Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 · 05-02-2015 05:34PM

hUntilm.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/aidan-walsh-ends-cork-dual-days-as-he-ponders-2015-allegiance-30644025.html

You make one good point we have agreed disagree that I agree with

My last point on this
Hopefully this will help you see not jusr my opinion but actually aidan Walsh

Don't read start where says until all Ireland series really dualism affected him but go down and read all piece as clear as day absolutely crystal clear he said trsriimg limited time he had up kerry and tipp couldn't start and affected yes aidan Walsh said it ability improve kick outs and runs and so you will I think see my point Halloron was half problem v tipp and kerry only

Tipp was actually worse as was replacement walsh started not able make runs and cork no effective midfield stability all year so blame ken you like but clear as day from interview he had NO SUPPORT LIKE EVERY OTHER INTERCOUNTY GOALIE IN COUNTRY last year by having no one aim at thus thar he had time actually train with and until he does then I would blame not ken totally and use him unfairly scapegoat cork shambles midfield issues

This year cork midfield are actually training together more but there no bar young Maguire learning trade viable options at midfield and if he gets injured god help cork if thry think cussen will make runs for kick outs

Monaghan as meehan said physically big so imo huge worries if gould is struggling as Collins superb player by absolutely dominated air v monaghan

You have view drop ken without giving me better alternative

I suggest cork fix problem that actually can be solved imo by having sean dinnen and laoire on the panel

thinkstoomuch1 · 05-02-2015 05:37PM

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/aidan-walsh-ends-cork-dual-days-as-he-ponders-2015-allegiance-30644025.html

Just to add if kate kirby I doubt as great as I think she is could actually solved problems aidan Walsh clearly mentioned here if she was in place last year do so as she'd doesn't do coaching drills ot close to it or in anyway facilities for the actual non limited game time walsh had with he'd keeper

Is there some one blame

Yes course management for thinking dualism would worked and failure have adequate back up midfield as cover

commonsense. · 05-02-2015 06:14PM

Hurleratheart wrote:

I heard its ongoing and so far it's upheld. 2 match ban and appeal rejected by Munster counsell and Croke park - thurles taking it further to DRA

Hurleratheart wrote:

What the hell did he do anyway?

Hurleratheart wrote:

Tough on the young fella but I'd fear a backlash now against Rochestown ecpecially when sanction against other cork team - conpirasiry theory's

Hurleratheart wrote:

Tipp crowd could make it into crusade

Tks for update. For his sake I hope he's cleared to play.

thinkstoomuch1 · 05-02-2015 06:16PM

http://www.the42.ie/it-sligo-queens-university-1922675-Feb2015/

Good news in way ucc but at the same time actually benefits game now long lay off semi final

CORKDOUBLE · 05-02-2015 06:32PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.the42.ie/it-sligo-queens-university-1922675-Feb2015/

Good news in way ucc but at the same time actually benefits game now long lay off semi final

I suppose good news for Cork lads can now play against Monaghan and be out next Wednesday...a break of sorts for MaGuire, O Driscoll, Dorman etc...

thinkstoomuch1 · 05-02-2015 06:54PM

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/2015/02/05/hurlers-name-five-new-boys-in-league-squad/

Football named tonight and imo will be key signal thry did make realistic view every game on own merits something not done last year

Dublin game the best way think we could just easily lost so imo must make few changes

My team for the game
Ken
Shields
Cadogan
Sullivan
Dorman Clancy loughrey
O rourke maguire
Collins
Donnacha fit
Brian nit colm driscoll
Colm
Hurley
Kerrigan drop deep and use pace against slow monaghan defence and have sole job of marking dessie Moyne who two points last week and attacking threat centre back but you have kerrigan on him he curb he's pace and when Moyne attacks doc sit in pocket so fast ball up doc open space creative fast ball two man full forward line

This will be extremely physical so nice footballer won't work up here imo

Richmond Ultra · 05-02-2015 07:39PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.the42.ie/it-sligo-queens-university-1922675-Feb2015/

Good news in way ucc but at the same time actually benefits game now long lay off semi final

As predicted a few days ago.

thinkstoomuch1 · 05-02-2015 09:28PM

Richmond Ultra wrote: »

As predicted a few days ago.

