Do you support the Swedish model?

The Diabolical Monocle · 30-01-2015 01:12AM

jimgoose wrote: »

Prostitution should be completely illegal, full-stop. It invariably and inevitably leads to abuse and misery, mainly of girls, even in Germany which is usually held up as the liberal leading-light in this area. Like fcuk like.

But all male-female heterosexual relations are based on a woman trading sex for something.

ok not all ... .just 99.9999%

NachoBusiness · 30-01-2015 01:12AM

I have never heard of a prostitute that worked from her own apartment, independent of an agency, being prosecuted in Ireland and so isn't that a nod and a wink that it is somewhat tolerated here. I'd also think that if such a prostitute was robbed or assaulted by a client, the authorities wouldn't automatically prosecute them for volunteering that information. Perhaps I'm wrong but have only ever seen those running brothels or taking part in them ever getting charged.

Falthyron · 30-01-2015 01:16AM

I am not sure legalised prostitution and brothels would solve the issue of rape. To my understanding, rape is more of an issue to do with power, than it is to do with sexual pleasure. It is about the idea of control and dominance over another human being and being able to inflict pain on that person. If we imagine the dominance as the sexual gratification, there is none to be had from a prostitute who willingly offers sex for money, therefore no attraction for the potential rapist.

SeanW · 30-01-2015 01:18AM

Ozymandius2011 wrote: »

Do you support this idea, which has been pushed by Ruhama for years? Did you know that Ruhama's trustees are the Sisters of Charity and Sisters of Mercy, which ran the Magdalene launderies? Is it not ironic that the religious orders - which are refusing to compensate the Magdalene women - are now posing as defenders of women's rights? And what about the rights of women who choose to be prostitutes? And indeed male prostitutes?

It would be a mistake to blame the Catholic Church here, yes Ruhama has been beating the drum for this.

But this model could never have come so far as it has done without the emphatic, vocal support of the feminist-left (hello Ivana Bacik). The radfems have been having it pretty much their own way these last few years, the introduction of the Swedish model, steep gender quotas in politics, specific tax breaks etc.

Additionally, on some issues (like this) feminists are indistinguishable from the religious-right.

And this is not a new phenomenon. It goes back at least as far as the 1980s when Andrea Dworkin was a key witness before the Meese Commission hearings under the socially conservatives, which preceeded one of the worst abrogations of the First Amendment in American history.

Closer to home, our Nordy cousins experienced the same phenomenon. Sinn Fein and the DUP can't agree on anything. Flegs, parades, dealing with the past, the budget, nothing. Except implementing the Swedish model there too, where Sinn Fein and the DUP were in absolute 100% agreement.

Ozymandius2011 · 30-01-2015 09:55PM

SeanW wrote: »

It would be a mistake to blame the Catholic Church here, yes Ruhama has been beating the drum for this.

But this model could never have come so far as it has done without the emphatic, vocal support of the feminist-left (hello Ivana Bacik). The radfems have been having it pretty much their own way these last few years, the introduction of the Swedish model, steep gender quotas in politics, specific tax breaks etc.

Additionally, on some issues (like this) feminists are indistinguishable from the religious-right.

And this is not a new phenomenon. It goes back at least as far as the 1980s when Andrea Dworkin was a key witness before the Meese Commission hearings under the socially conservatives, which preceeded one of the worst abrogations of the First Amendment in American history.

Closer to home, our Nordy cousins experienced the same phenomenon. Sinn Fein and the DUP can't agree on anything. Flegs, parades, dealing with the past, the budget, nothing. Except implementing the Swedish model there too, where Sinn Fein and the DUP were in absolute 100% agreement.

Ironically Bacik used to favour decriminalisation years ago.

paleoperson · 30-01-2015 10:27PM

I feel like this whole idea of "the swedish model" is a brand name and a bit of a gimmick. Anything that comes from Sweden sounds like it would be at the forefront of women's movements, so as if this is working for women and not against them. The progressive, modernized movement, rather than the backwards likes of Ruhama and other religious groups scrambling for last shreds of power.

The gimmick of course is the idea that the punter would be the one in trouble, thus saving the prostitute from the ignominy of breaking the law, something that will mean feck all to any real prostitute.

Do you support the Swedish model?

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