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Kirby · 23-01-2015 06:06AM

Puts a whole new meaning to the term "bums on seats" doesn't it?

Lovely Bloke · 23-01-2015 06:42AM

It's an actual Dutch phrase, seemingly, and there is a better translation than "grab" or "Twitch" that I just heard on 5Live, but now can't remember it.

Deiseboy01 · 23-01-2015 08:45AM

Pro. F wrote: »

I argued against your points:
1 success breeds success
2 signing RVP didn't impact future potential signings
3 that Madrid don't concern themselves with buying big names

You did assert all of those points.

I did not, you are either lying or being willfullly obtuse, either way I've enough of it.

Bandana boy · 23-01-2015 09:02AM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You would accuse the initial party over the guilty?

Ya, OK.

I do not understand what your stating here

To be clearer on my side ,violence is not the correct response to verbal abuse , people whose response to verbal abuse is violence are in themselves criminals.

I do not know you ,maybe you are a huge ,young and a skilled fighter ,but the probability is over your life you will be called worse than the son of a whore and I suspect your response will not be more violent than a diving kung fu kick .

sReq | uTeK · 23-01-2015 09:48AM

I believe that Fergie purchasing RVP was probably one of the worst decisions he's made in a long long time. Sure it won us the league but it severely ****ed us up for the foreseeable future and today it's still evident.

When you have a player like RVP he simply has to play, as does Rooney and Falcao but we're sticking them in positions that is detrimental to both united and also to potential players who would do a greater job there if they had time to develop.

Case in point is persisting with Rooney as a central midfielder, he's not a midfielder sure he has box to box attributes and works hard but he doesn't control the tempo of a game and bar the odd few cross field Hollywood passes in a game its meh for me. Its increasingly looking like Anders Herrera who looks like he could control games and contribute with killer passes to Rooney or Falcao (if they were played up top) is being overlooked. Our shape and dynamic is all over the place at the moment. We're buying players that we just don't need and it's destroying players we should be playing in positions they're actually good at or could develop into world class players there. Not only that I really do believe that given the choice of a few clubs if I was a young up and coming player I'd be hesitant to join united simply because I'd be afraid that a big name player would be on the pitch before me due to status alone.

I don't understand why we simply cant alternate our strikers in a 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 and solve this problem once and for all.

I think our best 11 at the moment would be for 442

DDG
RAF - Rojo - Smalling -Shaw
Young / Val / - Carrick - Anders / Blind - Di Maria
Rooney - Falcao

and

Substitute in Mata for Val / Young and bring Rooney back for a 4-2-3-1

Deiseboy01 · 23-01-2015 09:52AM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I believe that Fergie purchasing RVP was probably one of the worst decisions he's made in a long long time. Sure it won us the league but it severely ****ed us up for the foreseeable future and today it's still evident.

When you have a player like RVP he simply has to play, as does Rooney and Falcao but we're sticking them in positions that is detrimental to both united and also to potential players who would do a greater job there if they had time to develop.

Case in point is persisting with Rooney as a central midfielder, he's not a midfielder sure he has box to box attributes and works hard but he doesn't control the tempo of a game and bar the odd few cross field Hollywood passes in a game its meh for me. Its increasingly looking like Anders Herrera who looks like he could control games and contribute with killer passes to Rooney or Falcao (if they were played up top) is being overlooked. Our shape and dynamic is all over the place at the moment. We're buying players that we just don't need and it's destroying players we should be playing in positions they're actually good at or could develop into world class players there. Not only that I really do believe that given the choice of a few clubs if I was a young up and coming player I'd be hesitant to join united simply because I'd be afraid that a big name player would be on the pitch before me due to status alone.

I don't understand why we simply cant alternate our strikers in a 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 and solve this problem once and for all.

I think our best 11 at the moment would be for 442

DDG
RAF - Rojo - Smalling -Shaw
Young / Val / - Carrick - Anders / Blind - Di Maria
Rooney - Falcao

and

Substitute in Mata for Val / Young and bring Rooney back for a 4-2-3-1

How did buying RVP **** us up? That's nonsense.

