and progressed in the C.L., rather that he was careful with his words and showed great respect to our club. This is just one example of him doing this that I can remember, but there are other times when Jose could have put the boot in like he does in many pre/post-match interviews with various other teams, but for whatever reason chose not to with us. It is quite possible that Mourinho knew about Ferguson's retirement when he gave that post-match interview, since he said in June 2013 "I knew many months ago that Sir Alex was retiring".

Whether it is his enormous admiration for Sir Alex, respect for our club, or a little bit of both, I think Jose has actively tried to remain popular through United eyes, at least up until Moyes was appointed. I believe if he had been offered the job at Old Trafford back then he would have taken it. For me, the fact that he didn't end up there means it wasn't offered. Snubbing Chelsea wouldn't have come into it as the United offer would have been made privately to him as early as February.

I reckon the new challenge at one of the biggest clubs in the world in United, having already done it all with some of other 'biggest clubs' around, would have been something he'd have jumped at. For whatever reason though, it wasn't to be and he is currently where he belongs.

I would have taken him though. No question about it, our 2013/14 season would have been a completely different story if he was Fergie's immediate successor.

I think Mourinho was one of the rare few around with the ego to think he could take over from Fergie and possibly better him.

09-02-2015 01:47AM

Spazdarn wrote: »

I think Mourinho was one of the rare few around with the ego to think he could take over from Fergie and possibly better him.

We could have done with a dose of ego last year, rather than new Ipads.

UDAWINNER · 09-02-2015 01:52AM

LVG won't be sticking around long either if these performances continue, a draw against west ham might be considered by some a good result but not for man utd. We really haven't improved that last season which is ridicolous considering the money that was spent and the continued picking of rooney in midfield is bizarre. I was confident of top 4 about 6 weeks ago, not so much now if we cannot win away from from home.

irishfeen · 09-02-2015 01:59AM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

LVG won't be sticking around long either if these performances continue, a draw against west ham might be considered by some a good result but not for man utd. We really haven't improved that last season which is ridicolous considering the money that was spent and the continued picking of rooney in midfield is bizarre. I was confident of top 4 about 6 weeks ago, not so much now if we cannot win away from from home.

4 points better off!

The_Kew_Tour · 09-02-2015 02:01AM

Its the lack of chances that is very worrying. Our efforts all seem be coming outside the box far too often.

We have the players to piss Top 4, but we are doing our best to piss it away.

fuzzydunlop85 · 09-02-2015 02:06AM

Di Maria was shocking today(again), would be delighted if we could get 40 mill for him of PSG in the summer.

irishfeen · 09-02-2015 02:06AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Its the lack of chances that is very worrying. Our efforts all seem be coming outside the box far too often.

We have the players to piss Top 4, but we are doing our best to piss it away.

Looking at our fixtures I am worried - if we don't get our act together and fast .. It not necessarily this result but our performances of late are desperately worrying.

Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and to a letter extent Southamption are playing some lovely stuff lately - we are probably still favourites but we could very easily fall outside over the next 14 games.

irishfeen · 09-02-2015 02:09AM

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Di Maria was shocking today(again), would be delighted if we could get 40 mill for him of PSG in the summer.

Ah here now - let's not do anything rash FFS..

The_Kew_Tour · 09-02-2015 02:17AM

irishfeen wrote: »

Looking at our fixtures I am worried - if we don't get our act together and fast .. It not necessarily this result but our performances of late are desperately worrying.

Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal and to a letter extent Southamption are playing some lovely stuff lately - we are probably still favourites but we could very easily fall outside over the next 14 games.

That's why dropping points today is worrying.

Fair enough over the season you are always going drop points in winnable games. At least in 7-8 matches over season too. Every team drops silly points. But we have reached our quota already in that regard now or very close.

A goal in last minute should not change that .

No need for a panic button just yet though. We are still in decent position, European games are around corner for our rivals and we are still in cup.

Plenty to play for, we need to spice it up from Midfield onwards and the faster the better.

fuzzydunlop85 · 09-02-2015 02:18AM

irishfeen wrote: »

Ah here now - let's not do anything rash FFS..

Doesn't seem arsed at all, not interested in putting his foot in at all which is a worrying sign. Pussied out of at least 3 50/50's that immediately spring to mind, probably more. We would have been better of keeping nani who can at least cross the ball, Di Maria seems to hit the first man every time.

