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How will you vote in the Marriage Equality referendum? Mod Note Post 1

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  • #2162
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrPOOkJkXMk


  • #2163
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    reprise wrote: »
    Yeah, we are back to the paranoid notion that marriage was invented by homophobes who couldn't think of a more novel way to persecute gay people.

    Where are you getting this from?


  • #2164
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    I'm starting the Thanks flood for efb. You just know it will never get old.

    Can anyone write a script to throw this one out every say, sixth post and pre-allocate server space and some thanks to it?


  • #2165
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,015 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Every argument that has been used for gay marriage can be used for incestuous marriage. The only reason incest isn't allowed in the debate is because gay and straight people alike find it disgusting. Do you see any parallels here?

    Do you mean that think gay and straight people find the debate about SSM as equally disgusting as that of the issue of incest?

    So I can understand that, can you supply a study for me to reference?


  • #2166
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Do you mean that think gay and straight people find the debate about SSM as equally disgusting as that of the issue of incest?

    So I can understand that, can you supply a study for me to reference?

    That's not what I said at all. I want to believe you just misread what I said.

    And less of the snark, young man.


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  • #2167
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,015 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    reprise wrote: »
    This is of course, the ever so discreet way of screaming homophobe.

    Yawn.

    O.M.G. heaven forbid, i wouldn't want to define people who insist on the difference between heterosexual and homosexual couples when it came to equal access to civil marriage as homophobes.


  • #2168
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,015 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    That's not what I said at all. I want to believe you just misread what I said.

    And less of the snark, young man.

    Perhaps you could define the parallels you refer to then, if I misread what you meant, please?

    Edit: do you mean the view of incest amongst both heterosexuals and homosexuals in society generally, rather than the debate here?


  • #2169
    reprise
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    aloyisious wrote: »
    O.M.G. heaven forbid, i wouldn't want to define people who insist on the difference between heterosexual and homosexual couples when it came to equal access to civil marriage as homophobes.

    Like - that doesn't prove my point?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94106352&postcount=2212


  • #2170
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    reprise wrote: »
    Like - that doesn't prove my point?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94106352&postcount=2212

    You were questioned on that "point". Where did it come from? Where's the evidence it even existed in the first place, nevermind again? Where, on this entire thread, have you seen that anyone believes that? In fact, I distinctly remember people originating marriage to before Catholism, where gays were allowed to marry.


  • #2171
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    sup_dude wrote: »
    You were questioned on that "point". Where did it come from? Where's the evidence it even existed in the first place, nevermind again? Where, on this entire thread, have you seen that anyone believes that? In fact, I distinctly remember people originating marriage to before Catholism, where gays were allowed to marry.

    You remember gay mariage? When was that?


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  • #2172
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    reprise wrote: »
    You remember gay mariage? When was that?

    Are you purposely misreading my post?


  • #2173
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Perhaps you could define the parallels you refer to then, if I misread what you meant, please?

    Edit: do you mean the view of incest amongst both heterosexuals and homosexuals in society generally, rather than the debate here?

    Yeah. I meant exactly what I said. Heterosexuals and homosexuals alike tend to think incest is disgusting. Do I really need a study to prove that?

    The parallel comes in when you see that the same reasoning is behind the anti-homosexuality and anti-incest ideas. Opposition to both is fundamentally the same in the mind of the individual. Regardless of health implications for offspring and all that. That's all outside factors. Fundamentally the idea is the same to the person who holds that idea.

    So, cool it with the holier than thou chit cuz...

    I think Russell Brand touched on this when he said that paedophiles should be treated with compassion.


  • #2174
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Are you purposely misreading my post?

    No, honest misread.

    When exactly was gay marriage legal, when was it repealed and why?


  • #2175
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Are you purposely misreading my post?

    He wants to know when there was gay marriage. I'd like to know as well. Not to challenge you, just because its something I never knew before.


