Tri-colour lowered half mast for Saudi King Abdullah

ted1 · 24-01-2015 01:39AM

coolemon wrote: »

http://img.rasset.ie/000a0fbf-642.jpg

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0123/675039-saudi-arabia/

What a scummy hypocritical mafia state we have right here. A banana republic.

Where is President DHiggins, head of state, faux progressive and leftist, to intervene to stop this lowering of the flag for a vile dictator?

Shame.

He was the sovereign leader of an important trade partner. That has an embassy here, I support the flag flying at half mast

feargale · 24-01-2015 01:40AM

Del2005 wrote: »

We've done worst but I don't want to Godwin this thread.

FFS say Hitler. Forget these gobsh1tes who quote Godwin every time somebody mentions HH or Naziism. All Godwin said is that they are frequently mentioned. He didn't say it was a sin to mention them.
Remember the scene in The Life of Brian where the sinner is stoned for uttering the name Jehovah, and as he is stoned he shouts " Jehovah, Jehovah, Jehovah."
Hitler, Hitler, Hitler.

P.S. I am opposed to lowering flags for, or otherwise honouring murderous usurpers, whether they be in Germany or Saudi Arabia.

ted1 · 24-01-2015 01:42AM

the_monkey wrote: »

What do you expect though of a country that hates women like Ireland ?

Murdered Savita Halappanavar and countless other women ...

Murdered KIDS for Gods sake !!!!!

MURDERERS !!!

CHILD RAPISTS !!!

SCUM IRELAND !!!

You really are a monkey

humanji · 24-01-2015 01:42AM

the_monkey wrote: »

What do you expect though of a country that hates women like Ireland ?

Murdered Savita Halappanavar and countless other women ...

Murdered KIDS for Gods sake !!!!!

MURDERERS !!!

CHILD RAPISTS !!!

SCUM IRELAND !!!

Best not to post while drunk.

keeponhurling · 24-01-2015 01:51AM

We cannot have an opinion stance on everything in the world.

If a country says that officially Mister XYZ is their leader, that XYZ is their leader.

Pass on our commiserations and leave it at that

buried · 24-01-2015 03:40AM

If some civil servant thinks its a good idea to put a piece of fabric half way down a flagpole due to some medieval gypsy, islamic fascist, gangster tyrant king croaking, fair play to them. And fair play to me too, because when I heard the news of the croaking of the tyrant gypsy king, I stocked up on a rake of booze and tunes to heavily consume tonight in order to celebrate the gangsters demise, which I am currently doing, and having a great time of it too. So thanks Kingcuntychin, thank you very much.

the dark phantom · 24-01-2015 03:55AM

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/01/feminist-boss-lady-queen-elizabeth-gave-saudi-arabias-king-lesson-power
Queen of England brings Saudi King for a drive around Balmoral.
That made me laugh, Got to say fair deuce to her.

Egginacup · 24-01-2015 04:15AM

Inquitus wrote: »

Who cares.

A lot of people care.
Flags hung at half mast over the death of a tyrant and utterly execrable individual?
People have a problem with the likes of Gerry Adams who they claim (and it may be true) killed people...maybe a dozen. Yet we hang a flag low in reverence to this bastard who signed countless death warrants?

I would love to know who is responsible for the decision to hang a flag at half staff in honour of this vermin.

buried · 24-01-2015 04:26AM

Egginacup wrote: »

A lot of people care.
Flags hung at half mast over the death of a tyrant and utterly execrable individual?
People have a problem with the likes of Gerry Adams who they claim (and it may be true) killed people...maybe a dozen. Yet we hang a flag low in reverence to this bastard who signed countless death warrants?

I would love to know who is responsible for the decision to hang a flag at half staff in honour of this vermin.

Some civil servant lickarse $hitheel with more respect for bull$hit fairytale titles than human rights and decency I'd wager

DeadHand · 24-01-2015 04:49AM

Desolation Of Smug wrote: »

I dunno. Maybe the world would start to have a glimmer of hope that we actually had some moral view on things, as opposed to being money-grubbing little fcukers? But that's ludicrous, I know. Money rules all, right?

LookingFor wrote: »

Maybe our dignity.

Realpolitik, gentlemen.

Morals and dignity don't factor into it when we play the game of global statecraft.

Lowering a flag is a minor move from a minor country. In the past, the West jumped into bed with Stalin (a man who would make the house of Saud look like a boyband).

This is hardly a dilemma in comparison, but as with that cynical, morally dubious course of action it will prove the one that is best for us in the long run.

buried · 24-01-2015 05:16AM

DeadHand wrote: »

Realpolitik, gentlemen.

Morals and dignity don't factor into it when we play the game of global statecraft.

Lowering a flag is a minor move from a minor country. In the past, the West jumped into bed with Stalin (a man who would make the house of Saud look like a boyband).

This is hardly a dilemma in comparison, but as with that cynical, morally dubious course of action it will prove the one that is best for us in the long run.

Pretty $hitty job of "Global statecraft" or whatever the hell that means going on at the moment when the state sponsored actions of Saudi Arabia make the likes of ISIS look like a boyband, while at the same time the west is constantly bombarded by its own media about the atrocities committed by one shower of gangsters and not the other

suicide_circus · 24-01-2015 08:35AM

Thousands of irish jet off to the UAE every week and not a bother on them.

Banjo String · 24-01-2015 08:41AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Thousands of irish jet off to the UAE every week and not a bother on them.

