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‘People think I’m the devil for having an abortion, but it’s the only option that&

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  • #572
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Nope, I wouldn't support killing and embryo or zygote. I was asked about a Foetus, that's the question I answered.
    even if anencephaly is detected?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #573
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    mikom wrote: »
    I could not give a fuck about a male mules inability to reproduce as it is a vain attempt at moving the goalpost by yourself.

    You said......... "inter-species reproduction doesn't exist "

    I am here to educate you that a mule is the offspring of two different species, a male donkey a female horse.

    Would you like to be schooled on a hinny?

    Correction: Human inter-species doesn't exist. Please forgive my typing flaw.
    No-one gets jailed for murder for killing an animal.


  • #574
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    SW wrote: »
    even if anencephaly is detected?

    Abortion doesn't cure Anencaphaly.


  • #575
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Abortion doesn't cure Anencaphaly.
    didn't say it does. would you care to answer the question?

    would you allow for abortion where anencaphaly is detected?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #576
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Correction: Human inter-species doesn't exist. Please forgive my typing flaw.
    No-one gets jailed for murder for killing an animal.

    Which is why you brought up the male mule.......... rightttttt
    You were well caught out, and you were the one that was saying "'Very basic' would be a step up from your current understanding"


    As my father used to say...... "what would you expect from an ass, only a kick.


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  • #577
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Science proves that a human foetus is fully a human being.
    Try to keep up.

    No science does not prove that. But since you believe that a foetus is fully a human being the same as a baby I assume you are also very concerned with the fact that the child benefit, single parent allowance etc is only available from birth, when it should be made available the minute any woman presents a positive pregnancy test? And since zygotes and foetuses should have the same rights as born people, pps numbers should be allocated at conception not birth and 'birth' certs should be replaced with 'conception' certs. Age should also be legally determined from conception rather than birth.


  • #578
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    liam24 wrote: »
    If she only had to do it for nine months, you'd think she was a selfish bitch.

    Would I? Thanks for letting me know. Also, pregnancy doesn't just finish at the end of nine months, there's still the 18 years of child rearing


  • #579
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Correction: Human inter-species doesn't exist. Please forgive my typing flaw.
    No-one gets jailed for murder for killing an animal.

    Hmmm, dubious. There is evidence that modern humans ARE the product of inter-species breeding. We do have Neanderthal DNA after all.


  • #580
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    smash wrote: »
    That's a very subjective opinion. A foetus is classified as "a developing mammal or other viviparous vertebrate after the embryonic stage and before birth". So it is by no means a full human being. A foetus may contain a human genetic code but it does not hold many of the characteristics of being human. Mainly, the ability to survive without the mother who it lives off. It is still developing and that's why there is a point at which it is given a right to life at a certain stage of development in countries where abortion is legal. Before this point, it is not developed enough to be considered a being which should demand such rights.

    So if your opinion is that it's human and mine is that it isn't, well it doesn't really matter because the only opinion that should be considered is that of the mother.

    Development continues after birth. For decades. Until death. A foetus is a full human being at a stage of development.

    It is not in any way subjective, no more that saying a per-teen isn't human because they haven't developed as an adult.

    A Zygote / Foetus determines her own development precisely because she is fully human.


  • #581
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    And what are we to do about the silient genocide that is all the concieved but not implanted zygotes? Is duffman going to stand by the toilet with a tea-strainer in the homes of every fertile woman in Ireland?


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  • #582
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Would I? Thanks for letting me know. Also, pregnancy doesn't just finish at the end of nine months, there's still the 18 years of child rearing

    There's such a thing as adoption.


  • #583
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    Anyone else think it's rather ironic when the Christian community turn to Science to justify their arguments?


    Anyway, regardless of your position on this you must surely be up in arms.

    Either you believe that 12 irish citizens are being killed abroad every day and are doing nothing about it

    Or you believe that abortion is basically mean tested


  • #584
    Eutow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Eutow


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    And what are we to do about the silient genocide that is all the concieved but not implanted zygotes? Is duffman going to stand by the toilet with a tea-strainer in the homes of every fertile woman in Ireland?


    All that sperm I jerked away in my teenage years. Tragic, all that death.


  • #585
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    Eutow wrote: »
    All that sperm I jerked away in my teenage years. Tragic, all that death.

