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‘People think I’m the devil for having an abortion, but it’s the only option that&

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  • #92
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    boatbuilder wrote: »
    Sad and barbaric that potentially on one floor of a hospital a doctor is killing an unborn baby (which involves dismembering it inside the mother) and on another floor a doctor could be battling to save a baby's life of a very similar age (23/24 weeks).

    :rolleyes:

    Majority of abortions are in the first trimester. Those in the 20-24 week period are only an extremely small percentage of the total and are almost always for medical reasons (severe/fatal foetal abnormalities).


  • #93
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    eviltwin wrote: »
    By that logic all contraception and morning after pills should be illegal as they can prevent a fertilized egg implanting.

    And masturbation, and periods...


  • #94
    Zippie84
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Zippie84


    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Ever think that the brave reference wasn't necessarily in relation to having the abortion itself, but to being open about it?


  • #95
    PauloMN
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    That's exactly what we do.
    The country voted in favour of the right to travel for an abortion. So basically this country said its OK to have an abortion, just don't do it here.

    Right to travel is freedom of movement. What she did in the UK is perfectly legal. This country said she can travel if she so desires. We are not the UK and we do not have to copy their laws.

    Our constitution protects the right to life of the unborn. If that gets overturned by a referendum then so be it. I neither like nor agree with it and I genuinely believe it will be a sad day for a country that has a long held view that the unborn should be protected.

    I think the abortion on demand policy in the UK is utterly wrong and totally wreckless to the baby obviously but also to the woman.

    Dont want to get into a slagging match over it, just my opinion, but I feel as strongly about it as you feel about your view.


  • #96
    Zippie84
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Zippie84


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Right to travel is freedom of movement. What she did in the UK is perfectly legal. This country said she can travel if she so desires. We are not the UK and we do not have to copy their laws.

    Our constitution protects the right to life of the unborn. If that gets overturned by a referendum then so be it. I neither like nor agree with it and I genuinely believe it will be a sad day for a country that has a long held view that the unborn should be protected.

    I think the abortion on demand policy in the UK is utterly wrong and totally wreckless to the baby obviously but also to the woman.

    Dont want to get into a slagging match over it, just my opinion, but I feel as strongly about it as you feel about your view.

    I respect your views. They're not mine, and I'm not the extreme opposite either. Rather, somewhere in the middle, as it's so far from being black and white.

    I like that you're reasonable in putting your points across though. It's a hugely emotional and sensitive subject, and so often reason gets completely lost in there.


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  • #97
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    PauloMN wrote: »

    I think the abortion on demand policy in the UK is utterly wrong and totally wreckless to the baby obviously but also to the woman.

    Dont want to get into a slagging match over it, just my opinion, but I feel as strongly about it as you feel about your view.

    It's rarely ever a case of "ah crap, I'm pregnant. Better pop down to the abortion clinic and get rid of it". Most women know the mental toll it can take, most women think long and hard before committing to an abortion. It's not so much a knee-jerk reaction people seem to think it is.


  • #98
    boatbuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭boatbuilder


    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Totally agree with you. I would argue that some mothers are the opposite of brave - cowardly.
    Call it judgmental if you like, but hey I never saw the law that says we shouldn't judge people's actions. Society is based on judging things. We have courts with judges in them. Its a way of figuring out right and wrong.


  • #99
    Zippie84
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Zippie84


    sup_dude wrote: »
    It's rarely ever a case of "ah crap, I'm pregnant. Better pop down to the abortion clinic and get rid of it". Most women know the mental toll it can take, most women think long and hard before committing to an abortion. It's not so much a knee-jerk reaction people seem to think it is.

    Yep, from the few women I know that have abortions (probably been more than I know) I have not known it to be knee-jerk, and a lot of thought went into it.

    I know that for me, years back it would've maybe been something I couldn't have done, but I feel very differently about it now. I know that to bring a child into this world I have to be in the best place I reasonably can be mentally in order to give that child a reasonable chance at life.

    And that if I somehow got pregnant now, I can't know for sure now what I'd do, but know that there's already been a lot of thought put into it.