Was due to go myself for a week tomorrow, 3 days in Saudi, 3 in Dubai, whole thing cancelled (trade show)

I'm gutted, wife delighted. :mad:

suicide_circus · 24-01-2015 08:48AM

Banjo String wrote: »

Was due to go myself for a week tomorrow, 3 days in Saudi, 3 in Dubai, whole thing cancelled (trade show)

I'm gutted, wife delighted. :mad:

Was she due to go with?

Banjo String · 24-01-2015 08:57AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Was she due to go with?

No, she's in a completely different profession (she's in health).

She's more delighted that I'll be at home helping out with kids and meals, rather than supping cognacs and waffling in Dubai.

suicide_circus · 24-01-2015 09:15AM

Banjo String wrote: »

No, she's in a completely different profession (she's in health).

She's more delighted that I'll be at home helping out with kids and meals, rather than supping cognacs and waffling in Dubai.

Oh I thought she might have been uncomfortable going there for moral reasons

Banjo String · 24-01-2015 09:16AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Oh I thought she might have been uncomfortable going there for moral reasons

My wife married me.

She has no morals.

arayess · 24-01-2015 09:31AM

sorry for derailing the thread but I am bemused at the outrage over DeValera sending condolences to Germany over Hitler's death when given at the time

1. Ireland was supposedly neutral
2. The horrors of the war/concentration camps weren't known till a while after the war ended

also we had to carry on having diplomatic relations with Germany , the idea that those in the nazi movement and any other with sympathy for hitler would die with Hitler is a nonsense.

It made perfect diplomatic sense and critics of that have their heads in the sand.

Banjo String · 24-01-2015 09:43AM

arayess wrote: »

sorry for derailing the thread but I am bemused at the outrage over DeValera sending condolences to Germany over Hitler's death when given at the time

1. Ireland was supposedly neutral
2. The horrors of the war/concentration camps weren't known till a while after the war ended

also we had to carry on having diplomatic relations with Germany , the idea that those in the nazi movement and any other with sympathy for hitler would die with Hitler is a nonsense.

It made perfect diplomatic sense and critics of that have their heads in the sand.

We're still supposedly neutral, should we start sending dignitaries over each time a member of Isis gets 'martyred' too?

UCDVet · 24-01-2015 09:48AM

Banjo String wrote: »

We're still supposedly neutral, should we start sending dignitaries over each time a member of Isis gets 'martyred' too?

If the gain enough control over a large enough region and that control stabilizes - we probably would.

wendell borton · 24-01-2015 09:57AM

The lowering of the union jack has been condemned by politicians in the UK.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/24/prince-charles-and-pm-fly-to-saudi-amid-growing-row-over-uk-flag-tributes

ted1 · 24-01-2015 10:01AM

wendell borton wrote: »

The lowering of the union jack has been condemned by politicians in the UK.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/24/prince-charles-and-pm-fly-to-saudi-amid-growing-row-over-uk-flag-tributes

I stopped reading when it said UKIP

Arbiter of Good Taste · 24-01-2015 10:04AM

Banjo String wrote: »

We're still supposedly neutral, should we start sending dignitaries over each time a member of Isis gets 'martyred' too?

Is ISIS the head of a State with which we have diplomatic relations? Cop on

force eleven · 24-01-2015 10:07AM

If the Germans lowered theirs than we have to follow. IMF / Troika rules don't you know.

wilhelm roentgen · 24-01-2015 10:07AM

arayess wrote: »

sorry for derailing the thread but I am bemused at the outrage over DeValera sending condolences to Germany over Hitler's death when given at the time

1. Ireland was supposedly neutral
2. The horrors of the war/concentration camps weren't known till a while after the war ended

also we had to carry on having diplomatic relations with Germany , the idea that those in the nazi movement and any other with sympathy for hitler would die with Hitler is a nonsense.

It made perfect diplomatic sense and critics of that have their heads in the sand.

Complete Bollocks

ireland.man · 24-01-2015 10:10AM

Surprise surprise...

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09JEDDAH443_a.html#efmAZVAZfAdBAe8Ae-AiQBZBBaV

yipeeeee · 24-01-2015 10:10AM

Jus reading 3 Christians were arrested and are currently set for torture as their punishment for worshiping in their apartment, just the 3 of them.

That's how much they value Christians right to worship over there.

Do they give us the respect and freedom in their countries we give them to practice their beliefs and religion?

Not a chance they do.

arayess · 24-01-2015 10:39AM

wilhelm roentgen wrote: »

Complete Bollocks

i'd argue not - i'm not saying there weren't report but it wasn't proven.

even from this source which isn't unbiased they claim the details and report where neither complete nor wholly accurate.
I've read a lot more neutral accounts and the consensus is that it wasn't widely known or proven.

So in DeValera's defense he can't base state policy on reports or stories of such nature in 1944 - of course the whole horror came out later and in hindsight it looks ill-judged at best on Ireland's part but in 1944 it wasn't.

*edit
Damn I can't post links but I was referencing the
36 Questions About the Holocaust on the site wiesenthal.com
point 20

24-01-2015 11:00AM

wilhelm roentgen wrote: »

Complete Bollocks

most of the concentration camps were liberated in the six months before the end of the war and their horrors laid bare for all to see.

Streetwalker · 24-01-2015 11:05AM

R.I.P King Abdullah

Tri-colour lowered half mast for Saudi King Abdullah

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