Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

homerjay2005 · 22-01-2015 05:52PM

astradave wrote: »

Actually read this last week, a decent read, but as you say, how long will it last with the way we are moving in the transfer market.
3724 matches is an unbelievable record

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-opinion-mufc-academy-8438931

the media will have a field day if/when it happens. sure they were saying that LVG ripped the heart out of the club already yet he still was putting out the likes of Jones, Smalling, Mcnair and Blackett.

22-01-2015 06:29PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I can't agree with that mentality.

Just because Moyes was a failure doesn't mean LVG can't be a failure as well.

This season justifies the impossible job Moyes had. The mentality of the club is rotten from top to bottom and 2 managers and a multitude of tactics and personnel haven't changed that. It's time to impart a style of play with their own players that's needed and wasn't provided to Moyes and will hopefully be given to LVG.

Mongo · 22-01-2015 06:41PM

Smalling and Evans are out of the cup tie. Even though I can see LVG playing 3 at the back again with McNair possibly playing it would be great to see Rojo and Jones playing as a CB pairing. I believe they are our two best defenders. Shaw and Raf making up the back 4.

adox · 22-01-2015 06:43PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Don't think we'll get top 4 if we stick with the same formation, Van Gaal would only have himself to blame and he would surely be let go at the end of the season

Criminal not getting top 4 with the squad we have

I'd say the chances of Van Gaal not being in charge of Utd next season are extremely small.

It's not the way the club should go either. Sure the days of Fergie and Wenger type reigns are long gone but the position shouldn't be a revolving door either.

tvercetti · 22-01-2015 06:46PM

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Young 22 year old Greek defender papadopolous could be a good investment rather than chasing hummels.

If we got solid defenders I would be happy tbh no need to break bank imo

He looked the business a few years ago but injuries plagued him for his last 2 seasons at Schalke. He was let go on loan this season with Leverkusen but don't think he has played a whole lot. Probably not the type of signing needed at this moment in time.

Robson99 · 22-01-2015 06:50PM

Liam O wrote: »

I'm one of the biggest Moyes apologists but getting rid of LVG after one season no matter how badly he has or will do would be far a far worse decision after seeing what sacking Moyes and spunking a bunch of cash expecting immediate results has achieved. I suppose it'd buy Valencia another 2 or 3 years in the team though :rolleyes:

Cant understand all the anti Valencia stuff . He had played well this season. Defensively he has been solid. We have bigger problems in the team. Centre halves and middle of the park are of much greater concern

Blatter · 22-01-2015 06:52PM

Liam O wrote: »

This season justifies the impossible job Moyes had. The mentality of the club is rotten from top to bottom and 2 managers and a multitude of tactics and personnel haven't changed that. It's time to impart a style of play with their own players that's needed and wasn't provided to Moyes and will hopefully be given to LVG.

Nah don't agree. If Mourinho had come in after Fergie I've no doubt we'd have challenged last season and would be incredibly formidable this season.

The club really screwed up with the Moyes appointment. It really did set us back.

mewe · 22-01-2015 07:00PM

Not getting Mourinho after Fergie was a big fcuk up. It was so ridiculous appointing Moyes with the level of experience he had. I wasn't happy with the decision but tried to buy into the clubs logic at the time and give him a chance but it looks so much more stupid after the fact lookin back now.

IamtheWalrus · 22-01-2015 07:07PM

20 years since Eric kicked the Palace fan. 20 :eek:

BBC 5Live has a piece on it at 7.30.

IamtheWalrus · 22-01-2015 07:08PM

mewe wrote: »

Not getting Mourinho after Fergie was a big fcuk up. It was so ridiculous appointing Moyes with the level of experience he had. I wasn't happy with the decision but tried to buy into the clubs logic at the time and give him a chance but it looks so much more stupid after the fact lookin back now.

I think whomever came in would have struggled. Post Fergie was always going to be tough.

Mantis Toboggan · 22-01-2015 07:24PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Cant understand all the anti Valencia stuff . He had played well this season. Defensively he has been solid. We have bigger problems in the team. Centre halves and middle of the park are of much greater concern

It's fashionable to criticize Valencia don't cha know! All the cool kids do it.