You were bang on

Thanks for the news before it broke

thinkstoomuch1 · 05-02-2015 09:35PM

CORK V MONAGHAN - ALLIANZ FOOTBALL LEAGUE SUNDAY 8TH FEB 04/02/2015

Cork v Monaghan - Allianz Football League Sunday 8th February
Following on from their victory over Dublin, the Cork Senior Footballers travel to Castleblaney to play Monaghan in Round 2 of the Allianz Football League on Sunday.
Game: Cork v Monaghan
Date: Sunday 8th February 2015 at 2:00 p.m.
Venue: Castleblaney
Referee: Fergal Kelly (Longford)
We'll have live updates from the game here on the website and on our Twitter page, @OfficialCorkGAA.
Nothing Beats Being There. All The Way.

Tickets available for this game at gaa.ie

The Cork Team will line out as follows:
1. Ken O'Halloran
2. Tomás Clancy
3. Tom Clancy
4. James Loughrey

5. Conor Dorman
6. Eoin Cadogan
7. Brian O'Driscoll

8. Fintan Goold
9. Ian Maguire

10. Mark Collins
11. Donnacha O'Connor
12. Colm O'Driscoll

13. Colm O'Neill
14. Paul Kerrigan
15. Brian Hurley

Subs:
16. Michael Martin
17. Jamie O'Sullivan
18. Daniel Hazel
19. Stephen O'Donoghue
20. Michael Cussen
21. Donal Óg Hodnett
22. Luke Connelly
23. John Hayes
24. John O'Rourke
25. Barry O'Driscoll
26. Kevin O’Driscoll

Conor Dorman and Paul Kerrigan start this week having been drafted in to action last week-end. Patrick Kelly, Daniel Goulding and Noel Galvin are]

Hsnahran must be injured but if not not uge suprised martin is ahead him in he's firm dhsnahran as said dropped but I think be young to start martin just yet

I'm worried about team I'm in don't think lesson learned at all from last week as that full back line has three unnatural full backs and even if likes cadogan goes back cork still have imo too half backs playing corner

Forwards imo will struggle to get enough ball but also defence be under huge pressure I fear

I really love and hope be wrong

Gary Neville · 05-02-2015 10:51PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

CORK V MONAGHAN - ALLIANZ FOOTBALL LEAGUE SUNDAY 8TH FEB 04/02/2015

Cork v Monaghan - Allianz Football League Sunday 8th February
Following on from their victory over Dublin, the Cork Senior Footballers travel to Castleblaney to play Monaghan in Round 2 of the Allianz Football League on Sunday.
Game: Cork v Monaghan
Date: Sunday 8th February 2015 at 2:00 p.m.
Venue: Castleblaney
Referee: Fergal Kelly (Longford)
We'll have live updates from the game here on the website and on our Twitter page, @OfficialCorkGAA.
Nothing Beats Being There. All The Way.

Tickets available for this game at gaa.ie

The Cork Team will line out as follows:
1. Ken O'Halloran
2. Tomás Clancy
3. Tom Clancy
4. James Loughrey

5. Conor Dorman
6. Eoin Cadogan
7. Brian O'Driscoll

8. Fintan Goold
9. Ian Maguire

10. Mark Collins
11. Donnacha O'Connor
12. Colm O'Driscoll

13. Colm O'Neill
14. Paul Kerrigan
15. Brian Hurley

Subs:
16. Michael Martin
17. Jamie O'Sullivan
18. Daniel Hazel
19. Stephen O'Donoghue
20. Michael Cussen
21. Donal Óg Hodnett
22. Luke Connelly
23. John Hayes
24. John O'Rourke
25. Barry O'Driscoll
26. Kevin O’Driscoll

Conor Dorman and Paul Kerrigan start this week having been drafted in to action last week-end. Patrick Kelly, Daniel Goulding and Noel Galvin are]

Hsnahran must be injured but if not not uge suprised martin is ahead him in he's firm dhsnahran as said dropped but I think be young to start martin just yet

I'm worried about team I'm in don't think lesson learned at all from last week as that full back line has three unnatural full backs and even if likes cadogan goes back cork still have imo too half backs playing corner

Forwards imo will struggle to get enough ball but also defence be under huge pressure I fear

I really love and hope be wrong

Are u heading up, TTM ?

thinkstoomuch1 · 05-02-2015 11:16PM

Gary Neville wrote: »

Are u heading up, TTM ?