  • #2176
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    reprise wrote: »
    No, honest misread.

    When exactly was gay marriage legal, when was it repealed and why?

    walshyn93 wrote: »
    He wants to know when there was gay marriage. I'd like to know as well. Not to challenge you, just because its something I never knew before.

    It was something posted about 100 pages back. I'll try and find it but it'll take a while.


  • #2177
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,015 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Yeah. I meant exactly what I said. Heterosexuals and homosexuals alike tend to think incest is disgusting. Do I really need a study to prove that?

    No, I don't suppose so. It's more likely to be a "yucky-poo" issue to people unless they suddenly become personally involved with it as a live up and close personal issue. I hadn't read back on your posts til after your last reply to get an idea of where you're come from/stand. Some posters; well........... :)


  • #2178
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    sup_dude wrote: »
    It was something posted about 100 pages back. I'll try and find it but it'll take a while.

    There is a whole Wikipedia page about it...


  • #2179
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,015 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    reprise wrote: »
    Like - that doesn't prove my point?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?
    p=94106352&postcount=2212

    That homophobes are paranoid?


  • #2180
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    aloyisious wrote: »
    That homophobes are paranoid?

    I take it English is not your first language?


  • #2181
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    bodice ripper wrote: »
    There is a whole Wikipedia page about it...

    Cool, can't wait to see what else was legal and illegal back in the glory days.


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  • #2182
    Ave Sodalis
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    bodice ripper wrote: »
    There is a whole Wikipedia page about it...

    Yeah, I was looking for the post though

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions


  • #2183
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Is this what you are talking about?

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-Sex_Unions_in_Pre-Modern_Europe

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #2184
    WoolyJumper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WoolyJumper


    reprise wrote: »
    I take it English is not your first language?

    I didnt really understand your point either tbh

    English is my first language though.


  • #2185
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,015 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    reprise wrote: »
    I take it English is not your first language?

    Excellent, two new issues to discuss. 1, marriage being an invention of homophobes to harass homosexuals. 2, whether the English language is my first language.


  • #2186
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    WoolyJumper wrote: »
    I didnt really understand your point either tbh

    English is my first language though.

    Ok, maybe I was a bit vague.

    Do gay people think marriage was invented by homophobes to exclude them?


  • #2187
    bodice ripper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭bodice ripper


    reprise wrote: »
    Cool, can't wait to see what else was legal and illegal back in the glory days.

    Try Leviticus.


  • #2188
    WoolyJumper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭WoolyJumper


    reprise wrote: »
    Ok, maybe I was a bit vague.

    Do gay people think marriage was invented by homophobes to exclude them?

    no


  • #2189
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Your premise is wrong. People aren't arguing that X shouldn't be allowed because Y isn't allowed. They're merely pointing out that equality is a subjective concept. It all depends on a person's value system. What they deem to be moral and immoral. Equality for all the people society deems to be moral and none for the outliers. Wasn't long ago that gays were outliers. Might others be welcomed into the fold in future? Who knows? The incest argument is just a logical exercise to prove the subjective nature of equality.

    The referendum is about changing the wording of the constitution to mention that the gender of the 2 people doesnt matter. Other than polygamy, the others will be possible with legislation changes.

    If people wish to discuss allowing the like of polygamy or marriage between relatives then they are free to do so but for now the world is starting to allow SSM.

    Discussion and studies have been going on for years and the consensus is everything is fine with SSM. Nobody has bothered to do this for the others and when they do then it can be considered. Polygamy is a bit more complicated and there are worries about incestuous relationships but if research into the topic is done and everything is fine then go for it. Gay relationships have only been acceptable again recently, the others havent gone through that change yet.


  • #2190
    DeVore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Reprise, you keep ignoring my question...

    Gay people cant create children in their marriage.... so what?


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  • #2191
    reprise
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    WoolyJumper wrote: »
    no

    Then why were they not included?


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