Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Nalz · 21-01-2015 11:26AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

My view is that other teams are starting to gel. Arsenal have certainly improved, Liverpool look much better than before and Southampton don't look like they are going away any time soon.

Spurs are just too inconsistent. That still leaves 4 batling for 2 spots (Cheleas & City taking the 1st two). Unless LVG gets some away form sorted out fairly sharpish I think we could well be losing out on 4th. Our current form does not indicate we have the ability to push on.

At the end of Feb we'll see the picture better, as our fixtures are nicer than others during that period.

A new CB and fitness of De Gea and other defenders will help immensely.

Sorry stating the obvious

adox · 21-01-2015 11:28AM

bangkok wrote: »

valdes good enough for barca for 10 years, but not good enough for united no1 for maybe a year or 2 if ge dea leaves :rolleyes:

Its not really that outrageous a claim as you are trying to make out.

Will I Amnt · 21-01-2015 11:30AM

adox wrote: »

Its not really that outrageous a claim as you are trying to make out.

Sure most people here wouldn't be too happy if Pique was the CB we are after.

IncognitoMan · 21-01-2015 11:45AM

With the way we are playing system wise right now Pique would be a very good addition. If were going to continue with the 352 then you need center backs who can move up and carry the ball and play passes into forward players. Pique has been doing this for years.

Although I do hope we are moving away from that system

Nalz · 21-01-2015 11:50AM

IncognitoMan wrote: »

With the way we are playing system wise right now Pique would be a very good addition. If were going to continue with the 352 then you need center backs who can move up and carry the ball and play passes into forward players. Pique has been doing this for years.

Although I do hope we are moving away from that system

He could afford to as once he laid it off Xavi Iniesta and co kept the ball for 14 hours

Pique will get shown up more in the PL imo.

He's good, but not great.

bangkok · 21-01-2015 11:51AM

Trilla wrote: »

He could afford to as once he laid it off Xavi Iniesta and co kept the ball for 14 hours

Pique will get shown up more in the PL imo.

He's good, but not great.

still an upgrade on any of our defenders

21-01-2015 12:00PM

TheDoc wrote: »

In all those cases though it was players moving to argueably a bigger club, or had been dispensed by their current club.

January is extremely difficult for a club like us to buy in January as your probably looking to entice a player away from another big club. Big teams arn't going to want to part with their first 11 players mid campaign.

Best bets are prying away players from smaller teams, or unearthing a gem.

Would be suprised if a household name arrived in the next 7 days. Suprised if anyone at all came tbh.

United thinking that they can only buy players from big teams. Fergie had his RVP and Hargreaves transfers but got the majority of his most successful transfers off 2nd, 3rd or even 4th level clubs and I think that's how you do it. The only reason you should buy from the Reals, Barcas and Bayerns is if they are offloading players for a good price. Going after the likes of Bale and Ronaldo is ok but not for every transfer. Even Real scoop up a lot of cheapies and loan back or have them around the squad for a few years.

Not every player signed has to be a 30m 25 year old. The transfer system at the club reeks of short term thinking and as Real have shown in the past that's not always the best way of doing things.

Nalz · 21-01-2015 12:09PM

bangkok wrote: »

still an upgrade on any of our defenders

you wanna go from windows 98 to windows 2000? or for double your money or less get windows 7 or equivalent Operating system with sexy fun time applications and minesweeper 2?

VW 1 · 21-01-2015 12:11PM

bangkok wrote: »

still an upgrade on any of our defenders

At what, defending or playing pretty football? If it's defending, Rojo says hello.

If we are to persist with this 3 at the back nonsense, the one thing we obviously lack is a ball playing CB. We end up with Jones Evans and Smalling knocking it sideways between them, or hoofing when at all pressured.

I'd be open to giving Carrick a go at the central role flanked by Jones and Rojo. He has the ability to pick a pass and carry the ball forward far better than any of our current options at CB. When we have the ball, he steps forward and becomes another CM. This in turn frees up a midfielder to actually support a wingback on the ball rather than leaving them isolated in a 2 on 1 when the ball goes wide.