Not sure be honest long way up if do day trip probably
Lot gaa games coming up hard say ones choose

Harty cup two weeks abs Fitzgibbon cup during week plus hurling kilkenny very hard choose from and course corn mhuir this week

Ladies are also playing in ckoughdiv v Kerry
Id love go more ladies game always clash with men

U going Gary?
What u make team named

CORKDOUBLE · 05-02-2015 11:17PM

We are missing David Hanrahan, Michael Sheilds, Noel Galvin, Paddy Kelly , Daniel Goulding, Kevin Crowley, Cathal Vaughan, Ruairi Deane, Sean Kiely, Stephen Cronin.....for sunday....... Whats the story with Mark Sugrue and Alan Cronin ? John O Rourke very unlucky not to be playing ...it looks like they are trying to go with a more settled team this year allowing for some players who are out of position...In the hurling squad what age is Brian O Sullivan of Fermoy ?

thinkstoomuch1 · 05-02-2015 11:32PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

We are missing David Hanrahan, Michael Sheilds, Noel Galvin, Paddy Kelly , Daniel Goulding, Kevin Crowley, Cathal Vaughan, Ruairi Deane, Sean Kiely, Stephen Cronin.....for sunday....... Whats the story with Mark Sugrue and Alan Cronin ? John O Rourke very unlucky not to be playing ...it looks like they are trying to go with a more settled team this year allowing for some players who are out of position...In the hurling squad what age is Brian O Sullivan of Fermoy ?

Vaughan Kelly Goulding Kiely for different reasons are not losses imo as replacement or else too young are better or Kiely case too young partnership with maguire, galvin shields exception

O rourke omissions is baffling as got two points something o driscoll did not

Like I said before team thar actually started last week was imo mainly by default in cuthbhert wouldn't picked them but injuries forced changes

And cadogan likely played centre as with Clancy back I can't see cadogan at full

Huge imo selection worries still

Subs bench has no real bar Sullivan corner back cover
Hazel and cussen Kevin o driscoll and barry o driscoll imo are not game changing subs either

commonsense. · 05-02-2015 11:40PM

CORKDOUBLE wrote:

..In the hurling squad what age is Brian O Sullivan of Fermoy ?

24

Gary Neville · 05-02-2015 11:59PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Not sure be honest long way up if do day trip probably
Lot gaa games coming up hard say ones choose

Harty cup two weeks abs Fitzgibbon cup during week plus hurling kilkenny very hard choose from and course corn mhuir this week

Ladies are also playing in ckoughdiv v Kerry
Id love go more ladies game always clash with men

U going Gary?
What u make team named

Nah - I go to all home games and all c/ship but the 4 Northern games are too far. 9 hours driving.

I can't really fault the team. He's being forced to play HB's in the FB line but with Shields and Galvin out - not much choice. I'd like to see S Cronin in the panel as we are short defenders - Jamie is OK thank God - looked to be out for a while.

Like you, I'm surprised O Rourke is dropped - got 2 great scores and made 1 or 2. But Donncha had to come in and maybe Kerrigan is a tactical choice - he looked lively the last day. There are so many good forwards that someone will always be disappointed. I know u rate O Rourke ahead of COD but I can understand COD's inclusion as he will work his socks off and we will go very defensive to match Monaghan. Glad to see Tomas in - looks like Cuthbert is taking a few things on board - maybe things won't be too bad yet. I can't help myself - I always get hopeful and then get dashed.

This is a great game for us as they will be at pterry much full strength and Clerkin is a v good manager.

thinkstoomuch1 · 06-02-2015 12:18AM

Gary Neville wrote: »

Nah - I go to all home games and all c/ship but the 4 Northern games are too far. 9 hours driving.

I can't really fault the team. He's being forced to play HB's in the FB line but with Shields and Galvin out - not much choice. I'd like to see S Cronin in the panel as we are short defenders - Jamie is OK thank God - looked to be out for a while.

Like you, I'm surprised O Rourke is dropped - got 2 great scores and made 1 or 2. But Donncha had to come in and maybe Kerrigan is a tactical choice - he looked lively the last day. There are so many good forwards that someone will always be disappointed. I know u rate O Rourke ahead of COD but I can understand COD's inclusion as he will work his socks off and we will go very defensive to match Monaghan. Glad to see Tomas in - looks like Cuthbert is taking a few things on board - maybe things won't be too bad yet. I can't help myself - I always get hopeful and then get dashed.

This is a great game for us as they will be at pterry much full strength and Clerkin is a v good manager.

I'd agree with some that

Clerk is not manager but malachi o rourke

No excuses for full back line I'm sorry now

Cadogan can play three and then Sullivan starts

Cuthbhert said last year doesn't rate o rourke and like said deane same boat when picked won't get imp many games

wackokid · 06-02-2015 12:37AM

Colm O Driscoll is the best asset this team has and he can't be expected to score much while keeping Jack McCaffrey in check for the whole match and never let him out of his sight. Had the pace to stay with one of the quickest players in Ireland and the tenacity to blunt his undoubted talent. He was instrumental in Cork winning the U21 title in '09 and the Junior title two years ago. It should also be remembered that he was back defending with Cadogan and Loughrey to smother McManamon when the Dubs were pressing hard in the 2nd half. A jewel. end of.