    Are you claiming you gave up masturbation?


  • #586
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    mikom wrote: »
    Which is why you brought up the male mule.......... rightttttt
    You were well caught out, and you were the one that was saying "'Very basic' would be a step up from your current understanding"


    As my father used to say...... "what would you expect from an ass, only a kick.

    Biologist explain that 2 mammals of the same species only can reproduce their own species. Simple.
    The name-calling doesn't help you make your point.


  • #587
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Development continues after birth. For decades. Until death. A foetus is a full human being at a stage of development.

    It is not in any way subjective, no more that saying a per-teen isn't human because they haven't developed as an adult.

    A Zygote / Foetus determines her own development precisely because she is fully human.

    Presuming the foetus has no fatal foetal abnormalities/ anencaphaly (which you still haven't answered my question on btw) or genetic issues that lead to a childhood death.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #588
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    SW wrote: »
    didn't say it does. would you care to answer the question?

    would you allow for abortion where anencaphaly is detected?

    No I wouldn't, as there are different severities of anencephaly.
    And even in severe cases, we will never learn to cure/prevent anencephaly if we kill the patients.


  • #589
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    And even in severe cases, we will never learn to cure/prevent anencephaly if we kill the patients.

    So FFA cases should be forced to carry to term as a medical experiment. The mind boggles.


  • #590
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,029 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    No I wouldn't, as there are different severities of anencephaly.
    And even in severe cases, we will never learn to cure/prevent anencephaly if we kill the patients.
    Infants with this abnormality don't live beyond a few days at most, and some only have a lifespan of hours.

    So you won't allow a woman to abort in that scenario? She must carry the foetus to term just so it can die once delivered?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #591
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    No science does not prove that. But since you believe that a foetus is fully a human being the same as a baby I assume you are also very concerned with the fact that the child benefit, single parent allowance etc is only available from birth, when it should be made available the minute any woman presents a positive pregnancy test? And since zygotes and foetuses should have the same rights as born people, pps numbers should be allocated at conception not birth and 'birth' certs should be replaced with 'conception' certs. Age should also be legally determined from conception rather than birth.

    Science does prove that we are fully human from fertilisation.
    You assume incorrectly.


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  • #592
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    liam24 wrote: »
    There's such a thing as adoption.

    Which causes much more severe mental health effects than abortion. Adoption isn't necessarily a valid alternative.


  • #593
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Science does prove that we are fully human from fertilisation.
    You assume incorrectly.


    citations?


  • #594
    Eutow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Eutow


    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    So FFA cases should be forced to carry to term as a medical experiment. The mind boggles.


    Cruel to the mother, father and the baby that is born with this condition.


  • #595
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Science does prove that we are fully human from fertilisation.
    You assume incorrectly.

    Where in all the scientific literature does it say that?


  • #596
    gosplan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Science does prove that we are fully human from fertilisation.
    You assume incorrectly.

    Can you cite this science please? What do you mean by 'fully human'?


  • #597
    liam24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭liam24


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Which causes much more severe mental health effects than abortion. Adoption isn't necessarily a valid alternative.
    People really are all over the place aren't they.


  • #598
    DuffmanGuy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭DuffmanGuy


    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    So FFA cases should be forced to carry to term as a medical experiment. The mind boggles.

    Your words, not mine.
    Exactly how do you think medicine develops?


  • #599
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    Development continues after birth. For decades. Until death. A foetus is a full human being at a stage of development.
    No, it really isn't.
    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    It is not in any way subjective, no more that saying a per-teen isn't human because they haven't developed as an adult.
    It is completely subjective. It's an opinion and it is not fact. To compare a pre-teen's humanity because it's still developing, to a foetus is just ludicrous.
    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    A Zygote / Foetus determines her own development precisely because she is fully human.
    This is just daft!


  • #600
    kylith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    liam24 wrote: »
    There's such a thing as adoption.

    We went through this a few pages back; there are nowhere near enough adoptive homes for the 5,000+ aborted Irish pregnancies each year.


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  • #601
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    DuffmanGuy wrote: »
    No I wouldn't, as there are different severities of anencephaly.
    And even in severe cases, we will never learn to cure/prevent anencephaly if we kill the patients.

    Of course insisting a pregnancy where anencephaly is detected goes to term, and once birth is achieved using the child as a medical study is totally ethical!


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