What salary are you on?

redappple · 21-01-2015 12:46PM

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

A paltry 16k a year. PhD stipend. They like to keep you broke so you don't have any money to have fun so you work all the time instead. I'm so poor .

Stick with it. I've finished 4 year PhD and was on same money as you. If you are really struggling for money do tutorials - they are tax free.

I'm now in my first proper perm job after years and years of education and don't want to give specific salary but it's above €60k - not too bad for 26 - so the PhD pays off!

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 21-01-2015 12:55PM

neil_hosey wrote: »

you pay next to nothing tax on that though, and any additional income (doing labs or tutoring) made has very low tax as that 16k doesnt count towards taxable income.

True. But I do work at least 55 hours a week so it kinda balances out. And redapple do you mind me asking what field you did yours in? I'm science related.

Mrs OBumble · 21-01-2015 01:24PM

redappple wrote: »

Stick with it. I've finished 4 year PhD and was on same money as you. If you are really struggling for money do tutorials - they are tax free.

Ahh, no, they are not.

PHD students, like everyone else, need to declare all income including that received from cash jobs.

Every so often, we hear about Revenue particularly targetting people advertising on noticeboards in colleges and the like. They don't do this just for fun.

redappple · 21-01-2015 01:31PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Ahh, no, they are not.

PHD students, like everyone else, need to declare all income including that received from cash jobs.

Every so often, we hear about Revenue particularly targetting people advertising on noticeboards in colleges and the like. They don't do this just for fun.

Tutorials aren't cash jobs like grinds would be though. If you do tutorials, you get paid through the university payroll and you technically pay tax but as a full time PhD student you sign a tax waiver and are eligible to claim all that tax back. That's how it works in UCD anyway I don't know about any other Universities.

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 21-01-2015 01:39PM

redappple wrote: »

Tutorials aren't cash jobs like grinds would be though. If you do tutorials, you get paid through the university payroll and you technically pay tax but as a full time PhD student you sign a tax waiver and are eligible to claim all that tax back. That's how it works in UCD anyway I don't know about any other Universities.

The 16k stipend is tax exempt, so your earnings from tutorials are taken alone. So say I earn 2000 a year from tutorials, essentially that 2000 is deemed my only income and so is tax free as my tax credit covers my entire income. At least I think that's it.

Glinda · 21-01-2015 01:49PM

It would be interesting to see what stage people are at in their working life and the effect this has on salary.

For example, working on a low or modest wage for a few years when you are 'starting out' (say, within six or seven years of leaving school or college or a career change) can be an investment in your future. It's not the same as being on a low wage in the middle, more established phase of your career, which is a negative in my view and could be very depressing depending on the work.

I have found that Irish people can sometimes be ashamed of the amount they earn instead of being proud of themselves for taking a long view and being prepared to 'work their way up' to what they want.

We are always a bit fond of instant gratification here, wages are no different.

Deagol · 21-01-2015 02:04PM

Glinda wrote: »

It would be interesting to see what stage people are at in their working life and the effect this has on salary.

For example, working on a low or modest wage for a few years when you are 'starting out' (say, within six or seven years of leaving school or college or a career change) can be an investment in your future. It's not the same as being on a low wage in the middle, more established phase of your career, which is a negative in my view and could be very depressing depending on the work.

I have found that Irish people can sometimes be ashamed of the amount they earn instead of being proud of themselves for taking a long view and being prepared to 'work their way up' to what they want.

We are always a bit fond of instant gratification here, wages are no different.

I agree.

I started in my current company 23 years ago. Starting wage was £67 p/w (gross). Dole payment for single person then was ~£44 a week for comparison.

I now earn a base of €50k and another €30k in overtime (I work in 'special locations').

I don't have a 3rd level qualification, all hard work, experience and a bit of luck.

When I was in a position where I was hiring people, it never ceased to amaze me that we'd get freshly 'qualified' kids in from University / college and they'd be bitterly disappointed not to be offered the same wage as much more experienced people purely based on what 'friends' had told them they 'should' be paid. It didn't seem to occur to them that qualifications of any type need to be backed up with experience.

For those young'uns who are feeling a bit down on how much they earn, be patient, work hard, the rewards will come!

redappple · 21-01-2015 02:17PM

TBH I think salary/profession is - in part - indicative of luck as opposed to 'hard work'.

I truly believe a lot of people do work really hard, and they just didn't get the break that others did. I don't think it's fair when people say "I'm entitled to my salary because I work hard". Loads of people work hard.

Permabear · 21-01-2015 02:25PM

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Deagol · 21-01-2015 02:30PM

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Oh lord, you must be 'management'....

Permabear · 21-01-2015 02:39PM

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Deagol · 21-01-2015 02:43PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Can you make it clear whether you mean sleeping with the boss is included in the working smarter? Seems to be the way some people decide to make their way in life

Gits_bone · 21-01-2015 02:48PM

Location also comes into play. Someone in Dublin will earn more for exact same job as someone in the country.

Permabear · 21-01-2015 03:15PM

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Gongoozler · 21-01-2015 03:16PM

Not in the public sector you don't.