Pro. F · 22-01-2015 07:32PM

Liam O wrote: »

This season justifies the impossible job Moyes had. The mentality of the club is rotten from top to bottom and 2 managers and a multitude of tactics and personnel haven't changed that. It's time to impart a style of play with their own players that's needed and wasn't provided to Moyes and will hopefully be given to LVG.

Moyes was given time and money to buy in his own players, it's not like the manager should be allowed to replace the whole team. If a manager can't impart an effective style with three quarters of a season and serious money spent then they have failed the test. I'm not talking about demanding league winning form by the end of the first season, just an effective style of football even if the results are patchy.

If LVG continues on like Moyes as he has being doing, then the only reason I would keep him at the end of the season would be because of a lack of alternatives.

mewe · 22-01-2015 07:39PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I think whomever came in would have struggled. Post Fergie was always going to be tough.

I disagree. Mourinho would have done a much better job. His level of experience far exceeded Moyes and he was a much more suitable candidate.

Trond · 22-01-2015 07:40PM

Its a different mind set from LVG compared to Moyes. Remember what Moyes said before the home match against Newcastle last season?

Lord TSC · 22-01-2015 07:50PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I think whomever came in would have struggled. Post Fergie was always going to be tough.

I agree, but not to the extent Moyes did. I reckon where LVG is right now is where we probably would have been post Fergie (namely, battling for CL spots). But no matter how poor LVG or anyone else does, despite the revisionism, it doesn't change how bad Moyes did....

Mars Bar · 22-01-2015 07:50PM

Now this is surprising!

https://twitter.com/FutbolFinn/status/558341805109178369

skinny90 · 22-01-2015 07:50PM

Any truth behind De Gea apparently agreeing on leave terms or can I sleep tonight

http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/21/manchester-uniteds-david-de-gea-agrees-terms-on-real-madrid-transfer-5031229/

Lord TSC · 22-01-2015 07:56PM

skinny90 wrote: »

Any truth behind De Gea apparently agreeing on leave terms or can I sleep tonight
http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/21/manchester-uniteds-david-de-gea-agrees-terms-on-real-madrid-transfer-5031229/

Without even clicking the link, going off the source, I'm going to say no....

Whatsisname · 22-01-2015 07:57PM

skinny90 wrote: »

Any truth behind De Gea apparently agreeing on leave terms or can I sleep tonight
http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/21/manchester-uniteds-david-de-gea-agrees-terms-on-real-madrid-transfer-5031229/

You can sleep easy, the metro is full of class A shít

22-01-2015 07:59PM

thelad95 wrote: »

If we play 3-5-2 against a side in mid-table 3 divisions below us, you've got to seriously question where Van Gaals head is at. Our defenders have looked like they've lacked confidence but their playing under a manager who has ZERO faith in them even against mediocre and poor opposition.

bangkok wrote: »

yea if he starts a back 3 tomorrow night serious questions need to be asked about where he is taking the team.

I dread the sight of 3 at the back as well lads and would love a run of 4-x-x to be implemented. However if LVG goes the 3-5-2 route vs Cambridge I wouldn't look at it as him fearing the lower league opposition, but maybe he will use this game to try and progress the 3-5-2 further within the team.

I'd love as much as anyone to see a conventional 4 at the back in place from the first minute of tomoirrow night's game, but if LVG is for some reason determined to persevere with the 3, it will be games like those v Cambridge where he'll be looking for his players to master it.

Tomorrow night, personally I'd be happy to stop seeing him play Di Maria up front and Rooney in CM for a start. Just because we use 3-5-2 doesn't mean we have to play all of our best players in their least effective positions.

The Moldy Gowl · 22-01-2015 08:02PM

You know it's legit when they have "agrees".

It's just click bait.

Vic Vinegar · 22-01-2015 08:08PM

stankratz wrote: »

I dread the sight of 3 at the back as well lads and would love a run of 4-x-x to be implemented. However if LVG goes the 3-5-2 route vs Cambridge I wouldn't look at it as him fearing the lower league opposition, but maybe he will use this game to try and progress the 3-5-2 further within the team.