Also remember Fergie bought him prior to his decision to retire. Had he stayed on rooney would no longer be at the club and therefore RVP would be an even more important signing.

bangkok · 23-01-2015 09:59AM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

I believe that Fergie purchasing RVP was probably one of the worst decisions he's made in a long long time. Sure it won us the league but it severely ****ed us up for the foreseeable future and today it's still evident.

When you have a player like RVP he simply has to play, as does Rooney and Falcao but we're sticking them in positions that is detrimental to both united and also to potential players who would do a greater job there if they had time to develop.

Case in point is persisting with Rooney as a central midfielder, he's not a midfielder sure he has box to box attributes and works hard but he doesn't control the tempo of a game and bar the odd few cross field Hollywood passes in a game its meh for me. Its increasingly looking like Anders Herrera who looks like he could control games and contribute with killer passes to Rooney or Falcao (if they were played up top) is being overlooked. Our shape and dynamic is all over the place at the moment. We're buying players that we just don't need and it's destroying players we should be playing in positions they're actually good at or could develop into world class players there. Not only that I really do believe that given the choice of a few clubs if I was a young up and coming player I'd be hesitant to join united simply because I'd be afraid that a big name player would be on the pitch before me due to status alone.

I don't understand why we simply cant alternate our strikers in a 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 and solve this problem once and for all.

I think our best 11 at the moment would be for 442

DDG
RAF - Rojo - Smalling -Shaw
Young / Val / - Carrick - Anders / Blind - Di Maria
Rooney - Falcao

and

Substitute in Mata for Val / Young and bring Rooney back for a 4-2-3-1

are you having a laugh?!

Will I Amnt · 23-01-2015 10:02AM

Cantona is a f*cking hero for kung fu kicking that scrote of a yoke. I mean, look at him, his face screams kick me!!!

RobertKK · 23-01-2015 10:07AM

Fergie's worst decisions were not buying to strengthen midfield, the decision to say Jones was such a great player,.
RVP was the right type of signing, there was too much investment in potential towards the latter end, RVP was a breath of fresh air.

United to compete with the best need the best, yes buy potential but not an over reliance on it.

RobertKK · 23-01-2015 10:13AM

I still have no sympathy for Mr Simmons 20 years on. One can't attack the people watching the match, but I just can't help but support Cantona.
He was one of our best players ever, I wish he hadn't done it for the simple reason he got that 8 month ban, and I loved watching him play.

In that picture, even the steward has his hand out towards the hooligan for him to stop.

Lovely Bloke · 23-01-2015 10:16AM

The incident featured on the Junior Cert English Paper that year, in the Media Studies section - it was a "compare & contrast" between the Tabloid and Broadsheet reporting of it.

bangkok · 23-01-2015 10:19AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Fergie's worst decisions were not buying to strengthen midfield, the decision to say Jones was such a great player,.
RVP was the right type of signing, there was too much investment in potential towards the latter end, RVP was a breath of fresh air.

United to compete with the best need the best, yes buy potential but not an over reliance on it.

in fairness when we signed Jones he was one of the best defenders around of his age.

also fergie had one of the best midfields in Europe for years....Keane and scholes, before that robson and ince. Nicky butt in their too.

He signed veron, one of the best players in the world at the time for midfield and it never worked out with him.

He signed the best defensive midfielder in france at the time djembe djembe, again he failed

he signed a world cup winner kleberson, again failed.

he signed Anderson, the best young midfielder in Europe, had one excellent season but was too inconsistent then

he signed liam miller flopped

owen hargreves too injury prone in the end and wouldn't play

Michael carrick...huge success

to say he never addressed midfield is a false statement

RobertKK · 23-01-2015 10:41AM

bangkok wrote: »

in fairness when we signed Jones he was one of the best defenders around of his age.

also fergie had one of the best midfields in Europe for years....Keane and scholes, before that robson and ince. Nicky butt in their too.

He signed veron, one of the best players in the world at the time for midfield and it never worked out with him.