And on the life stage, I'm 31 and have been working since 16. I was on more money on work experience in college than I am now.

doc11 · 21-01-2015 04:09PM

maxwell smart wrote: »

Would be interesting to see what people nett after tax from the above.

Can be a very wide variation.

One of the people working for me earns approx 45k
Another one earns approx €36k

The person on €36k takes slightly more money home each month!

Not going into details but various allowances, BIK etc. come into play.

And yet another staff member on €28k who left in December was better off on the dole!!!

Impossible, a person on 45k can't take home less then someone on 36k. Are you counting discretionary pensions contributions? OR is a person on 36k receiving 10k in allowances?

28k can't equal the dole, most of that is untaxed and the dole is only 9.5k, you'd need to have massive travel expenses

Jack Nana · 21-01-2015 04:17PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

Not in the public sector you don't.

And on the life stage, I'm 31 and have been working since 16. I was on more money on work experience in college than I am now.

Then leave - the choice is yours ultimately.

krissovo · 21-01-2015 04:22PM

The key to high salary is a specialized and in demand skill set, the fewer the people who can do the job the more that job pays.

Also worth noting is that the further I am progressing in my career, I am earning a lot more money and working much less "harder" than I did 5 years ago. Other benefits kick in like flexible working conditions and large car allowances.

fg1406 · 21-01-2015 04:27PM

I'm on €33k after 10 years in public sector. I'm a graduate doing work where I'm qualified, it's just the pay sucks down at the low end and there has been zero promotions or scope to advance my career since 2007.

Gongoozler · 21-01-2015 04:29PM

Jack Nana wrote: »

Then leave - the choice is yours ultimately.

Can I? :eek: I didn't realise!

21-01-2015 04:31PM

I'm in the under 35k bracket. My gross pay is roughly half what it was two years ago now. Choice I made though.

Jack Nana · 21-01-2015 04:48PM

Gongoozler wrote: »

Can I? :eek: I didn't realise!

Yeah. It's fairly easy too....nothing to be too scared of.

drumswan · 21-01-2015 04:59PM

fg1406 wrote: »

I'm on €33k after 10 years in public sector. I'm a graduate doing work where I'm qualified, it's just the pay sucks down at the low end and there has been zero promotions or scope to advance my career since 2007.

You could go and work somewhere else?

Naked Lepper · 21-01-2015 05:04PM

Journee Flabby Nectarine wrote: »

I'm in the under 35k bracket. My gross pay is roughly half what it was two years ago now. Choice I made though.

why would you make that choice out of interest?

Mrs OBumble · 21-01-2015 05:07PM

doc11 wrote: »

Impossible, a person on 45k can't take home less then someone on 36k. Are you counting discretionary pensions contributions? OR is a person on 36k receiving 10k in allowances?

28k can't equal the dole, most of that is untaxed and the dole is only 9.5k, you'd need to have massive travel expenses

Oh yes they can. Imagine the 45k person being single and perhaps owing back tax for previous years. And the 36k person being married-and-joint-assessed with a spouse who's not working, enough kids to qualify them for some FIS and in a job that gets a higher level of flat-rate expenses (eg RTE National Symphony Orchestra get over 2k) and has been renting since 2010.

And 28k can easily equal the dole when you add in the effect of Rent Allowance and allocations for spouse and children.

Comparing net pay is pretty meaningless.

Gits_bone · 21-01-2015 05:10PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Oh yes they can. Imagine the 45k person being single and perhaps owing back tax for previous years. And the 36k person being married-and-joint-assessed with a spouse who's not working, enough kids to qualify them for some FIS and in a job that gets a higher level of flat-rate expenses (eg RTE National Symphony Orchestra get over 2k) and has been renting since 2010.

And 28k can easily equal the dole when you add in the effect of Rent Allowance and allocations for spouse and children.

Comparing net pay is pretty meaningless.

No way.

All those things you're talking about aren't what someone earns. That's where their money goes.

21-01-2015 05:19PM

Naked Lepper wrote: »

why would you make that choice out of interest?

Wasn't really happy in the job, lived a long way from my family, so decided to move back to Dublin. I competely moved to a new field so had to go on at the bottom. Working for a decent company now and there's potential to get back to and beyond where I was career-wise, will just take some time.

Gongoozler · 21-01-2015 06:52PM

Jack Nana wrote: »

Yeah. It's fairly easy too....nothing to be too scared of.

I'm not sure why you would think I'm scared. Problem is that I'm fussy.

coolemon · 21-01-2015 07:23PM

krissovo wrote: »

The key to high salary is a specialized and in demand skill set, the fewer the people who can do the job the more that job pays.

That's a very one dimensional way of looking at it.

Its more a case of occupying and protecting a social-labour position to the exclusion of others.

That's how, at the extreme end of things, the likes of the Russian Oligarchs emerged and continue to exist.

Luck, luck and more luck.

Every time I go to the social welfare office I see someone at the other side of the glass earning what to me is a good wage telling me I need to find work.

I'd take his job no problem if it were vacant.

coolemon · 21-01-2015 07:27PM

Permabear wrote: »

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And choices are limited by ones disposition.

Hard work and "making smarter choices" has little to do with it, since ones disposition will direct and limit the sort of choices one can make.

Just luck.

What salary are you on?

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