I'd love as much as anyone to see a conventional 4 at the back in place from the first minute of tomoirrow night's game, but if LVG is for some reason determined to persevere with the 3, it will be games like those v Cambridge where he'll be looking for his players to master it.

Tomorrow night, personally I'd be happy to stop seeing him play Di Maria up front and Rooney in CM for a start. Just because we use 3-5-2 doesn't mean we have to play all of our best players in their least effective positions.

Also, it's been mentioned about Cambridge's height, LvG could be expecting a bit of an aerial bombardment, playing three cbs would help counter that somewhat.

The Moldy Gowl · 22-01-2015 08:25PM

Will Luke Chadwick be playing tomorrow?

RobertKK · 22-01-2015 08:43PM

https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/558339708460470273
https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/558361446921564160
https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/558357643006586880
https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/558258627321286656

From the goodness of Falcao, to the rumours around De Gea to the manager of Pogba.

RobertKK · 22-01-2015 09:07PM

Talk of Fletcher moving to Valencia.

22-01-2015 09:08PM

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Also, it's been mentioned about Cambridge's height, LvG could be expecting a bit of an aerial bombardment, playing three cbs would help counter that somewhat.

Could signal a start for Fellaini.

Deiseboy01 · 22-01-2015 09:09PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Short term thinking. One title is not as important as sustainable succes.

Yes it did. We do not have infinite money.

Madrid are the prime example of how you can waste money by being overly concerned with big name signings. If United follow the Madrid model the operation will go bust within a decade.

To answer your points in order.

Not short term at all, its about the legacy, the aura of the club. Success breeds success. Twenty million was cheap at the price.

It had no impact on future or possible signings. The past two yrs have proved that. The fact is Fergie and club seniors such as Gill felt we had an adequate squad at the time so signings were not being made.

Its not about big name, its about buying better quality than you have. Madrid never baulk at that, neither should we.

keeponhurling · 22-01-2015 09:24PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

apart from Wilson, i cant see any of the current crop making a big impact on the first team, Blackett and Mcnair could be gone pretty soon.

we are also only an injury or two away from having no England players in our starting line up, something that would have been unheard of in recent years especially seen as 6 English men started the CL win in 2008.

On McNair and Blackett, they have impressed me, given their age etc. would have thought they have good prospects.
They look more like Man Utd players that, say, Shaw for example.

On English/British players does it even matter ?

Of those in or around the first team, they've got Jones, Smalling, Blackett, Shaw, Young, Carrick, Rooney, Wilson, Cleverley, Powell, Zaha on loan, Welbeck was persevered with for years.

Not that it matters really

United are aiming for the best, and if you look at the English national team, there aren't many you would particularly want

Rayne Wooney · 22-01-2015 09:28PM

adox wrote: »

I'd say the chances of Van Gaal not being in charge of Utd next season are extremely small.

It's not the way the club should go either. Sure the days of Fergie and Wenger type reigns are long gone but the position shouldn't be a revolving door either.

Supporters audibly pushing for a formation change, if he sticks with the same awful football, which at times is worse than Moyesball, and misses out on top 4 I don't think he would survive the backlash

He doesn't think there's balance but we play better football, we create far more chances, score more, concede 1.2 goals per game compared to .8 with 3 at the back iirc, but the Leicester anomaly really effects that stat.

If he plays 433 and misses out on top 4 but does so playing good football with clear progress I think the fans could stomach it.

yabadabado · 22-01-2015 09:45PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

On McNair and Blackett, they have impressed me, given their age etc. would have thought they have good prospects.
They look more like Man Utd players that, say, Shaw for example.

On English/British players does it even matter ?

Of those in or around the first team, they've got Jones, Smalling, Blackett, Shaw, Young, Carrick, Rooney, Wilson, Cleverley, Powell, Zaha on loan, Welbeck was persevered with for years.

Not that it matters really

United are aiming for the best, and if you look at the English national team, there aren't many you would particularly want

What does that even mean ?

both are older than Shaw btw.

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