He signed the best defensive midfielder in france at the time djembe djembe, again he failed

he signed a world cup winner kleberson, again failed.

he signed Anderson, the best young midfielder in Europe, had one excellent season but was too inconsistent then

he signed liam miller flopped

owen hargreves too injury prone in the end and wouldn't play

Michael carrick...huge success

to say he never addressed midfield is a false statement

Sorry, wasn't saying that, just towards the latter end as in the last few years of his reign. he didn't address midfield, so we ended up with Jones at times playing midfield, and he had to bring Scholes out of retirement to play, and we know what that led to in regards to Pogba.
I just think towards the end, he made a right mess of the midfield.

sky88 · 23-01-2015 10:46AM

bangkok wrote: »

in fairness when we signed Jones he was one of the best defenders around of his age.

also fergie had one of the best midfields in Europe for years....Keane and scholes, before that robson and ince. Nicky butt in their too.

He signed veron, one of the best players in the world at the time for midfield and it never worked out with him.

He signed the best defensive midfielder in france at the time djembe djembe, again he failed

he signed a world cup winner kleberson, again failed.

he signed Anderson, the best young midfielder in Europe, had one excellent season but was too inconsistent then

he signed liam miller flopped

owen hargreves too injury prone in the end and wouldn't play

Michael carrick...huge success

to say he never addressed midfield is a false statement

If you look at those midfield signings youve mentioned there they were all bought before 2010 were i think our real problems started with scholes gettiing older and couldnt keep up his amazing form all the time.

Fergie made the baffling decision to let pogba go and go for free, i think as much pogbas agent was being a nuisance,he could of been kept if he was ever been giving the chance to see. I think bringing scholes back was a mistake as well it was great as a stop gap but not replacing him led to the midfield problems we have had.

bangkok · 23-01-2015 10:50AM

the whole pogba thing, how many players did fergie let go during his career and he was proven right? Pogba was a free player at the end of season and it just happens he went on to become an excellent player. I don't get why fans keep saying fergie made a mess of it, pogbas agent turned his head, united offered him a contract and he refused. that's football

The Moldy Gowl · 23-01-2015 10:56AM

bangkok wrote: »

the whole pogba thing, how many players did fergie let go during his career and he was proven right? Pogba was a free player at the end of season and it just happens he went on to become an excellent player. I don't get why fans keep saying fergie made a mess of it, pogbas agent turned his head, united offered him a contract and he refused. that's football

Of all the youth players he left go over the years, probably only 3/4 actually became very good players, or up to the standard to play for utd.

Rossi, pique, pogba. With pogba being the only world class player.

Any more we left go that we rue?

bangkok · 23-01-2015 11:05AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Of all the youth players he left go over the years, probably only 3/4 actually became very good players, or up to the standard to play for utd.

Rossi, pique, pogba. With pogba being the only world class player.

Any more we left go that we rue?

pique got homesick, that was his reason for going, rossi didn't cut it at all, 2 loan spells iirc at Newcastle and parma and he was poor and pogba left on the free

sReq | uTeK · 23-01-2015 11:06AM

bangkok wrote: »

are you having a laugh?!

Not at all, it's an opinion obviously, one that probably is not shared but it has stunted the growth of our team, in a big way, we've lost wellbeck who I'd have rather kept as he's 23 a proven big game player and all he had to do was work on his finishing and he would have been unreal for 6-7 years to come. Wellbeck with Wenger will just come on leaps and bounds. I remember a young Henry who joined from Juventus as a winger who wasn't the best finisher.... he turned out alright.

Due to RVP signing Rooney who was up top the previous two seasons and banging in goals was dropped to 10 and Kagawa benched, never really got an opportunity to shine.

Its just an opinion but I think our shape and dynamic has never been worse since he's signed. Not only that but I think the synergy between Rooney and RVP is non existent.

sReq | uTeK · 23-01-2015 11:09AM

bangkok wrote: »

the whole pogba thing, how many players did fergie let go during his career and he was proven right? Pogba was a free player at the end of season and it just happens he went on to become an excellent player. I don't get why fans keep saying fergie made a mess of it, pogbas agent turned his head, united offered him a contract and he refused. that's football

But he didn't refuse on the grounds of money, he refused because as I said he felt that other players were ahead of him in the pecking order and he wasn't getting any game time. It's a fairly okay thing to do in my book. If i was on the bench and a natural midfielder and i was being overlooked for Raf and Park in the centre I'd have fairly left quickly too.