Gary Neville · 06-02-2015 12:47AM

wackokid wrote: »

Colm O Driscoll is the best asset this team has and he can't be expected to score much while keeping Jack McCaffrey in check for the whole match and never let him out of his sight. Had the pace to stay with one of the quickest players in Ireland and the tenacity to blunt his undoubted talent. He was instrumental in Cork winning the U21 title in '09 and the Junior title two years ago. It should also be remembered that he was back defending with Cadogan and Loughrey to smother McManamon when the Dubs were pressing hard in the 2nd half. A jewel. end of.

I'm with you on this Wackokid. He'd be one of the first names on my team sheet. Never wastes a ball. He's our Wee Brian Dooher.

thinkstoomuch1 · 06-02-2015 12:48AM

wackokid wrote: »

Colm O Driscoll is the best asset this team has and he can't be expected to score much while keeping Jack McCaffrey in check for the whole match and never let him out of his sight. Had the pace to stay with one of the quickest players in Ireland and the tenacity to blunt his undoubted talent. He was instrumental in Cork winning the U21 title in '09 and the Junior title two years ago. It should also be remembered that he was back defending with Cadogan and Loughrey to smother McManamon when the Dubs were pressing hard in the 2nd half. A jewel. end of.

Best assest cork have???

I have ti disaggre

seriously o rourke every but as dogmatic ans tough but can creative and kick scores

I would say watch mayo game last year and I think you will reevaluate colm driscoll best we have as he was blown out of it by mayo ans turnover after turnover like riche macaw turning over robbie diack if they ever met

Huge drive and commitment ans has balls steel I agree lor admire bur he's not great footballer and mayo proved that physical stakes had he's number

Paul flynn Dublin is dogmatic warrior bur footballer
Cork must strive for that
John o rourke is the answer

Wouldn't say he was stand out v down under twenty ones yes got goal but many outstanding players that team o driscoll got goal but didn't carry cork
Big games driscoll can't start
In fact Brian brother ten times player he is and could play with rourke midfield

O rourke is your brave hearts Mel Gibson but the beauty in football like tom Cruise is ti women in all in one he's both imo steel inside but guile cohesion fluency awesmoric feet like a ballerina and an football instinct thar spatial awareness that colm unfortunately doesn't have senior elite football imo

thinkstoomuch1 · 06-02-2015 12:54AM

Gary Neville wrote: »

I'm with you on this Wackokid. He'd be one of the first names on my team sheet. Never wastes a ball. He's our Wee Brian Dooher.

You either dont rate dooher very highly or over rate colm

Dooher outstanding scorer from distance something colm is not big games
Brother Brian better

Now I'd some one can show me conclusive scoring evidence of he's scöing in big games I will as colm o rourke once saud when didn't rate dooher and said I'd Tyrone won all Ireland with him then I'd eat my hat off if cork win all Ireland colm driscoll starting at ten imo

O rourke was wrong of course so there a possibility I could be but I seen nothing suggest colm haa it

thinkstoomuch1 · 06-02-2015 12:57AM

Sean mac what you make team Sunday and cork chances
Your good man with a no holds barrel assessment that call a spade a spade

thinkstoomuch1 · 06-02-2015 01:04AM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Barry played full back with Corry and Andrew Ryan from Toomevara in the corners. Stapleton, Meagher, English half backs. Kennedy and Maher centre field. Reidy, Hannon and Donovan on the 40. O' Meara, Corry and Cahill inside. Mike Brown from Ballyhea was in goal.

Barry had very little to deal with in fairness but was solid. Nearly gave away a goal with some slack following a quick puckout in the first half but recovered well, Had a strong second half alright as he was allowed drift out a little. Still think he's a half back but did well today. Slim to no chance of him moving to wing back for Mary I or Cork.

Another posted this in Fitzgibbon thread

Barry out position still paying well

Ten times imo better player than Sullivan

Outstanding dogmatic warrior that's really aggression hurling good striking and great delivery
Sullivan too light old school cork wrist type hurling imo lack aggression in hurling
Just twenty one much better potential than Sullivan at twenty four imo

Gary Neville · 06-02-2015 01:11AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

You either dont rate dooher very highly or over rate colm

Dooher outstanding scorer from distance something colm is not big games
Brother Brian better

Now I'd some one can show me conclusive scoring evidence of he's scöing in big games I will as colm o rourke once saud when didn't rate dooher and said I'd Tyrone won all Ireland with him then I'd eat my hat off if cork win all Ireland colm driscoll starting at ten imo

O rourke was wrong of course so there a possibility I could be but I seen nothing suggest colm haa it

Definately not a stylish footballer and not a scorer but best worker in team. He suits the sweeper role - I'd love to see his stats - I'd say no one covers more ground.

