What salary are you on?

fg1406 · 21-01-2015 07:31PM

drumswan wrote: »

You could go and work somewhere else?

I'd love to but in case you haven't noticed there hasn't exactly been a plethora of jobs in ireland in the last 7 years. I've 2 applications pending for other jobs at the moment. Both in the region of €42k.

coolemon · 21-01-2015 07:39PM

Deagol wrote: »

For those young'uns who are feeling a bit down on how much they earn, be patient, work hard, the rewards will come!

Sounds like an "American Dream" /slash/ Ponzi scheme economics you are promoting there.

The rewards wont come for the vast majority of young'uns. They will slave on an ever decreasing wage base and compete with imported labour in a race to the bottom.

Degree's are the new leaving cert. For most graduates only good enough for a minimum wage spar job with their double masters degree bedsit dwelling Pakistani co-worker.

Permabear · 21-01-2015 07:59PM

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coolemon · 21-01-2015 08:11PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Some are lucky. I will grant you that.

However, embracing the kind of fatalism and negativity that you seem to espouse will not do anyone any good.

Its not fatalism, its reality.

Spend a year as a home help looking after the elderly and get a dose of it.

The scrap heap people are left on after a life of hard labour.

Easy to be optimistic when on €150,000+ a year though.

Tar.Aldarion · 21-01-2015 08:13PM

well I started as a grad 2 years ago, my second years earnings were near twice that of my starting base wage so can't complain. Review should be in a week or two. Am a bit late compared to some to be starting out though, late twenties.

Jack Nana · 21-01-2015 08:21PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

I'm not sure why you would think I'm scared. Problem is that I'm fussy.

I never said you were scared. I just said there is no need to be.....

Permabear · 21-01-2015 08:28PM

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m.j.w · 21-01-2015 08:34PM

Made 120k dollars last year so aroud 80k euros working as an electrician in oil sands in Canada. So much money to be made for trades here but with the price of oil the way it is at the minute it could get very slow.

coolemon · 21-01-2015 08:51PM

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Studies show generational class stability and the use of cultural, social and economic capital to maintain and guard class position and privilege. Attitude, like most other personal attributes, will be situational, and dependent on social disposition.

I have no doubt that your optimism did not spring from thin air or from your own merit alone.

What is your background Permabear? - because you seem to be out of touch with reality on that huge salary of yours.

The only optimism of the lower class is filling Paddy Powers bookies and scratch cards every welfare day. And most know nothing else. They are as clueless about derivatives trading as you are about them. And as you know, with bookies and scratch cards, the odds are stacked against the punter.

Tarzana2 · 21-01-2015 08:59PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Ahh, no, they are not.

PHD students, like everyone else, need to declare all income including that received from cash jobs.

I don't think the poster was saying you don't have to declare money from tutoring or part time work. More that even if you do, it's likely you won't pay any tax on it as it won't be a high enough amount, even for USC probably. They meant the stipend isn't counted at all towards taxable income, which is true. Someone might earn enough on top of that to come into the charge to tax, but it's unlikely considering how much PhD-related work a student has to do, usually more than 40 hours a week in total.

Tarzana2 · 21-01-2015 09:02PM

Permabear wrote: »

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And some people who work smart still see don't the rewards.

moc moc a moc · 21-01-2015 09:31PM

Tarzana2 wrote: »

And some people who work smart still see don't the rewards.

Not working that smart then, are they.

littlevillage wrote: »

Its a bit like asking your lover, how many previous lovers they have had ?

Hopefully not more than 30,000 to 35,000 per year :eek:

Tarzana2 · 21-01-2015 09:42PM

moc moc a moc wrote: »

Not working that smart then, are they.

If you like.

Sugar Free · 21-01-2015 09:45PM

It may have been said already but why are these threads concerned only with salary? Pension contributions, bonus %, health insurance etc. are all value adds to a role.

Various benefits add almost 30% onto the value of my salary. Any future roles I will consider will be based on the combination of salary and benefits, not just what my net pay will be each month.

Permabear · 21-01-2015 10:23PM

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Gits_bone · 21-01-2015 10:33PM

Most jobs you need to switch every couple of years to maximise wage increase also.

CarpeDiem85 · 21-01-2015 10:36PM

I'm on €42,000 at the minute. I'm thinking of going to the Middle East for a few years where I could double my salary, tax free and not have to pay rent either. It would set me up for life. I'm very lucky that I can take a career break and return to my position in 4 years time if I wanted to.

Senecio · 21-01-2015 10:48PM

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coolemon · 21-01-2015 10:59PM

Permabear wrote: »

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You believe this guff?

You are promoting a Ponzi scheme. Even if everyone were as optimistic as you are they will never get the 150,000 you are on, or anything near it.

It is not a "self fulfilling prophesy". Its a structural and systemic "prophesy" which socialises and positions people to fulfil certain social roles and labour - irrespective of what they think or want.

Funnily enough, most lower class people think like you do and justify the status quo. They are as optimistic as well, but in a clueless way.

If only they saw the Ponzi scheme for what it was. If they did, they would question the deep rooted privilege and the self entitlement of the wealthy.

doc11 · 21-01-2015 10:59PM

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What were your parents? I hear this alot but by middle class you mean professionals and if your parents were teachers,gards etc your ahead financially of the vast majority of people in disadvantaged Donegal(a relative silver spoon). Realistically it's not the middle class children that struggle with lack of expectations it's those parents in low skilled low pay/social welfare dependent that lack money to allow their children to have the ability to travel to expensive colleges in cities, who didn't receive private grinds at school and don't have the family status/financial ability to do unpaid internship with daddys accountant etc.