He didn't make a mess of the transfer at all, he made a mess of the entire situation and pretty much forced his hand.

The Moldy Gowl · 23-01-2015 11:10AM

Yeah. Welbeck has just been shredding it up over at arsenal.

Mitch Connor · 23-01-2015 11:12AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Yeah. Welbeck has just been shredding it up over at arsenal.

would have prefered him up front with Di maria in midfield if LVG is going to use ADM up top just cause he has pace.

Said at the the time, and still think now, selling Danny was a mistake. He offered a style of play that Rooney, Falcao and RVP can't.

bangkok · 23-01-2015 11:12AM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Not at all, it's an opinion obviously, one that probably is not shared but it has stunted the growth of our team, in a big way, we've lost wellbeck who I'd have rather kept as he's 23 a proven big game player and all he had to do was work on his finishing and he would have been unreal for 6-7 years to come. Wellbeck with Wenger will just come on leaps and bounds. I remember a young Henry who joined from Juventus as a winger who wasn't the best finisher.... he turned out alright.

Due to RVP signing Rooney who was up top the previous two seasons and banging in goals was dropped to 10 and Kagawa benched, never really got an opportunity to shine.

Its just an opinion but I think our shape and dynamic has never been worse since he's signed. Not only that but I think the synergy between Rooney and RVP is non existent.

first part highlighted....Im a big fan of welbeck but no way would will he be unreal. He will be a squad player at most at arsenal

Henry was already class when he joined arsenal, he was a world cup winner already, he just became legendary player in england

sReq | uTeK · 23-01-2015 11:14AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Yeah. Welbeck has just been shredding it up over at arsenal.

He's played well for Arsenal, IMO, especially when you factor in the fact that he's at a new club with a new way of playing with new players as apposed a club he's been at for 15 years in united.. he's been better for Arsenal than RVP has been for us this season. For the first 3 months RVP may as well not have been on the pitch.

All I'm getting at is that I'd have rather kept wellbeck, have Rooney up top and spent the money that we paid for RVP on a proven quality centre back or 2. Our team would be in a much better place now instead of purchasing fire power after fire power without addressing the spine of the team.

Maximus Alexander · 23-01-2015 11:23AM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Cantona is a f*cking hero for kung fu kicking that scrote of a yoke. I mean, look at him, his face screams kick me!!!

Isn't it mad to think that everyone in that photo is probably dead by now?

Mantis Toboggan · 23-01-2015 11:27AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Isn't it mad to think that everyone in that photo is probably dead by now?

It is a bit mad sure it was only 20 years ago

The Moldy Gowl · 23-01-2015 11:27AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Isn't it mad to think that everyone in that photo is probably dead by now?

It's only been 20 years. Not 70. They look about 30 or 40.

I'll give you something else to think about especially if you are single and not married.
The person you are meant to marry is out there now creating creating memories and experiences that she will tell you about in years to come.

Good ol r/showerthoughts

adox · 23-01-2015 11:27AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Isn't it mad to think that everyone in that photo is probably dead by now?

What???

Maximus Alexander · 23-01-2015 11:28AM

I dunno, just seems to be something people say when they look at old photographs.

The Moldy Gowl · 23-01-2015 11:28AM

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

He's played well for Arsenal, IMO, especially when you factor in the fact that he's at a new club with a new way of playing with new players as apposed a club he's been at for 15 years in united.. he's been better for Arsenal than RVP has been for us this season. For the first 3 months RVP may as well not have been on the pitch.

All I'm getting at is that I'd have rather kept wellbeck, have Rooney up top and spent the money that we paid for RVP on a proven quality centre back or 2. Our team would be in a much better place now instead of purchasing fire power after fire power without addressing the spine of the team.

He has been playing the same way he played for us. Grand. Missed a few chances. Just the usual Welbeck.

I'm a big meh on him leaving. He wanted out.

The Moldy Gowl · 23-01-2015 11:29AM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I dunno, just seems to be something people say when they look at old photographs.

Go back to bed grandpa.

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