Looks as if Cuthbert rates him too - interesting to see how he goes - Willie Wonka may have to get u a chocolate hat.

I do rate O Rourke - I thought he was really good on Sun - scored with both feet and then laid on a peach of a pass for a Hurley pt - COD couldn't do those kind of things but he gets there for sheer will power. I can see ur pt however.

wackokid · 06-02-2015 01:54AM

For the 1st time in his life............TTM is wrong. lol

thinkstoomuch1 · 06-02-2015 01:58AM

wackokid wrote: »

For the 1st time in his life............TTM is wrong. lol

I'd love be with driscoll but time will tell
Needs score more so huge concerns as creative guile and fluency play is worry

League I fear comfort zone

Deco99 · 06-02-2015 10:08AM

wackokid wrote: »

For the 1st time in his life............TTM is wrong. lol

On what? O'Driscoll? Id prefer O'Rourke and wouldn't play him. End of.

Gary Neville · 06-02-2015 10:26AM

Deco99 wrote: »

On what? O'Driscoll? Id prefer O'Rourke and wouldn't play him. End of.

I have been critical of Cuthbert but this debate shows how many difficult decisions he has to make.

So far, Collins and COD have been key figures in the defensive plan that we implemented after the Munster Final. COD will work tirelessly and track opposing defenders - he will close down short kicks and get back to defend. He is very effective at the swarm defending that we are trying to perfect.

O Rourke is a far more classy footballer - he can score off either foot, from distance and is also a great worker. It must have been very hard for Cuthbert to drop him him after a great display v Dublin but obviously Cuthbert sees the Monaghan game as the ideal platform to test the 2 sweeper system - I can see his logic.

I hope this has been explained to O Rourke as if I were him, I'd be gutted.

The reality is that we are looking at different types of player and different styles - I'm not sure you can say one player is better than the other. Perhaps you can say one fits a particular system better.

It will be very interesting to see how this develops and I want to be there when TTM eats his hat.

wackokid · 06-02-2015 10:27AM

Deco99 wrote: »

On what? O'Driscoll? Id prefer O'Rourke and wouldn't play him. End of.

Good lad.

CORKDOUBLE · 06-02-2015 10:53AM

As a footballer John O Rourke is better than Colm O Driscoll.....John O can score with both feet his kickpassing is better and is as tough as nails ....but Colm adds a lot too I saw him last sunday take and give hits bigtime for the team stuff that will not win him any allstars or motm awards...to be fair to him he has the Brian Cody attidude "you don't die for the cause ,you kill for the cause ".....can both start on the team ? not sure I would still pick John O no doubt but Colm is very important as well.

thinkstoomuch1 · 06-02-2015 12:34PM

Gary Neville wrote: »

I have been critical of Cuthbert but this debate shows how many difficult decisions he has to make.

So far, Collins and COD have been key figures in the defensive plan that we implemented after the Munster Final. COD will work tirelessly and track opposing defenders - he will close down short kicks and get back to defend. He is very effective at the swarm defending that we are trying to perfect.

O Rourke is a far more classy footballer - he can score off either foot, from distance and is also a great worker. It must have been very hard for Cuthbert to drop him him after a great display v Dublin but obviously Cuthbert sees the Monaghan game as the ideal platform to test the 2 sweeper system - I can see his logic.

I hope this has been explained to O Rourke as if I were him, I'd be gutted.

The reality is that we are looking at different types of player and different styles - I'm not sure you can say one player is better than the other. Perhaps you can say one fits a particular system better.

It will be very interesting to see how this develops and I want to be there when TTM eats his hat.

H's ha

I don't actually think there different players in there both same work horse savage engine dogmatic tough workers but you get extra with o rourke as you get Brian dooher guile class creative spatial awareness

I dint either buy this lark oh too many choices excuse manager makes wrong call
No as good coach must have ability differential form pool talent who better
If he can't do that shouldn't be in the job

You see new Zealand rubgy pool talent available kilkenny sane abundance talent but manager still makes right call

That's he job manager cork senior football team be fair that minimum standards just like I expect postman delivery me mail and my dentist fix my tooth correctly for example
That there job
Perfection is part parcel cuthbhert job
If hr can't do it plenty others cork can and love to have chance do it

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