Something like

Jones Carrick Rojo
Raf Shaw
Blind
Herrera ADM
Mata
Falcao

Will never see Rooney and RVP both out of the team, not Herrera included I fear. But this is the best players in the best positions for 3/5 at the back I feel.

bangkok · 21-01-2015 12:15PM

Trilla wrote: »

you wanna go from windows 98 to windows 2000? or for double your money or less get windows 7 or equivalent Operating system with sexy fun time applications and minesweeper 2?

anyway, not a hope of barca selling pique when they are already short at the back and they cannot buy players until 2016.

also, as I have said here many times, there are not many world class defenders out there. Its not like early 90's -2000's when there were an abundance of world class defenders, sadly they don't exist any more

Will I Amnt · 21-01-2015 12:15PM

Liam O wrote: »

United thinking that they can only buy players from big teams. Fergie had his RVP and Hargreaves transfers but got the majority of his most successful transfers off 2nd, 3rd or even 4th level clubs and I think that's how you do it. The only reason you should buy from the Reals, Barcas and Bayerns is if they are offloading players for a good price. Going after the likes of Bale and Ronaldo is ok but not for every transfer. Even Real scoop up a lot of cheapies and loan back or have them around the squad for a few years.

Not every player signed has to be a 30m 25 year old. The transfer system at the club reeks of short term thinking and as Real have shown in the past that's not always the best way of doing things.

I agree but United have paid the guts of 30m for players from Southampton, Bilbao and Everton in recent times. It's hard to get a good deal when everyone knows you have money and need players.

Giggsy11 · 21-01-2015 12:20PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I agree but United have paid the guts of 30m for players from Southampton, Bilbao and Everton in recent times. It's hard to get a good deal when everyone knows you have money and need players.

But paid only 14 Million and 16 Million for Blind and Rojo. You don't have to pay so much everytime if they know where to look for.

Buying from any team in PL means we have to pay more because all the teams have money and don't need to sell. Buying from teams like Athletico Bilbao means you have to pay more because they don't negotiate.

Will I Amnt · 21-01-2015 12:25PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

But paid only 14 Million and 16 Million for Blind and Rojo. You don't have to pay so much everytime if they know where to look for.

Buying from any team in PL means we have to pay more because all the teams have money and don't need to sell. Buying from teams like Athletico Bilbao means you have to pay more because they don't negotiate.

Suppose you're right there, I still think the fees paid over the last few transfer windows have put the dollar signs in the eyes of other clubs when they see United coming.

Giggsy11 · 21-01-2015 12:31PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Suppose you're right there, I still think the fees paid over the last few transfer windows have put the dollar signs in the eyes of other clubs when they see United coming.

Chelsea are loaded too but in last few seasons they have done excellent business.

Matic, Hazard, Zouma, Azpi, Fabregas, Costa are all signed at excellent prices.

Not that I'm complaining, just that we can sign players at good prices too if we look at right clubs.

bangkok · 21-01-2015 12:33PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

But paid only 14 Million and 16 Million for Blind and Rojo. You don't have to pay so much everytime if they know where to look for.

Buying from any team in PL means we have to pay more because all the teams have money and don't need to sell. Buying from teams like Athletico Bilbao means you have to pay more because they don't negotiate.

16m for rojo + paying nani wages in full for the year is another 6m...

Cantona's Collars · 21-01-2015 12:33PM

€80 million bid for Pogba??:eek:

http://www.lastampa.it/2015/01/21/sport/calcio/qui-juve/milioni-di-euro-dallo-united-inizia-lasta-per-pogba-JiTrxYNvFzdXa759qTCh8K/pagina.html

Giggsy11 · 21-01-2015 12:36PM

bangkok wrote: »

16m for rojo + paying nani wages in full for the year is another 6m...

Not sure whether to count like that, if so then Chelsea paid more than 40 Million for David Luiz which I don't think anyone would agree with.

bangkok · 21-01-2015 12:41PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Not sure whether to count like that, if so then Chelsea paid more than 40 Million for David Luiz which I don't think anyone would agree with.

explain?

Giggsy11 · 21-01-2015 12:44PM

bangkok wrote: »

explain?

Luiz was signed for around 23 Million plus Matic. Then Chelsea resigned Matic for 24M

The Moldy Gowl · 21-01-2015 12:46PM

bangkok wrote: »

16m for rojo + paying nani wages in full for the year is another 6m...

Why not add on wages to the transfers? They are part of the cost of the player as well.

Or do you just want to bash utd for sending nani on loan?

What about Chico or anyone else?