    And that if I did then have an abortion (don't think I could despite what I said above) it would break my heart, but it would be a decision with a lot of thought put into it.


  • #100
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Right to travel is freedom of movement. What she did in the UK is perfectly legal. This country said she can travel if she so desires. We are not the UK and we do not have to copy their laws.

    Our constitution protects the right to life of the unborn. If that gets overturned by a referendum then so be it. I neither like nor agree with it and I genuinely believe it will be a sad day for a country that has a long held view that the unborn should be protected.

    I think the abortion on demand policy in the UK is utterly wrong and totally wreckless to the baby obviously but also to the woman.

    Dont want to get into a slagging match over it, just my opinion, but I feel as strongly about it as you feel about your view.

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I would be in favour of legal abortion but can appreciate the other side. What I can't accept is people judging this woman and others like her and deciding what she should do. It's a personal decision that doesn't need the approval of the masses. I'd imagine her reason for appearing in the program is not to focus on her story so much as focus on the difficulty irish women face when trying to access abortion.


  • #101
    Zippie84
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Zippie84


    boatbuilder wrote: »
    Totally agree with you. I would argue that some mothers are the opposite of brave - cowardly.
    Call it judgmental if you like, but hey I never saw the law that says we shouldn't judge people's actions. Society is based on judging things. We have courts with judges in them. Its a way of figuring out right and wrong.

    I don't think it's even about whether or not to judge someone, rather that if we haven't lived in another person's head, known all their thoughts, felt all their feelings, lived through their experiences, we're not in a position to judge (And I don't see that just related to abortion, but as a general point).


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  • #102
    eviltwin
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    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    You haven't seen anything yet, it's not on until tomorrow


  • #103
    [Deleted User]
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    boatbuilder wrote: »
    Short answer is yes to your first two questions - provide proper services to support mothers who are struggling.

    There's plenty of support for single mothers in this country, some would say too much.
    Do you think the money and allowances are not enough?


  • #104
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    bubblypop wrote: »
    There's plenty of support for single mothers in this country, some would say too much.
    Do you think the money and allowances are not enough?

    Too much?! I take it you've never been or known a single mother...


  • #105
    darced
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #106
    Tasden
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    boatbuilder wrote: »
    Short answer is yes to your first two questions - provide proper services to support mothers who are struggling.

    What kind of services?


  • #107
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    boatbuilder wrote: »
    Simple equation for you...

    baby = toddler a couple years later

    Only possible if Doc Brown pumps a fanny at 88 miles per hour.


  • #108
    PauloMN
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,885 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    sup_dude wrote: »
    It's rarely ever a case of "ah crap, I'm pregnant. Better pop down to the abortion clinic and get rid of it". Most women know the mental toll it can take, most women think long and hard before committing to an abortion. It's not so much a knee-jerk reaction people seem to think it is.

    Yeah I agree that it can never be an easy decision. In her case, what's done is done and I genuinely hope she can live with it. And I don't mean that as a petty point scoring attempt but as a sincere concern. I think there's a lot of unspoken about long term mental effects on the women who have abortions too.


  • #109
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Right to travel is freedom of movement. What she did in the UK is perfectly legal. This country said she can travel if she so desires. We are not the UK and we do not have to copy their laws.

    Our constitution protects the right to life of the unborn. If that gets overturned by a referendum then so be it. I neither like nor agree with it and I genuinely believe it will be a sad day for a country that has a long held view that the unborn should be protected.

    I think the abortion on demand policy in the UK is utterly wrong and totally wreckless to the baby obviously but also to the woman.

    Dont want to get into a slagging match over it, just my opinion, but I feel as strongly about it as you feel about your view.

    Why is it wreckless to the woman?
    I feel strongly about not judging people, I don't judge others for their decisions, when they feel they are best for them.
    Its not my business.


  • #110
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Did the kid a favour not having him grow with a hipster bellend for a dad.