NIMAN · 09-02-2015 02:20AM

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Di Maria was shocking today(again), would be delighted if we could get 40 mill for him of PSG in the summer.

Maybe its not his fault?

You don't become a bad player over the space of a few months. I think the tactics he's playing under might be the cause.

The Moldy Gowl · 09-02-2015 02:22AM

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Doesn't seem arsed at all, not interested in putting his foot in at all which is a worrying sign. Pussied out of at least 3 50/50's that immediately spring to mind, probably more. We would have been better of keeping nani who can at least cross the ball, Di Maria seems to hit the first man every time.

Dat knee jerk reaction doe

The_Kew_Tour · 09-02-2015 02:22AM

Rooney and Di Maria both look lost at minute

I really don't think they are the problem though.

09-02-2015 02:25AM

UDAWINNER wrote: »

LVG won't be sticking around long either if these performances continue, a draw against west ham might be considered by some a good result but not for man utd. We really haven't improved that last season which is ridicolous considering the money that was spent and the continued picking of rooney in midfield is bizarre. I was confident of top 4 about 6 weeks ago, not so much now if we cannot win away from from home.

The typo here might be giving me the wrong understanding of what you meant, but if you did mean to type "We really haven't improved from last season", well then I highly, highly disagree with that. It's true that we're not playing anywhere near the level we should be with what we have, but we have improved greatly on last season. People who think otherwise have very short memories.

There are other points from your post that I agree with, but I've been seeing this "We haven't improved from last season" pop up a few times recently and had to throw in my 2 cents.

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Di Maria was shocking today(again), would be delighted if we could get 40 mill for him of PSG in the summer.

Ah jaysus.

fuzzydunlop85 · 09-02-2015 02:26AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Dat knee jerk reaction doe

He's been woeful since he came back from injury and was hardly pullin up trees before that either bar a couple of decent games against dross at home like QPR, for 60fkin mill we should be expecting a bit more.

MythicalMadMan · 09-02-2015 02:31AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Rooney and Di Maria both look lost at minute

I really don't think they are the problem though.

They are the problem but its not their fault, stop playing Rooney in midfield and get di Maria into some space where he can use his best attributes like dribbling and crossing.

I'd never wish an injury on any of our players but if it happened to one of our strikers itd solve this rooney mess and maybe itd be done with then.

fuzzydunlop85 · 09-02-2015 02:31AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Maybe its not his fault?

You don't become a bad player over the space of a few months. I think the tactics he's playing under might be the cause.

Can hardly blame tactics for pussying out of tackles, taking brutal set pieces, getting pushed off the ball far too easily, running the ball down blind alleys , dire crosses etc etc, its his general attitude that's pissing me off most though. At least falcao is showing some heart.

MythicalMadMan · 09-02-2015 02:48AM

fuzzydunlop85 wrote: »

Can hardly blame tactics for pussying out of tackles, taking brutal set pieces, getting pushed off the ball far too easily, running the ball down blind alleys , dire crosses etc etc, its his general attitude that's pissing me off most though. At least falcao is showing some heart.

He's also only human which we do forget some times, adapting to a new league and a new lifestyle can be hard for some people, it was said earlier his house was broken into while his family where in it and they are now living in a hotel so I'd give him some slack.

He absolutely destroyed germany in a friendly after the world cup so he has the talent no doubt. I'd say this time next season we will be singing his praises. Look what a year adjustment did for Fellaini totally changed player from last season.

J. Marston · 09-02-2015 03:38AM

http://giant.gfycat.com/CooperativeFluffyDamselfly.gif

Shaw and Rooney's reactions are almost identical when the ball goes in. Freaky.

Giggsy11 · 09-02-2015 07:36AM

Again Van Gaal moans about balance but starts the team that is very much the definition of unbalanced.

Starts with 2 pure 9s who are not comfortable dropping deep and lacks pace.
Plays Rooney in the midfield when Herrera and Fellaini on the bench.

Plays midfield of Di Maria, Blind and Januzaj away to West Ham, one of the most physical team in the league and a tough away ground when Fellaini would have been ideal.

Now watch him play Fellaini at Old trafford against Burnley when it would be game for Januzaj, Di Maria and Mata to shine.

Herrera has played well in the midfield but can't buy a min anymore.

Rafael was back from injury long back and played for reserves last week, now he is playing without protective mask but still Valencia plays as RB.

Smalling and Rojo proved to be decent option but somehow Jones always plays ahead of Smalling.

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