A middle class child heading to college is not an achievement by any stretch of the imagination. And degrees for the most part now are financially rather then academically dependent. UCD Smurfit main qualification/barrier to entry is do you have 15k. If you can pass one degree you can pass them all(no one fails postgrads).

coolemon · 21-01-2015 11:07PM

doc11 wrote: »

What were your parents? I hear this alot but by middle class you mean professionals and if your parents were teachers,gards etc your ahead financially of the vast majority of people in disadvantaged Donegal(a relative silver spoon). Realistically it's not the middle class children that struggle with lack of expectations it those parents in low skilled low pay/social welfare dependent that lack money to allow their children to have the ability to travel to expensive colleges in cities, who didn't receive private grinds at school and don't have to family status/financial ability to do unpaid internship with daddys accountant etc.

A middle class child heading to college is not an achievement by any stretch of the imagination. And degrees for the most part now are financially rather then academically dependent. UCD Smurfit main qualification/barrier to entry is do you have 15k. If you can pass one degree you can pass them all(no one fails postgrads).

Cultural and social capital are crucial too. It shapes aspirations, taste, accent, appearance. It is knowledge of what choices to make in order to pursue a particular path. It is cognitive ability in Maths. It is motivation. It is a deeply rooted social condition and placement.

Money is just one aspect securing social position.

coolemon · 21-01-2015 11:21PM

Learning to Labour: How working class kids get working class jobs

http://www.uky.edu/~tmute2/geography_methods/readingPDFs/willis.pdf

animum · 21-01-2015 11:23PM

I am baffled at some of the comments in relation to the social classes and ambitions and abilities.

I came from a very poor background, born out of a laundry, father alcoholic and violent, mother left, corporation housing estate...
I went through my phase of city accents, trouble with the guards etc... but that's teenage years.
me and my siblings all have very good jobs, college degrees, and my brother his own business..
my mom works minimum wage at 53 and I don't see my father.

watching my mom get up to work at 5am in her fifties, is inspiration for me to break the cycle...

money helps, but with the right mindset anyone can achieve anything..
lower income classes do not need to stay in lower income jobs...and those in disadvantaged areas, have alot more support from the government and the school, because they know the parents can't pay for it...no excuses..

not telling your children they can be anything they want is bad parenting, not a result of being broke.

that's my thoughts on it

Gongoozler · 21-01-2015 11:26PM

Jack Nana wrote: »

I never said you were scared. I just said there is no need to be.....

Well in that case, no need to be so aggressive

doc11 · 21-01-2015 11:30PM

coolemon wrote: »

Cultural and social capital are crucial too. It shapes aspirations, taste, accent, appearance. It is knowledge of what choices to make in order to pursue a particular path. It is cognitive ability in Maths. It is motivation. It is a deeply rooted social condition and placement.

Money is just one aspect securing social position.

Yeah, how many sons of guards become guards, teachers becomes teachers and doctors become doctors etc. Cultural, nepotism and financial ability all play apart of getting ahead. The guards will put a word in for his son, same with the principles son, while the doctors son will receive the best private education/grinds and head to eastern Europe/expensive post grads when that fails(at daddys expense).

Even in my time UCD commerce like many other professional courses made new students buy specifically expensive laptops,which was a major barrier to entry for the disadvantaged from the country going there. There's little point reaching for the stars if Daddy can't afford the spaceship.

Jack Nana · 21-01-2015 11:37PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

Well in that case, no need to be so aggressive

It would be interesting if you could outline where you think I was aggressive - this may explain your timidity in seeking other employment with better remuneration and prospects.

purplecow1977 · 21-01-2015 11:39PM

Don't these threads make a regular appearance?
My finances are my own business.
It is rude to ask how much someone earns.
The internet isn't as anonymous as you think!
I make enough, for the moment. But I don't have any loans,mortgage or children at the moment. I'm earning less now than when I started in the same job 8 years ago but I gauge the work load has increased a fair bit!

coolemon · 21-01-2015 11:39PM

animum wrote: »

I am baffled at some of the comments in relation to the social classes and ambitions and abilities.

I came from a very poor background, born out of a laundry, father alcoholic and violent, mother left, corporation housing estate...
I went through my phase of city accents, trouble with the guards etc... but that's teenage years.
me and my siblings all have very good jobs, college degrees, and my brother his own business..
my mom works minimum wage at 53 and I don't see my father.

watching my mom get up to work at 5am in her fifties, is inspiration for me to break the cycle...

money helps, but with the right mindset anyone can achieve anything..
lower income classes do not need to stay in lower income jobs...and those in disadvantaged areas, have alot more support from the government and the school, because they know the parents can't pay for it...no excuses..

not telling your children they can be anything they want is bad parenting, not a result of being broke.

that's my thoughts on it

That's all fine and dandy.

But how do the statistics fare with what you have said?

The ones where, say, 99% of people from Dublin 6 go to 3rd level vs 11% in Ballyfermot. Or the ones where 1% of those from single parent families go on to third level.

You are an exception, and exceptions don't make the rule.

purplecow1977 · 21-01-2015 11:40PM

Are polls not visible on tablets? I can't see one anyway

coolemon · 21-01-2015 11:43PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Its well understood that people are prepared for social roles.

http://www.pasadena.edu/files/syllabi/mihogan_20068.pdf

Your particular disposition might have equipped you to pursue other non-farming paths. Indeed we know that farmers have the highest percentage of children going to third level.

What salary are you on?

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