  • #111
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,988 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    ‘People think I’m the devil for having an abortion, but it’s the only option that’s right for me’

    Very brave and courageous of her to come forward, waive her anonymity and to take part in the documentary. Braver person than I. Hopefully the documentary reasonates with some and emphasises the point that we should no longer put women through this on top of what is already a very stressful ordeal. Forcing them to travel and cough up circa €1,300 is not very humane.

    Twelve women a day take the boat, it's time we stopped exporting this issue and legislate for it at home.

    Humane is the only word I saw in this post and it instantly made me think wouldn't it be far more humane to go through with the pregnancy and put the child up for adoption everyone is a winner for the sake of nine months!I am sure plenty of childless couples would like to adopt the child.:confused:

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • #112
    [Deleted User]
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    sup_dude wrote: »
    Too much?! I take it you've never been or known a single mother...

    Wrong. 3 of my friends are single mothers.
    My own mother was a single mother, when they got a LOT less than they do now.

    Are you really saying that we should throw money at women to have babies?? Instead if women making something of their lives, then having children that they can support themselves??


  • #113
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Yeah I agree that it can never be an easy decision. In her case, what's done is done and I genuinely hope she can live with it. And I don't mean that as a petty point scoring attempt but as a sincere concern. I think there's a lot of unspoken about long term mental effects on the women who have abortions too.

    Funnily enough women who have abortions in countries where it's illegal and a stigma exists have worse outcomes than those in countries where it's legal.


  • #114
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Humane is the only word I saw in this post and it instantly made me think wouldn't it be far more humane to go through with the pregnancy and put the child up for adoption everyone is a winner for the sake of nine months!I am sure plenty of childless couples would like to adopt the child.:confused:

    Cause carrying a child, giving birth and then giving it up for adoption is so easy :rolleyes:


  • #115
    Zippie84
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Zippie84


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Cause carrying a child, giving birth and then giving it up for adoption is so easy :rolleyes:

    Yep, all just 'for the sake of nine months'. a minor inconvenience, nothing more to it, right?


  • #116
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Wrong. 3 of my friends are single mothers.
    My own mother was a single mother, when they got a LOT less than they do now.

    Are you really saying that we should throw money at women to have babies?? Instead if women making something of their lives, then having children that they can support themselves??

    No, I'm not saying that.

    I'm saying that I'm also a child of a single mother and if that's "too much" then good god, I'd hate to see the recommended amount. Obviously making something of their lives first would be ideal, I'd say if you spoke to any young parent they'd agree. However, abortion is very expensive and heavily frowned upon.


  • #117
    Tasden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Wrong. 3 of my friends are single mothers.
    My own mother was a single mother, when they got a LOT less than they do now.

    Are you really saying that we should throw money at women to have babies?? Instead if women making something of their lives, then having children that they can support themselves??

    The poster disagreed with the idea that single parents are getting too much financial support. Nobody said anything about throwing money at people to have babies.


  • #118
    greenfrogs
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    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Humane is the only word I saw in this post and it instantly made me think wouldn't it be far more humane to go through with the pregnancy and put the child up for adoption everyone is a winner for the sake of nine months!I am sure plenty of childless couples would like to adopt the child.:confused:

    These women don't want to be pregnant. Nine months is a long time. It would have a huge affect on the physical and emotional well being of the women. I admire any woman who has an unwanted pregnancy and decides that adoption is the best option for her. But it is not the responsibility of women facing an unwanted pregnancy to have babies for those who can't have children.


  • #119
    marienbad
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    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    But it might go a little way to exposing the hypocrisy at the heart of this debate in this country.


  • #120
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    smokingman wrote: »
    If you don't like abortion, don't have one!

    *wince* ... it's like salt rubbed in an open wound... Up there with "Alcohol kills more people than cannabis", jesus...

    Just completely disregard the primary argument of the opposing side. "La La La, I can't hear you!!!"

    "Don't like raping people, then just don't rape them. But leave me to do what I want!!"

    Ouch... Stop. Repeating. That. Catchphrase. Please. I. Beg. You.


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  • #121
    darced
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    This post has been deleted.


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