Cantona's Collars · 21-01-2015 12:54PM

Televised United games for March:

Newcastle v Manchester United - Wednesday, March 4, 7.45pm - (BT Sport)

Manchester United v Tottenham Hotspur - Sunday, March 15, 4pm - (Sky Sports)

Liverpool v Manchester United - Sunday, March 22 1.30pm - (Sky Sports)

bangkok · 21-01-2015 01:02PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Why not add on wages to the transfers? They are part of the cost of the player as well.

Or do you just want to bash utd for sending nani on loan?

What about Chico or anyone else?

I am adding it on, OP said rojo only cost 16m, I said he didn't he really cost 22m as we are paying nani wages in full

bangkok · 21-01-2015 01:04PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Luiz was signed for around 23 Million plus Matic. Then Chelsea resigned Matic for 24M

but at the time matic wasnt wanted by Chelsea and moved to benfica and was only worth 3m. Since that move he improved immensely and drove his transfer fee to 21m

The Moldy Gowl · 21-01-2015 01:09PM

bangkok wrote: »

I am adding it on, OP said rojo only cost 16m, I said he didn't he really cost 22m as we are paying nani wages in full

You're not. You are only adding in nanis wages. The only reason I can see you are doing this is to just bash.

What about rojos wages?
What about everyone else's wage?

Chico, cleverly, zaha, any youths we have on loan?

Why aren't you including Chico in with the di Maria money? Plus di Maria's wage?

Over the course of everyone's contracts they will cost more. You are just being very selective.

Giggsy11 · 21-01-2015 01:11PM

bangkok wrote: »

but at the time matic wasnt wanted by Chelsea and moved to benfica and was only worth 3m. Since that move he improved immensely and drove his transfer fee to 21m

But they lost player whom they signed later for 20 plus Million to sign David Luiz.

bangkok · 21-01-2015 01:12PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

You're not. You are only adding in nanis wages. The only reason I can see you are doing this is to just bash.

What about rojos wages?
What about everyone else's wage?

Chico, cleverly, zaha, any youths we have on loan?

Why aren't you including Chico in with the di Maria money? Plus di Maria's wage?

Over the course of everyone's contracts they will cost more. You are just being very selective.

we are not paying chico, cleverly or zahas wages though...

the reason we are paying nanis wages in full is because Rojo was part owned and sporting were receiving a small transfer fee, so to soften the blow united gave them nani, a player worth 10-15m + 6m a year in wages that they could never afford

The Moldy Gowl · 21-01-2015 01:18PM

bangkok wrote: »

we are not paying chico, cleverly or zahas wages though...

the reason we are paying nanis wages in full is because Rojo was part owned and sporting were receiving a small transfer fee, so to soften the blow united gave them nani, a player worth 10-15m + 6m a year in wages that they could never afford

And how do you know we aren't paying their wages? I haven't heard anything like that.

You wouldn't be spoofing now would you?

TheDoc · 21-01-2015 01:21PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I agree but United have paid the guts of 30m for players from Southampton, Bilbao and Everton in recent times. It's hard to get a good deal when everyone knows you have money and need players.

this is the big thing, long gone are the days of the 5m bargain when your United. When we come knocking now it's big bucks. Even more so now

People know we have money, people know we need strengthening.

Can't even remember the last time we got a sub 10m bargain. Ashley Young 20m+, De Gea was near 20m I think, 25m+ for Shaw, Herrera, Fellaini etc.

We even paid a big fee for Smalling and Jones, relatively unproven players with good potential, who we plucked from smaller clubs. Still cost us a bomb.

Strootman at 12m two summers ago would have constituted as a serious bargain. Instead we are inevitably going to end up paying 40m+. French paper was running this morning we have tabled a big of 61m for Pogba

15m is the new 5m for us I'm afraid.

The Moldy Gowl · 21-01-2015 01:26PM

Zaha being a prime example doc.

Should only be 5-7 even in today's market.

Leroy42 · 21-01-2015 01:31PM

The market is driven by the money in the game, not the worth of the player. The TV money keeps increasing, particularly in the last few years and thus the amount available for transfers goes up.

There are plenty are players which can be bought for little money, what did Coleman cost Everton, but you need to take a longer term view and be prepared to lose out on many of them as only a small amount will turn out to be capable at the top level.

Never pay any attention to the amounts paid. It's not my money, and in the end it is really just shovelling money around the same group. Real buy Bale, Spurs spunk 100m on other players. Barca sign Suarez and Liverpool do the same.

There is absolutely no point in even discussing transfer fees.

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